asteg
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yar yar...wind at ye backs me fellows.
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Post by asteg on Apr 25, 2016 4:25:05 GMT
The real issue isint newb ninjas, the issue is ppl are 100+ within 1-3 days "WOW awesome, im lvl 100 and have noooo fkin idea what classes iruna has" Another issue is that u can be a ninja at lvl 100.. "Mm...switch classes from weak ass newb knight...to a full class...or wait till 120?.... Pftttt easy...spec class here i come" And at 100 we have 1 of 3(now 4.. But i doubt begginers will stick with alch): "Mm... A class that fights with swords...a singer...or a class that can CLONE IT SELF? SIGN ME UPPPPPP" Then we have "Well, here i am, a lvl 100 ninja...wait...how does this cloning thing work?.... Dam...my clones only take 1 hit too... Tch... I guess i'll ask this guy how he does ninja, he atks really fast..." Newbie:hey, how eo u atk that fast? Sh nin: speed hack, its... (Explains sh) Newbie: speed hack? ... But hacking is bad... I'll ask other ninjas i guess... Now of course finding a genuine true to the game lage pe**s having non sh using ninja...isint easy, so this leads to: "Welp, errybody is doing it, seems fine to me, sign me up for sh!!!!" There you have it, theres nothing wrong with the ninja class, its just the better of the 4 spec classes for begginers, im sure if spec class lvl was 120-140 there'd be way less ninjas, and alot less sh'ers, and it'd be alot easier to find non sh ninjas
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Apr 25, 2016 4:46:54 GMT
The real issue isint newb ninjas, the issue is ppl are 100+ within 1-3 days "WOW awesome, im lvl 100 and have noooo fkin idea what classes iruna has" Another issue is that u can be a ninja at lvl 100.. "Mm...switch classes from weak ass newb knight...to a full class...or wait till 120?.... Pftttt easy...spec class here i come" And at 100 we have 1 of 3(now 4.. But i doubt begginers will stick with alch): "Mm... A class that fights with swords...a singer...or a class that can CLONE IT SELF? SIGN ME UPPPPPP" Then we have "Well, here i am, a lvl 100 ninja...wait...how does this cloning thing work?.... Dam...my clones only take 1 hit too... Tch... I guess i'll ask this guy how he does ninja, he atks really fast..." Newbie:hey, how eo u atk that fast? Sh nin: speed hack, its... (Explains sh) Newbie: speed hack? ... But hacking is bad... I'll ask other ninjas i guess... Now of course finding a genuine true to the game lage pe**s having non sh using ninja...isint easy, so this leads to: "Welp, errybody is doing it, seems fine to me, sign me up for sh!!!!" There you have it, theres nothing wrong with the ninja class, its just the better of the 4 spec classes for begginers, im sure if spec class lvl was 120-140 there'd be way less ninjas, and alot less sh'ers, and it'd be alot easier to find non sh ninjas Or if mio was solo quest to change class -_-
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Apr 25, 2016 5:01:49 GMT
The main reason is because its our mentality that they play legitly. Person A: Hey look, here's a lv300 claw ninja. Person B: Just ignore him, he's probably a SH. Meh. Person A: Wow, look, there's a lv300 magic ninja here too. Person B: -thumbs up- Awesome, what a dedicated player, we need more like him. This is so true. People dont believe that ninjas will actually grind their way to cap level withouy sh e.e everybody just thinks all ninjas are @ssholes that use sh and hacks when thats not even true Man! Did you read this full thing? How tf did you get "all ninjas are x" out of "magic ninjas are x and 1hp ninjas are x"?!?! The comment is clearly stating most ppl have had their fare fill with 1hp ninjas, claw users in particular & see reg bow and throw ninjas as something more...less tainted mainly because there are nowhere near as many & yes, whilst we are full well aware that there will be sh users amongst their ranks, it is not as in our faces as it is with 1hp claw ninjas. Also as there is far less exposure to reg bow and throw ninjas, ppl dont see them in the same light as with 1hp ninjas as they as it requires actual knowladge and perseverance to make these work right from the start and(all I'm saying here is you dont have a bunch of dkhead nubs populating these builds for the class) and you dont face the continually b1tching about buffs that you get from aforementioned dkhead nubs which populate the 1hp build for ninja who usually use claw.
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Apr 25, 2016 5:15:23 GMT
And yes, I.Am.Aware that there are good and knowledgeable claw ninjas and spec bow ninjas out there, but sheesh if you love the class, you can live with that hate and do YOUR bit and tell those of your class who bring shame to it to go kill themselves. 1 more example lmao English soccer fans(hooligans) When their on the continent, their ringleaders ik full well have been told in some places "just give me an excuse to put a bullet in your ass" by cops and authorities of different countries. Just because some English soccer fans are extreme enough to be threatened/warned like this lol its doesnt mean that every English soccer fan is an ass when abroad. Now for the love of christ, dont make me use something racial/religious based as an example(I think skeewi at least can guess what I mean in this referance) The bad blood toward ninjas comes from many(this word does not mean all. Shall I provide a link to an English dictionary?) retards that populate the class and whos actions have and continue to cast bad light on the class.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 25, 2016 6:50:32 GMT
now one of the issues is "ninjas always speed hack" yeah I agree there are ninjas that speed hack.. And hwiz.. And bish... And samu...and monks whew a lot of players that aren't ninjas do it. You must be kidding me. Well, no, he's not o.o. They are plenty to SH at lvling spots (nommar, megas, bw, yarde). And yes i'm aware of their skills effect, such as rush. How can you be like "C'mon 99% of the ninjas are SHing" and "You have to be kidding me, a samurai would never SH" at the same time without doing awkward generalizations?
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skeewi
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Hate speech is best speech
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Post by skeewi on Apr 25, 2016 7:43:26 GMT
Honestly? The only thing that would give a 1hp ninja any place in my party would be if they got some kind of party buff or skill that helps them keep hate (high survivability is a big load of dung in a party if everyone else dies). As they are now, a ninja just eats up a slot in my pt that can rather be filled by a better, much more specialized class (Pally, Ench, Glad for tanking; Mins or Servant for support, and Sniper, Sin or Sam for damage).
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kms
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Post by kms on Apr 25, 2016 12:23:13 GMT
i play a ninja and has pretty much reached level 293 only grinding myself (solo mostly). i enjoy helping friends and random folks on MQ. have my own experiments like trying to be throw ninja (but the stats do not support it now. INT is only 112 at the moment). SH players do reduce the fun for others, but i keep my "Party Only: ON" and have fun by myself. The intent is to enjoy a character you create and learn the ropes playing that class. I suck big time being a bishop but still play solo with my bishop too. Ninja being the most hated class, playing one is least fun, particularly when i was trying to have a QC build on nail with almost 7 clone DOC spam, i was accused of the same too. reason enough why i never try to party people. asteg helped me with building some of the abilities on equipment and I play with my friends and guildies. What I do not understand is how one gets to have a disadvantage - as personally i never care about spina or drops and enjoy a target when I reach the same. my damage might be lower than well geared players, but who cares...
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 25, 2016 18:04:38 GMT
Like several others have said the reason you see so many hating ninja is due to the overpopulation of them. If there were as many snipers (the lowest percent of the population) as there are ninja, you would see as many of them using SH and receiving hate just because their class. The majority of the community fails to understand what the ninja's role in a party should be, mostly due to their lack of any skills which support the party. If you're AGI/CRT build you're expected to tank, if you're magic build you're expected to do high DPS.
Many neglect the magic skills of ninja, they are intended to be a mage build special class, while Iruna highly favors mage classes (give us an xtal with atk+20% *cough gerust cough*) it wasn't awkward when I first started Iruna to see a gladi or sin using claw weapons but now it's frowned upon. Yet we still see ninja using claw weapons and monk using throw weapons (looking at you geo spammers) when they have throw mastery and claw mastery respectively. This is as backwards as sniper using a staff and high wizards using a bow, the latter being acceptable around 2 years ago when used with assault xtal to break boss shields.
Things change over time, those ninja who stay auto attacking with AGI/CRT builds and refuse to become DoC spam or magic ninja are resisting the change of ideas. Cookie for them for staying true to their build but do expect to be greeted with haters, again all classes have haters but it's proportional to what percent of the community your class takes up.
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Post by Cerulean on Apr 25, 2016 19:42:58 GMT
I'm just shining a little light on the subject and it's not the class, it's the player/sh hate that, not the class. I have so much pride in my ninja because of how dam hard I've worked on it much like anyone would have about anything they've worked on. Saying things like "blanket genocide on ninjas" is kind of a crappy thing to say. So I think it's fair to say what I said that people "hate ninja" is true. Do I hate sh players? Oh sweet Jesus I do. I'll spam them group invites to harrasx them and they usually go away and I'll publicly mock them constantly I think the only classes I haven't seen speed hack are throw sins, normal bow snipers BKS servants pally Geo monks mblade enchys and bow minis. So should we hop on the hate everything else band wagon? Nah cause that's dumb its not the classes fault it's the player. Hell show me a thread where ppl are bashing any other class besides ninja and then tell me there isn't a problem.
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 25, 2016 21:20:48 GMT
I agree saying things like "blanket genocide on this class" is wrong. Those people wouldn't like it if their favorite class was wiped from the game. They aren't thinking of that when they say such things, people are going to have a bias and some might be bigots but we can't sink to their level.
Not long ago someone in my guild(going assassin) was bashing sniper, saying it's a stupid class and such. All I said in response was good luck with your assassin I hope you enjoy it.
Everyone has a right to their opinion but you aren't entitled to force it on others.
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Apr 25, 2016 21:49:27 GMT
I'm just shining a little light on the subject and it's not the class, it's the player/sh hate that, not the class. I have so much pride in my ninja because of how dam hard I've worked on it much like anyone would have about anything they've worked on. Saying things like "blanket genocide on ninjas" is kind of a crappy thing to say. So I think it's fair to say what I said that people "hate ninja" is true. Do I hate sh players? Oh sweet Jesus I do. I'll spam them group invites to harrasx them and they usually go away and I'll publicly mock them constantly I think the only classes I haven't seen speed hack are throw sins, normal bow snipers BKS servants pally Geo monks mblade enchys and bow minis. So should we hop on the hate everything else band wagon? Nah cause that's dumb its not the classes fault it's the player. Hell show me a thread where ppl are bashing any other class besides ninja and then tell me there isn't a problem. Comments such as that of mine you mentioned are designed to be taken with a grain of salt dude.If I was actually serious when I said it, do you think I would associate with ninjas at all? Its just like when I say around friends that are hardcore Collingwood magpie supporters "the only good magpie, is a dead magpie" the only difference here is, instead of getting their panties in a twist, if anything smh they get a kick out of the hate(dislike) many have for the magpie community which tbh haha is extremely well deserved. The thing is mate, as I said earlier, if you really love your class, then you can easily develop a set of steel danglies and not let comments which are not totally serious, let alone those comments that are dead set serious get to you. Just look at what ppl such as Crysta| deal with everyday (are you sniper again?)as a hunter class being sht on by...those less knowledgeable and always having to prove that they can survive just as well as...other classes. The advantage you as a ninja have to work with is along with being a member of the most hated class, by many the class is quite...overated? Not sure the word atm lol but you can display to the haters just what you can do(even tho you are a rarity lol) and say hue hue as you show what nin can do and learn to live on that hate.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 25, 2016 22:06:27 GMT
1)Many neglect the magic skills of ninja, they are intended to be a mage build special class, 2) Iruna highly favors mage classes (give us an xtal with atk+20% *cough gerust cough*) I well agree with you! I just wanna react to 1)weeeelll yes and no, they were more meant to be both physical and magical....like in many asobimo's game btw x) 2) Not really as well, the only reason there are greater % of MATK in items/eqps is that a spell needs at least 2 sec to proc at high lvls, as physical atk or skill can be reduced to 1 second...so magic classes do huge dmg relatively slowly and physical class have less dmg per hit, but procs them faster....wouldnt be fair if physical classes would deal an imperial ray per second u.u
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 25, 2016 22:15:40 GMT
1)Many neglect the magic skills of ninja, they are intended to be a mage build special class, 2) Iruna highly favors mage classes (give us an xtal with atk+20% *cough gerust cough*) I well agree with you! I just wanna react to 1)weeeelll yes and no, they were more meant to be both physical and magical....like in many asobimo's game btw x) 2) Not really as well, the only reason there are greater % of MATK in items/eqps is that a spell needs at least 2 sec to proc at high lvls, as physical atk or skill can be reduced to 1 second...so magic classes do huge dmg relatively slowly and physical class have less dmg per hit, but procs them faster....wouldnt be fair if physical classes would deal an imperial ray per second u.u 1) that's true ninja shuriken mastery increase atk & matk, so maybe they should be played like an enchanter? 2) the xtal I'm mainly talking about was gerust's. Which adds +1 second skill delay, I feel like warrior lack the equivalent of this xtal.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 25, 2016 22:31:18 GMT
2) the xtal I'm mainly talking about was gerust's. Which adds +1 second skill delay, I feel like warrior lack the equivalent of this xtal. 1) well, it has physical atks, magical atks, and even have a skill using both, which can recall m.blade..its quite different though, ninjas always are really specific with bimo... 2) you re right, the only one i can see are the atk+10% delay+1.5 sec, or atk 10% and crt dmg +12% xtals from events...
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 26, 2016 1:02:49 GMT
2) the xtal I'm mainly talking about was gerust's. Which adds +1 second skill delay, I feel like warrior lack the equivalent of this xtal. 1) well, it has physical atks, magical atks, and even have a skill using both, which can recall m.blade..its quite different though, ninjas always are really specific with bimo... 2) you re right, the only one i can see are the atk+10% delay+1.5 sec, or atk 10% and crt dmg +12% xtals from events... Not only do the equipment/xtals favor the mage branch but the heal of hp/mp(paladin being the exception) causes a huge offset in the balance of classes.
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