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Post by Crysta| on Apr 27, 2016 22:43:15 GMT
I'll get back on topic...The majority of ninja aren't DoC spammers, nor do they have interfike/dual blow. In any class/build a skill spammer will always do more DPS than an auto attacker. is auto issen sam with shippu jinrai an exception? I guess they do greater dps than issen spam I knew this kind of question would come and it needs to be answered with care. A paladin who spams guardian will obviously do less than 1 who "spams" Knight's Oath (which is a buff just like shippu jinrai) both consume mp but a buff can easily be interrupted by a boss who deletes them (you'll see the message on screen "All the continuous effects have been lost")
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Post by Nyx on Apr 28, 2016 4:47:53 GMT
is auto issen sam with shippu jinrai an exception? I guess they do greater dps than issen spam I knew this kind of question would come and it needs to be answered with care. A paladin who spams guardian will obviously do less than 1 who "spams" Knight's Oath (which is a buff just like shippu jinrai) both consume mp but a buff can easily be interrupted by a boss who deletes them (you'll see the message on screen "All the continuous effects have been lost") but then, they are essentially relying on auto attacks to do damage right? So like, they don't exactly spam shippu like you and i spam thor or area rain/cf. I guess they could be called auto attackers, while both guardian and oath are skills
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 28, 2016 8:52:08 GMT
I knew this kind of question would come and it needs to be answered with care. A paladin who spams guardian will obviously do less than 1 who "spams" Knight's Oath (which is a buff just like shippu jinrai) both consume mp but a buff can easily be interrupted by a boss who deletes them (you'll see the message on screen "All the continuous effects have been lost") but then, they are essentially relying on auto attacks to do damage right? So like, they don't exactly spam shippu like you and i spam thor or area rain/cf. I guess they could be called auto attackers, while both guardian and oath are skills shippu is also a skill, if you spam dual blow in combination with it your DPS is higher
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Post by Nyx on Apr 28, 2016 15:03:41 GMT
but then, they are essentially relying on auto attacks to do damage right? So like, they don't exactly spam shippu like you and i spam thor or area rain/cf. I guess they could be called auto attackers, while both guardian and oath are skills shippu is also a skill, if you spam dual blow in combination with it your DPS is higher my question didn't involve dual blow e.e i said that a sam doesn't spam shippu in the same way as pally spam guardian. And using a skill after 10 sec ain't much spamming. So an auto samurai that USES(not spams) shippu to raise aspd has a higher dps than any other samurai class skill spammer . Dual blow ain't a samurai skill. Thus it is an exception to what you said earlier.
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 28, 2016 18:02:43 GMT
shippu is also a skill, if you spam dual blow in combination with it your DPS is higher my question didn't involve dual blow e.e i said that a sam doesn't spam shippu in the same way as pally spam guardian. And using a skill after 10 sec ain't much spamming. So an auto samurai that USES(not spams) shippu to raise aspd has a higher dps than any other samurai class skill spammer . Dual blow ain't a samurai skill. Thus it is an exception to what you said earlier. Dual blow is available to anyone (not a premium pet skill) so I think it's viable to include that in the category of Skill spammer. If you'll go back and read the original poster mentioned the average DPS of a ninja who spams dual blow. I never said the only samurai skill spammers are issen spam, if I may generalize your question "Are there are exceptions to the rule skill spammer beats auto attack?" Yes when you specify the skill being used, issen in your example to which I presented an alternative spammable skill which yields higher DPS.
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Post by Nyx on Apr 28, 2016 18:21:14 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up, Crysta| , i now understand.
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Post by asteg on Apr 29, 2016 4:40:45 GMT
Shippu+db puts sh to shame o.o even with muramasa
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 4, 2016 2:22:34 GMT
I'll admit that I am not the biggest fan of ninjas for sevral reasons, none of which you said in your post so I'll explain to you why I hate ninjas. Reason number 1: ego, every single ninja I have run across has been a egotistical jerk. Not saying all ninjas are like that but there high attack and success gets to a lot of peoples heads so ninjas tend to think there tough shît. If pvp was a thing a enchanter would wreck a ninja by simply using mana burn. XD Reason number 2: over populated, I swear if I see one more ninja I'm gonna flip all the tables. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that more than half of the iruna population is a ninja. To many = boring. To me it's really not that good of a class but it's my personal oppinion. Nonetheless there are just way to many ninjas walking around and it makes my he's spin. Reason number 3: idiocy, let me explain, assasin use to be such a great class and it still is, but because of ninja assasin became rare and rarely used anymore because it stole the thunder for assasin. It's sad really cause is love to see assassin more, but idiocy comes in cause not many people decide to research all the classes to know it's strengths and weaknesses. And because of such, assassin is now rarely used because of ninja. Don't sy it's false cause take a good look around, assassins rarely ever show up. I'm lucky enough to be friends with flarius and enjoys watching him go at it! (Though we haven't pted in ages ;- Reason number 4: I'm a enchanter, I know full well how bad the class gap is. You as a ninja has no idea how bad it feels when you wanna pt and you spend hours in a area hoping to find a pt but no one wants you because people really are close minded to what unique classes can do. Ninja just being part of the problem. Hell only reffrence you made to enchanter in your post was stone skin. I laugh at the fact that a lot of classes are underestimated. Nonetheless, the over population of ninjas and want of ninjas is part of the issue here. Other part is pally, hw, and bish. Don't get me we of not saying those are bs classes but it's called do your research, did you know that m blade a enchanter skill can keep Agro on boss and mob? That's right enchanter can be a tank for a pt. That's just one example. Ok I'm done ranting xD
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Post by bravebor on Nov 4, 2016 2:50:58 GMT
I'll admit that I am not the biggest fan of ninjas for sevral reasons, none of which you said in your post so I'll explain to you why I hate ninjas. Reason number 1: ego, every single ninja I have run across has been a egotistical jerk. Not saying all ninjas are like that but there high attack and success gets to a lot of peoples heads so ninjas tend to think there tough shît. If pvp was a thing a enchanter would wreck a ninja by simply using mana burn. XD Reason number 2: over populated, I swear if I see one more ninja I'm gonna flip all the tables. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that more than half of the iruna population is a ninja. To many = boring. To me it's really not that good of a class but it's my personal oppinion. Nonetheless there are just way to many ninjas walking around and it makes my he's spin. Reason number 3: idiocy, let me explain, assasin use to be such a great class and it still is, but because of ninja assasin became rare and rarely used anymore because it stole the thunder for assasin. It's sad really cause is love to see assassin more, but idiocy comes in cause not many people decide to research all the classes to know it's strengths and weaknesses. And because of such, assassin is now rarely used because of ninja. Don't sy it's false cause take a good look around, assassins rarely ever show up. I'm lucky enough to be friends with flarius and enjoys watching him go at it! (Though we haven't pted in ages ;- Reason number 4: I'm a enchanter, I know full well how bad the class gap is. You as a ninja has no idea how bad it feels when you wanna pt and you spend hours in a area hoping to find a pt but no one wants you because people really are close minded to what unique classes can do. Ninja just being part of the problem. Hell only reffrence you made to enchanter in your post was stone skin. I laugh at the fact that a lot of classes are underestimated. Nonetheless, the over population of ninjas and want of ninjas is part of the issue here. Other part is pally, hw, and bish. Don't get me we of not saying those are bs classes but it's called do your research, did you know that m blade a enchanter skill can keep Agro on boss and mob? That's right enchanter can be a tank for a pt. That's just one example. Ok I'm done ranting xD All of these points are answered and countered through the comments in this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 3:47:44 GMT
I think its the same for all classes. If someone dont need it (sorry for the term) they dont bother to search for it.
Im a ninja and in boss killing especially that SK was released they are really in demand but opposite when it comes to grinding.
My gladiator always gets PT in grinding but not in farming
My Assassin gets Boss farm PT but rarely gets grind pt. Now SK has been released they dont even bother to ask me to use assassin.
Thats the sad truth if someone cannot bring a much convenience for everyone they'll prefer the other one.
For example a ninja SK who dealt high dmg in bosses and mobs being ignored in Grind because with SK or not theyre still non aoe.
Same I think for Assassin and most especially for enchanters.
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 4, 2016 4:08:15 GMT
I'll admit that I am not the biggest fan of ninjas for sevral reasons, none of which you said in your post so I'll explain to you why I hate ninjas. Reason number 1: ego, every single ninja I have run across has been a egotistical jerk. Not saying all ninjas are like that but there high attack and success gets to a lot of peoples heads so ninjas tend to think there tough shît. If pvp was a thing a enchanter would wreck a ninja by simply using mana burn. XD Reason number 2: over populated, I swear if I see one more ninja I'm gonna flip all the tables. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that more than half of the iruna population is a ninja. To many = boring. To me it's really not that good of a class but it's my personal oppinion. Nonetheless there are just way to many ninjas walking around and it makes my he's spin. Reason number 3: idiocy, let me explain, assasin use to be such a great class and it still is, but because of ninja assasin became rare and rarely used anymore because it stole the thunder for assasin. It's sad really cause is love to see assassin more, but idiocy comes in cause not many people decide to research all the classes to know it's strengths and weaknesses. And because of such, assassin is now rarely used because of ninja. Don't sy it's false cause take a good look around, assassins rarely ever show up. I'm lucky enough to be friends with flarius and enjoys watching him go at it! (Though we haven't pted in ages ;- Reason number 4: I'm a enchanter, I know full well how bad the class gap is. You as a ninja has no idea how bad it feels when you wanna pt and you spend hours in a area hoping to find a pt but no one wants you because people really are close minded to what unique classes can do. Ninja just being part of the problem. Hell only reffrence you made to enchanter in your post was stone skin. I laugh at the fact that a lot of classes are underestimated. Nonetheless, the over population of ninjas and want of ninjas is part of the issue here. Other part is pally, hw, and bish. Don't get me we of not saying those are bs classes but it's called do your research, did you know that m blade a enchanter skill can keep Agro on boss and mob? That's right enchanter can be a tank for a pt. That's just one example. Ok I'm done ranting xD All of these points are answered and countered through the comments in this thread... I just finished reading through all the comments, and ues they are valid points. I'm not gonna dispute that. Ninja just ain't the class for me. #chanters4life
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Post by (☆) on Nov 4, 2016 4:09:44 GMT
I'll admit that I am not the biggest fan of ninjas for sevral reasons, none of which you said in your post so I'll explain to you why I hate ninjas. Reason number 1: ego, every single ninja I have run across has been a egotistical jerk. Not saying all ninjas are like that but there high attack and success gets to a lot of peoples heads so ninjas tend to think there tough shît. If pvp was a thing a enchanter would wreck a ninja by simply using mana burn. XD Reason number 2: over populated, I swear if I see one more ninja I'm gonna flip all the tables. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that more than half of the iruna population is a ninja. To many = boring. To me it's really not that good of a class but it's my personal oppinion. Nonetheless there are just way to many ninjas walking around and it makes my he's spin. Reason number 3: idiocy, let me explain, assasin use to be such a great class and it still is, but because of ninja assasin became rare and rarely used anymore because it stole the thunder for assasin. It's sad really cause is love to see assassin more, but idiocy comes in cause not many people decide to research all the classes to know it's strengths and weaknesses. And because of such, assassin is now rarely used because of ninja. Don't sy it's false cause take a good look around, assassins rarely ever show up. I'm lucky enough to be friends with flarius and enjoys watching him go at it! (Though we haven't pted in ages ;- Reason number 4: I'm a enchanter, I know full well how bad the class gap is. You as a ninja has no idea how bad it feels when you wanna pt and you spend hours in a area hoping to find a pt but no one wants you because people really are close minded to what unique classes can do. Ninja just being part of the problem. Hell only reffrence you made to enchanter in your post was stone skin. I laugh at the fact that a lot of classes are underestimated. Nonetheless, the over population of ninjas and want of ninjas is part of the issue here. Other part is pally, hw, and bish. Don't get me we of not saying those are bs classes but it's called do your research, did you know that m blade a enchanter skill can keep Agro on boss and mob? That's right enchanter can be a tank for a pt. That's just one example. Ok I'm done ranting xD Magic blade can keep aggro or not that depends on who is your damager in pt and probably mins too.There is sometimes manaburn spam is a better option in pt for enchanter.
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 4, 2016 4:17:57 GMT
I think its the same for all classes. If someone dont need it (sorry for the term) they dont bother to search for it. Im a ninja and in boss killing especially that SK was released they are really in demand but opposite when it comes to grinding. My gladiator always gets PT in grinding but not in farming My Assassin gets Boss farm PT but rarely gets grind pt. Now SK has been released they dont even bother to ask me to use assassin. Thats the sad truth if someone cannot bring a much convenience for everyone they'll prefer the other one. For example a ninja SK who dealt high dmg in bosses and mobs being ignored in Grind because with SK or not theyre still non aoe. Same I think for Assassin and most especially for enchanters. it really sucks, I have always been enchanter, I love the class so much. But I'm always alone cause no one wants me. Very rarely will I come across a knowlagable person and I tank for a pt and have a blast doing it. Hell I'm a hybrid chanter, I can m blade spam, dps, support, tank, you name it. I've done my research on every class and knows how I should play for a certain pt. Example: Party: enchanter (me) pally, bish, and a monk. First think I would do is cast magic barrier on everyone, increasing are hp and def, then on the monk I would buff him or her with enchant wep and draw. This is where it gets fun, the pally would get ready and run at the boss and start fighting, all the while I'm spamming stone skin on the pally making him godlike (joke) all the while I'm also mp healing the bishop, monk, and pally. Also doing some support damage here ad there if needed. Needles to say I think the game would we so much fun if people took the time to learn about each class, and I know how they work. So I'd say subconsciously I'm angry at ninjas because in most cases they keep me from getting a pt. It just sucks always playing alone. That's why my eyes light up with joy when I come across a player that knows what's up... I won't hate ninja in genral anymore, but it's still not my style class xD #chanters4life (get that shît trending xD)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Nov 4, 2016 7:11:40 GMT
I think its the same for all classes. If someone dont need it (sorry for the term) they dont bother to search for it. Im a ninja and in boss killing especially that SK was released they are really in demand but opposite when it comes to grinding. My gladiator always gets PT in grinding but not in farming My Assassin gets Boss farm PT but rarely gets grind pt. Now SK has been released they dont even bother to ask me to use assassin. Thats the sad truth if someone cannot bring a much convenience for everyone they'll prefer the other one. For example a ninja SK who dealt high dmg in bosses and mobs being ignored in Grind because with SK or not theyre still non aoe. Same I think for Assassin and most especially for enchanters. it really sucks, I have always been enchanter, I love the class so much. But I'm always alone cause no one wants me. Very rarely will I come across a knowlagable person and I tank for a pt and have a blast doing it. Hell I'm a hybrid chanter, I can m blade spam, dps, support, tank, you name it. I've done my research on every class and knows how I should play for a certain pt. Example: Party: enchanter (me) pally, bish, and a monk. First think I would do is cast magic barrier on everyone, increasing are hp and def, then on the monk I would buff him or her with enchant wep and draw. This is where it gets fun, the pally would get ready and run at the boss and start fighting, all the while I'm spamming stone skin on the pally making him godlike (joke) all the while I'm also mp healing the bishop, monk, and pally. Also doing some support damage here ad there if needed. Needles to say I think the game would we so much fun if people took the time to learn about each class, and I know how they work. So I'd say subconsciously I'm angry at ninjas because in most cases they keep me from getting a pt. It just sucks always playing alone. That's why my eyes light up with joy when I come across a player that knows what's up... I won't hate ninja in genral anymore, but it's still not my style class xD #chanters4life (get that shît trending xD) You should learn to build your own party. I reckon it would be fairly easier for you to assemble a team since you can tank/dps/support/etc. All you probably need is a bishop + 2 of any other class. If you were, say for example, a sniper/assassin it would be harder to assemble a team since you need a to recruit a tank, then the tank would need a healer, then the healer needs an MP healer, all in specifics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 7:12:49 GMT
I think its the same for all classes. If someone dont need it (sorry for the term) they dont bother to search for it. Im a ninja and in boss killing especially that SK was released they are really in demand but opposite when it comes to grinding. My gladiator always gets PT in grinding but not in farming My Assassin gets Boss farm PT but rarely gets grind pt. Now SK has been released they dont even bother to ask me to use assassin. Thats the sad truth if someone cannot bring a much convenience for everyone they'll prefer the other one. For example a ninja SK who dealt high dmg in bosses and mobs being ignored in Grind because with SK or not theyre still non aoe. Same I think for Assassin and most especially for enchanters. it really sucks, I have always been enchanter, I love the class so much. But I'm always alone cause no one wants me. Very rarely will I come across a knowlagable person and I tank for a pt and have a blast doing it. Hell I'm a hybrid chanter, I can m blade spam, dps, support, tank, you name it. I've done my research on every class and knows how I should play for a certain pt. Example: Party: enchanter (me) pally, bish, and a monk. First think I would do is cast magic barrier on everyone, increasing are hp and def, then on the monk I would buff him or her with enchant wep and draw. This is where it gets fun, the pally would get ready and run at the boss and start fighting, all the while I'm spamming stone skin on the pally making him godlike (joke) all the while I'm also mp healing the bishop, monk, and pally. Also doing some support damage here ad there if needed. Needles to say I think the game would we so much fun if people took the time to learn about each class, and I know how they work. So I'd say subconsciously I'm angry at ninjas because in most cases they keep me from getting a pt. It just sucks always playing alone. That's why my eyes light up with joy when I come across a player that knows what's up... I won't hate ninja in genral anymore, but it's still not my style class xD #chanters4life (get that shît trending xD) Thats what most people lacks with. The knowledge and awareness about different classes. Sad to say people goes with Mainstream now. Dont lose hope and keep shouting for awareness. I used to be an enchanter not a pro but I know how the struggles are. Also its not just about enchanters. Its all about classes. I hate ninjas even I am one, well a personal reason only and doesnt affect my game. What I do is form a PT when I cant find but you cant avoid that sometimes if they see me that Im a ninja (non aoe) or an Assassin (non aoe and needs to poisition first) they leave and then afterwards they'll shout LFM Mins/Hw/Bish/Geo Sounds like they prefer easy kill well everyone does but trying other classes that has the same efficiency with the mainstream gang is fun. So in the end I'll solo.
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