Nyx
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Post by Nyx on Nov 4, 2016 9:20:02 GMT
I think its the same for all classes. If someone dont need it (sorry for the term) they dont bother to search for it. Im a ninja and in boss killing especially that SK was released they are really in demand but opposite when it comes to grinding. My gladiator always gets PT in grinding but not in farming My Assassin gets Boss farm PT but rarely gets grind pt. Now SK has been released they dont even bother to ask me to use assassin. Thats the sad truth if someone cannot bring a much convenience for everyone they'll prefer the other one. For example a ninja SK who dealt high dmg in bosses and mobs being ignored in Grind because with SK or not theyre still non aoe. Same I think for Assassin and most especially for enchanters. it really sucks, I have always been enchanter, I love the class so much. But I'm always alone cause no one wants me. Very rarely will I come across a knowlagable person and I tank for a pt and have a blast doing it. Hell I'm a hybrid chanter, I can m blade spam, dps, support, tank, you name it. I've done my research on every class and knows how I should play for a certain pt. Example: Party: enchanter (me) pally, bish, and a monk. First think I would do is cast magic barrier on everyone, increasing are hp and def, then on the monk I would buff him or her with enchant wep and draw. This is where it gets fun, the pally would get ready and run at the boss and start fighting, all the while I'm spamming stone skin on the pally making him godlike (joke) all the while I'm also mp healing the bishop, monk, and pally. Also doing some support damage here ad there if needed. Needles to say I think the game would we so much fun if people took the time to learn about each class, and I know how they work. So I'd say subconsciously I'm angry at ninjas because in most cases they keep me from getting a pt. It just sucks always playing alone. That's why my eyes light up with joy when I come across a player that knows what's up... I won't hate ninja in genral anymore, but it's still not my style class xD #chanters4life (get that shît trending xD) Small suggestion, draw everyone not just the (it increases auto skill rate right? Everyone uses autoskills nowadays x)
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 4, 2016 16:36:53 GMT
it really sucks, I have always been enchanter, I love the class so much. But I'm always alone cause no one wants me. Very rarely will I come across a knowlagable person and I tank for a pt and have a blast doing it. Hell I'm a hybrid chanter, I can m blade spam, dps, support, tank, you name it. I've done my research on every class and knows how I should play for a certain pt. Example: Party: enchanter (me) pally, bish, and a monk. First think I would do is cast magic barrier on everyone, increasing are hp and def, then on the monk I would buff him or her with enchant wep and draw. This is where it gets fun, the pally would get ready and run at the boss and start fighting, all the while I'm spamming stone skin on the pally making him godlike (joke) all the while I'm also mp healing the bishop, monk, and pally. Also doing some support damage here ad there if needed. Needles to say I think the game would we so much fun if people took the time to learn about each class, and I know how they work. So I'd say subconsciously I'm angry at ninjas because in most cases they keep me from getting a pt. It just sucks always playing alone. That's why my eyes light up with joy when I come across a player that knows what's up... I won't hate ninja in genral anymore, but it's still not my style class xD #chanters4life (get that shît trending xD) Thats what most people lacks with. The knowledge and awareness about different classes. Sad to say people goes with Mainstream now. Dont lose hope and keep shouting for awareness. I used to be an enchanter not a pro but I know how the struggles are. Also its not just about enchanters. Its all about classes. I hate ninjas even I am one, well a personal reason only and doesnt affect my game. What I do is form a PT when I cant find but you cant avoid that sometimes if they see me that Im a ninja (non aoe) or an Assassin (non aoe and needs to poisition first) they leave and then afterwards they'll shout LFM Mins/Hw/Bish/Geo Sounds like they prefer easy kill well everyone does but trying other classes that has the same efficiency with the mainstream gang is fun. So in the end I'll solo. I agree with you! Enchanter for example (class I'm the most knowlagable about) they can dish insane damage without doing a thing. Say you pt with a ninja and buff enchant wep and draw. The damage will add up quote quickly xD or another good example which is a life saver. Let's say were fighting kaiser II what would I do? MANA BURN! XD with the right gear you can keep a boss in a infinite stun lock and boy is it sadisfying xD sure it's a support ability but god it helps against bosses like kaiser II :3
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 4, 2016 16:39:39 GMT
it really sucks, I have always been enchanter, I love the class so much. But I'm always alone cause no one wants me. Very rarely will I come across a knowlagable person and I tank for a pt and have a blast doing it. Hell I'm a hybrid chanter, I can m blade spam, dps, support, tank, you name it. I've done my research on every class and knows how I should play for a certain pt. Example: Party: enchanter (me) pally, bish, and a monk. First think I would do is cast magic barrier on everyone, increasing are hp and def, then on the monk I would buff him or her with enchant wep and draw. This is where it gets fun, the pally would get ready and run at the boss and start fighting, all the while I'm spamming stone skin on the pally making him godlike (joke) all the while I'm also mp healing the bishop, monk, and pally. Also doing some support damage here ad there if needed. Needles to say I think the game would we so much fun if people took the time to learn about each class, and I know how they work. So I'd say subconsciously I'm angry at ninjas because in most cases they keep me from getting a pt. It just sucks always playing alone. That's why my eyes light up with joy when I come across a player that knows what's up... I won't hate ninja in genral anymore, but it's still not my style class xD #chanters4life (get that shît trending xD) Small suggestion, draw everyone not just the (it increases auto skill rate right? Everyone uses autoskills nowadays x) That's true but let's be real, anyone but enchanter using auto skill sucks. No one can match enchanter at using auto skill. We have enchant wep, draw, and limit break (basically ignition for autoskill *^*)
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Post by Messiah on Nov 4, 2016 16:52:14 GMT
I really don't see the point in hating on a ninja.-. They are just another class..... I believe that the reason ppl hate ninjas is because they are the original source of sh and that is stained on all of them... And another is because ninjas solo we'll with pots and clones and noelw they have SK... Well suck it up e.e when HW got imp and zero did anyone have a reason to hate HW? No!... The I'm a samu... I have to wait 30 seconds to do 300k but I don't complain... I make up for that with my DPs... So just chill and let a ninja be a ninja... I mean auto atacking all the time is boring but time efficient... Well I said my piece....
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Post by Messiah on Nov 4, 2016 16:53:36 GMT
Small suggestion, draw everyone not just the (it increases auto skill rate right? Everyone uses autoskills nowadays x) That's true but let's be real, anyone but enchanter using auto skill sucks. No one can match enchanter at using auto skill. We have enchant wep, draw, and limit break (basically ignition for autoskill *^*) I beg to differ *-*)9...my samu is autoskill based... And doesn't suck
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Nov 5, 2016 1:48:07 GMT
I agree with you! Enchanter for example (class I'm the most knowlagable about) they can dish insane damage without doing a thing. Say you pt with a ninja and buff enchant wep and draw. The damage will add up quote quickly xD or another good example which is a life saver. Let's say were fighting kaiser II what would I do? MANA BURN! XD with the right gear you can keep a boss in a infinite stun lock and boy is it sadisfying xD sure it's a support ability but god it helps against bosses like kaiser II :3 I don't know about you, but my enchanter has about the same DPS as an Oath Pally.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Nov 5, 2016 2:01:00 GMT
I really don't see the point in hating on a ninja.-. They are just another class..... I believe that the reason ppl hate ninjas is because they are the original source of sh and that is stained on all of them... And another is because ninjas solo we'll with pots and clones and noelw they have SK... Well suck it up e.e when HW got imp and zero did anyone have a reason to hate HW? No!... The I'm a samu... I have to wait 30 seconds to do 300k but I don't complain... I make up for that with my DPs... So just chill and let a ninja be a ninja... I mean auto atacking all the time is boring but time efficient... Well I said my piece.... It's kinda like people hating on Americans or French, or Indo pps (idk about elsewhere) hating on Australians. The first 2 are what seem to be constant examples of arrogance and ignorance and the latter for the tourists that visit and show little respect to the people. If this is seen enough times, then this is very much the stereotype and the people as a whole must each prove themselves that they are above the goings within the stereotype that their people are labeled with. Ninja has very many sh/botters and scanners, it can be little wonder it is stereotyped so badly by those who don't play it. Believe me, I used to do the same lol
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AianLacruzel
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 5, 2016 8:26:24 GMT
It's just like irl. For example, there is a certain color of skin that gets stereotyped as violent and a no-gooder simply because of how the media portrays them to be. It doesn't mean all of them are like that. There's also a certain religion that is stereotyped badly because of being linked to terrorist groups. It doesn't mean all their practitioners are like that either.
Bottomline, in a world where you can choose which class to be "borne" as, you must really love the Ninja class to be willing to endure the sh stigma that comes along with it. The difference here is that it's perfectly fine to hate your forefathers for it.
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Nyx
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Post by Nyx on Nov 15, 2016 14:50:15 GMT
Thats what most people lacks with. The knowledge and awareness about different classes. Sad to say people goes with Mainstream now. Dont lose hope and keep shouting for awareness. I used to be an enchanter not a pro but I know how the struggles are. Also its not just about enchanters. Its all about classes. I hate ninjas even I am one, well a personal reason only and doesnt affect my game. What I do is form a PT when I cant find but you cant avoid that sometimes if they see me that Im a ninja (non aoe) or an Assassin (non aoe and needs to poisition first) they leave and then afterwards they'll shout LFM Mins/Hw/Bish/Geo Sounds like they prefer easy kill well everyone does but trying other classes that has the same efficiency with the mainstream gang is fun. So in the end I'll solo. I agree with you! Enchanter for example (class I'm the most knowlagable about) they can dish insane damage without doing a thing. Say you pt with a ninja and buff enchant wep and draw. The damage will add up quote quickly xD or another good example which is a life saver. Let's say were fighting kaiser II what would I do? MANA BURN! XD with the right gear you can keep a boss in a infinite stun lock and boy is it sadisfying xD sure it's a support ability but god it helps against bosses like kaiser II :3 counters like freesia and stuff works awesome on soo many classes.. Not just ench
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Nov 15, 2016 17:16:58 GMT
It's just like irl. For example, there is a certain color of skin that gets stereotyped as violent and a no-gooder simply because of how the media portrays them to be. It doesn't mean all of them are like that. There's also a certain religion that is stereotyped badly because of being linked to terrorist groups. It doesn't mean all their practitioners are like that either. Bottomline, in a world where you can choose which class to be "borne" as, you must really love the Ninja class to be willing to endure the sh stigma that comes along with it. The difference here is that it's perfectly fine to hate your forefathers for it. #GreenLivesMatter #OrcsArePeopleToo
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Post by Yaozou★ on Nov 15, 2016 19:22:00 GMT
That's true but let's be real, anyone but enchanter using auto skill sucks. No one can match enchanter at using auto skill. We have enchant wep, draw, and limit break (basically ignition for autoskill *^*) I beg to differ *-*)9...my samu is autoskill based... And doesn't suck Same to my monk, he is autoskill and doesnt suck x3
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DaddyDickems
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Post by DaddyDickems on Nov 15, 2016 23:07:18 GMT
I think some of the resentment comes from how much easier a ninja has it. I mean look at the mq, a nin with shiity equips can easily solo almost all of it, of course any class can do that with the right gear, but ninja is by far the cheapest. I made a ninja and was amazed how easy the mq was compared to my other characters, I didn't have to wait for mq services and didn't need to grind some levels. Also, the whole thing about SH doesn't really bother me, I AM BY NO MEANS PROMOTING SH, as long as the SH'ers aren't up in my grill I could care less.
This is my two cents on this subject.
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AianLacruzel
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 16, 2016 4:12:19 GMT
...as long as the SH'ers aren't up in my grill I could care less. As long as you trade with people,you are indirectly affected by sh.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Nov 16, 2016 4:23:19 GMT
...as long as the SH'ers aren't up in my grill I could care less. As long as you trade with people,you are indirectly affected by sh. That's not something that can really be taken into account anymore I don't think. Before the implementation of island stalls, if I knew someone was sh then I'd never trade with them. After the implementation of island stalls however, I could well have sold things to sh users by this point and be absolutely non the wiser. For trades outside of stalls I'd stick with things as before, but as the majority of what many would sell are things within price range of stall, much of it is done without talking to ppl. Unless of course your a rkk or sofya dweller that is, in which case your basically hell tainted by Association.
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AianLacruzel
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 16, 2016 7:04:52 GMT
As long as you trade with people,you are indirectly affected by sh. That's not something that can really be taken into account anymore I don't think. Before the implementation of island stalls, if I knew someone was sh then I'd never trade with them. After the implementation of island stalls however, I could well have sold things to sh users by this point and be absolutely non the wiser. For trades outside of stalls I'd stick with things as before, but as the majority of what many would sell are things within price range of stall, much of it is done without talking to ppl. Unless of course your a rkk or sofya dweller that is, in which case your basically hell tainted by Association. Point taken. I'm referring to the fact that sh and other cheaters, for this discussion I'll refer only to sh to be on topic, will farm and grind faster (with exceptions) than clean users. As such, they get Levels faster and have deeper pockets than if they played clean. Deeper pockets, bigger spending, less supply, higher price. Hurts buyers. Faster farming of rares/bosses (I'm not singling out nins), more supply, lower price. Hurts sellers. At first glance, this may seem like a good thing to buyers. BUT cheaters will have deeper pockets and this will be felt when dealing with items in low supply. Be thankful that Iruna doesn't have a formal auction system. We are affected by cheaters as long as we trade.
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