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Post by Cerulean on Apr 23, 2016 20:53:05 GMT
So there is a lot of negativity towards ninjas, whether it's a bias opinion because fear of being replaced in parties or whatever the case may be it's getting a bit out of hand, so much in fact there are constant threads about ninjas. So I just would discuss this a bit, now one of the issues is "ninjas always speed hack" yeah I agree there are ninjas that speed hack.. And hwiz.. And bish... And samu...and monks whew a lot of players that aren't ninjas do it. But I'm curious why are the complains only about ninjas? Not only that but DPs of ninjas are shamed as well, so let me shine a little light on that for you. A good melee ninja regardless of the weapon choice as a doc spammer(sword, claw, bow, throw) typically ranges 120k-200k depending on where they are in apos and bring properly geared. And claw without interfike/d.blow is around 60k and with 100k-120k
I'm gonna break down some stuff for ya, a good glady does 100k-120k pillar blade to recent exp mobs (yardes, Baum warrior) which is pretty good,lol 's also an aoe but let's be real the size of it is ghastly, to bosses they can get into the 200k with tempest if geared and speced towards it but that's usually at the cost of some survivability.
Pallys lately have been pretty well knowed to hit high numbers with knight oath 700k-1.5m which sounds great! But it has a 10 second casting time and if inflicted with any ailment negates the activation, and 700k-1.5m comes down to 70k-150k when you bring it down to DPs.
Samu can have insane numbers (sorta) IF they proc my personal experience my samu does 220k DPs at top and 70k at bottom. Is not a static number that can be easily calculated because of how unstable the damage really is.
Geo monks can do a lot, if and only if the mob/boss is stunned or frozen I remember farming raton at 260 with my monk and shell break+frozen procd at the end hitting raton for 400k but like I said if frozen or stunned, without either Geo Monk does pfft 70k-100k at high end and they don't fit in any pt that easily because they have a giant hate issue.
Sins and snipers are the higher of the DPs DMG range while sniper hits a large if not the largest area with area rain and adding cross fire on that they break 150k+ per mob easily and sins demolishing with 150k single target to 300k+ double back stabs/sicarus
Hwiz with enough cspd can belt out in a few seconds a spell+imp doing 700k~ per mob if they got enough crit/spellburst within a few seconds
And lastly minstrel, there damage depends on the party entirely unless they've gone Dex>crit>str bow user(even then it's like 60k) mins are typically in magic based parties (2x hwiz 1 bish 1 mins) so they aren't really casting d.newt all that often are they?
But as far as DPs oriented classes that's the just of it. Now I'm not saying there isn't any exceptions to what I've said and I left out classes like enchy out because they aren't really for damage exactly but their strength lies in the ability to survive almost everything.
And seriously? Whining about a new skill when there are already things like stoneskin/massive skin, origin, blood lust, asura aura, Esperanza, fortis, imperial, shadow walk, sicarus, Hyde atk+arrow rain and resu spam? I'd have to say people have let themselves go crazy lol
And let's keep in mind 220 is the new level average due to mq
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Apr 23, 2016 21:53:54 GMT
1st thing. Its not "ninja sh" its "most sh are ninja"
2nd thing. Its not "ninja cant deal good dps" its "many ppl believe ninja can survive anythin on 9 clone build and...idk really y they go claw when it involves so much more work. Reg bow doc spam and throw ninjas do great dmg"
3rd thing. Its not "every1 hates ninjas" its more "the class bears a stigma now from the insane lvl of stupid of which its population is comprised. Seriously, if we gunna look at percentages...just what percentage of ninjas actually know wtf they are doing 0.0"
Its kinda like Apple maybe...ok not really lol just coz that is litterally incompatible with anything not apple, but the insane number of ppl that get apple because its "the best" and then complain that its incompatible with other things they want to use is just...*facepalms*
I say, try your hand at reg bow or throw if you go nin, you will find agi crt to be boring. They go agi crt...later on "ohh...this is boring"
-_-
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Post by Kanato on Apr 24, 2016 3:20:56 GMT
1st thing. Its not "ninja sh" its "most sh are ninja" 2nd thing. Its not "ninja cant deal good dps" its "many ppl believe ninja can survive anythin on 9 clone build and...idk really y they go claw when it involves so much more work. Reg bow doc spam and throw ninjas do great dmg" 3rd thing. Its not "every1 hates ninjas" its more "the class bears a stigma now from the insane lvl of stupid of which its population is comprised. Seriously, if we gunna look at percentages...just what percentage of ninjas actually know wtf they are doing 0.0" Its kinda like Apple maybe...ok not really lol just coz that is litterally incompatible with anything not apple, but the insane number of ppl that get apple because its "the best" and then complain that its incompatible with other things they want to use is just...*facepalms* I say, try your hand at reg bow or throw if you go nin, you will find agi crt to be boring. They go agi crt...later on "ohh...this is boring" -_- lenme just give my opinion on the 2nd point. Its true that throw and reg bow nin does a lot more dmg than claw nin but in return for that great amount of dmg, survivability is sacrificed. Players not only look at dmg, they look at survivability too. Whats the use of dealing a great amount of dmg all the time when u cant even keep urself alive? |
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Apr 24, 2016 6:00:50 GMT
1st thing. Its not "ninja sh" its "most sh are ninja" 2nd thing. Its not "ninja cant deal good dps" its "many ppl believe ninja can survive anythin on 9 clone build and...idk really y they go claw when it involves so much more work. Reg bow doc spam and throw ninjas do great dmg" 3rd thing. Its not "every1 hates ninjas" its more "the class bears a stigma now from the insane lvl of stupid of which its population is comprised. Seriously, if we gunna look at percentages...just what percentage of ninjas actually know wtf they are doing 0.0" Its kinda like Apple maybe...ok not really lol just coz that is litterally incompatible with anything not apple, but the insane number of ppl that get apple because its "the best" and then complain that its incompatible with other things they want to use is just...*facepalms* I say, try your hand at reg bow or throw if you go nin, you will find agi crt to be boring. They go agi crt...later on "ohh...this is boring" -_- lenme just give my opinion on the 2nd point. Its true that throw and reg bow nin does a lot more dmg than claw nin but in return for that great amount of dmg, survivability is sacrificed. Players not only look at dmg, they look at survivability too. Whats the use of dealing a great amount of dmg all the time when u cant even keep urself alive? Its called tactics and strategy mate, instead of blasting away and relying solo on ur clones, there is an amount of kiting involved & ik of a number of reg bow ninjas that do quite well just going with 3 clones to act as a buffer. Idk if wafu still uses forums, but I shall summon Umaru-chan who has commented about this very thing a few times in the past |
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Apr 24, 2016 6:01:51 GMT
Oh & Dragsbro to tell you about throw nins (check out the bros youtube channle) |
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Jen~
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Post by Jen~ on Apr 24, 2016 6:38:45 GMT
Reason for my hate for ninjas is because when i went map exploring to find muscle colon, it was killed by SH ninjas and stuff. They coouldnt even stop for a bit so that i could take a picture with it ;-;. not like my lv 168 ass gonna do jacksh*t to it '-')
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Post by tsappira on Apr 24, 2016 7:08:46 GMT
Reason for my hate for ninjas is because when i went map exploring to find muscle colon, it was killed by SH ninjas and stuff. They coouldnt even stop for a bit so that i could take a picture with it ;-;. not like my lv 168 ass gonna do jacksh*t to it '-') and they just wkwkwk'ed instead of stopping for ten seconds .-. |
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Post by Hiroshi★ on Apr 24, 2016 7:27:53 GMT
my ninja pride .. it hurts. PIE all the haters °^° , theyre just jelly of the new skills >~>
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Post by Kanato on Apr 24, 2016 8:12:43 GMT
Reason for my hate for ninjas is because when i went map exploring to find muscle colon, it was killed by SH ninjas and stuff. They coouldnt even stop for a bit so that i could take a picture with it ;-;. not like my lv 168 ass gonna do jacksh*t to it '-') Again, ur talking all ninjas are bad and use sh. Just because of that one bad sh ninja that made u hate all of the innocent and fair ninjas out there |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 8:31:37 GMT
Its only people own thinking. All classes are great it only depends on who is the one who use it (whether he/she knows what he/she is doing or not)
Most people are just getting blind with the mainstream events and being influenced by many different factors as a result its so hard for them to find that these classes that they criticized are capable of doing many things.
An example would be
Paladin
Positive
I like paladin it deals 1M dmg o.o wuutt!!
-true, but not all paladin can deal 1M+ dmg or so (it really depends on the gear stats etc.)
Negative
paladin is weak below 260
-False, whether 260 or not Paladin is a great class that no one can deny it.
In the end, it depends on people how they interpret these classes, how to put this
Hmm...
(some classes they mostly PT are way unprofessional and as a result it turns out to be default that this class is something like this, like that)
I am a Ninja hater, but I hate the class is because Im noob towards it but it doesnt mean I hate the class in general (simply say, I hate how I play Ninja), or I suck being a ninja), so I hate myself as well.). As I've met so many professional ninjas that
1)consider a worst case scenario of healers being die (by bringing a veltria)
2)properly managed -HP% gear (which who doesnt complain about warcry and stuff)
3)knows his weakness and where he excels (bring pots, vaccs, and not shouting MP MP!, vaccine vaccine!!)
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Apr 24, 2016 8:36:45 GMT
my ninja pride .. it hurts. PIE all the haters °^° , theyre just jelly of the new skills >~> New skills such as silent kill which is of little use to agi crt ninjas. And doc2 which is great for reg bow nins to spam to their hearts content. Agi crt nins...still spam it somehow 0.0 |
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Post by Skye on Apr 24, 2016 9:03:26 GMT
And here I sit still happily plucking away with my agi/crt special bow collection...
Most ninja's don't know their limitations. I've done everything solo ever since I became a ninja (except Leviam...) and when I hit a point in my MQ that I can't beat (currently Exusia Gewalt), I don't rage to everyone who'll listen. I don't go begging for someone to get me through the fight. I do what any responsible player should do and go level my ass up a bit more the hard way because MQ exp just didn't quite cut it.
Here's my view on how the general population views Ninja's. They've seen the solo vids on YouTube. They expect that to be the standard all ninjas should be. The simple fact is, that's not anywhere near standard. There are a TON of Ninja's in Iruna because of the ease at which they solo EP1/EP2. EP3 is still possible to solo, but it gets harder.
As for most sh being ninja, I refer you back to the 'there are a ton of ninja's in Iruna' thing. I'd love to see an average sh:reg for each class and see how they stack up. While it's complete guesswork since the numbers don't exist (as far as I know), I wouldn't be surprised to see at least a semi-balanced ratio among all the common sh classes. I just think the inflated ninja numbers make it look so bad.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 24, 2016 9:31:47 GMT
Oh & Dragsbro to tell you about throw nins (check out the bros youtube channle) Thx o3o Well new skills are prerty gonna f*ck up our survivability if it consumes our clones by casting either Katon, Raiton or Earthshaker... i guess most magic ninjas will simply spam Domination then but i hate this way of playing, boring asf, so i'll figure out a way of not dying while casting full combo XD moreover we have a higher DPS with full combo than spamming Domi, not even talking about the skills lvls up incoming *.* Now lets react to the original post! I wont say a lot of things, but at least some points: 1) minstrel can do 150k per sec 2) some geo monks deals 120k by normal hit, not frozen or stunned mobs 3) The GMs have sh*tty equipments while introducing new skills, and they did like 5k per critical normal hit. Now, let just remember they did 60k+, consuming clone critical with silent killing. As it use both ATK and MATK, magic ninjas and throw DoC spam will be the best to use it. 4) i'll be back |
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Apr 24, 2016 11:55:55 GMT
Most ninjas I know sh. I still have to meet a Lvl260+ ninja without SH tbh. Almost all of them have SH. (They'll tell you it's Interfike but they're obviously too poor to afford it). You see why they're so appalling?
I hate partying with them too because they always complain about Warcry. They suck without SH and tbh they'll all quit when you strip them of SH.
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Post by asderota on Apr 24, 2016 12:51:07 GMT
some others reason for why plp hate that class is their ego, man sometimes i left the party because of that.
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