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Post by HawkEyè5 on Dec 27, 2014 5:28:40 GMT
Any Assassins or Snipers find it hard to find a pt for bosses or just in general.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Dec 27, 2014 5:31:06 GMT
Most dont when they are a high level. Whwn under lvl 140 thwy are usually to fragile and easily out dpsed by the other classes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 6:02:17 GMT
Early on its difficult to get a party because if you are a lowbie they expect you not to be geared fully. I love AR snipers tho, there damage is pretty fast.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 29, 2014 19:58:43 GMT
It's because all they provide is DPS pretty much. They add little things here and there but like 95% of their contribution is DPS, probably why both hunters have the highest DPS in the game from 140+ and on. You would think people would be jumping at the opportunity to get these top tier DPS classes but they actually rely on the party entirely. High Wizards frequently don't want to MP the Hunters at all(or almost anyone for that matter but mostly just Hunters) and they rely on them to MP them. Strangely Enchanters aren't as stingy usually, probably because that is the entire reason they are partied sometimes.
Also Assassins have no AOE at all(at least until 260+ with a skill that isn't even out in JP yet) and Snipers don't REALLY do good AOE damage until 240. People love AOE's for EXP parties but Assassin's DPS alone can make up for no AOE.
Basically a lot of High Wizards don't like Hunters and most EXP parties are AOE parties. If it is a single target party it's usually a Ninja tanking and they can't keep hate from you if you are decently geared, then you don't have MP and most Hwiz don't like single target parties. However, Enchanters have better hate management than Ninjas(even pre Mblade) and can MP the party. The Enchanter needs to know how to keep hate though...Which all Enchanters should know how to do but most don't.
Good luck with your Sniper journey though! It gets way, WAY easier to level at 240. Until then come up with some sort of single target party for EXP(Enchanter, Ninja, Sniper, and Assassin).
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Dec 29, 2014 20:42:51 GMT
It's because all they provide is DPS pretty much. They add little things here and there but like 95% of their contribution is DPS, probably why both hunters have the highest DPS in the game from 140+ and on. Ummmm....... not at all lol
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 29, 2014 21:34:38 GMT
It's because all they provide is DPS pretty much. They add little things here and there but like 95% of their contribution is DPS, probably why both hunters have the highest DPS in the game from 140+ and on. Ummmm....... not at all lol Not at all to which part? That all they contribute is DPS pretty much or that they have the highest DPS in the game? Aside from Serum, other stat prevention buffs, the hate buff from sins, the Backstab stun, and Freeze shot from Snipers to boost Monk damage they only do DPS. While all that sounds like a lot none of it is anything more than nifty to have especially with new bosses that just debuff that stat resist buffs and it either doesn't matter to the party or they need to remove the stat immediately and can't rely on a Sniper's reaction. To the part about them having the highest DPS from 140+ on, thats true. Now I'm not saying a level 140 Assassin will out damage a level capped High Wizard(although if the Hwiz was poorly geared and the Sin was well geared they would). I'm saying a 140+ Assassin or Sniper will pretty much out DPS other classes at similar levels and gear. High Wizards can't, Ninjas can't, Gladiators can't, Samurai can't, and Monks can't out DPS them. High Wizards and Monks can come close but that's about it. Including AOE Snipers will out damage High Wizards easily pass 240 and probably a little bit before as well. Sins will out damage High Wizards before 240 regardless of having an AOE or not. After it more so depends on who has the better gear. High Wizards will get more of an edge to sins since AOE is more efficient though so they will kill faster even though the damage difference is small. High Wizards are also self sufficient and stuff so that helps lol. Anyways this is sorta halfway off topic. This sorta shows the bias against Single Target DPS though and Assassin. People don't seem to understand the numbers that Assassin's can put out at all.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Dec 29, 2014 22:15:52 GMT
Ummmm....... not at all lol Not at all to which part? That all they contribute is DPS pretty much or that they have the highest DPS in the game? Aside from Serum, other stat prevention buffs, the hate buff from sins, the Backstab stun, and Freeze shot from Snipers to boost Monk damage they only do DPS. While all that sounds like a lot none of it is anything more than nifty to have especially with new bosses that just debuff that stat resist buffs and it either doesn't matter to the party or they need to remove the stat immediately and can't rely on a Sniper's reaction. To the part about them having the highest DPS from 140+ on, thats true. Now I'm not saying a level 140 Assassin will out damage a level capped High Wizard(although if the Hwiz was poorly geared and the Sin was well geared they would). I'm saying a 140+ Assassin or Sniper will pretty much out DPS other classes at similar levels and gear. High Wizards can't, Ninjas can't, Gladiators can't, Samurai can't, and Monks can't out DPS them. High Wizards and Monks can come close but that's about it. Including AOE Snipers will out damage High Wizards easily pass 240 and probably a little bit before as well. Sins will out damage High Wizards before 240 regardless of having an AOE or not. After it more so depends on who has the better gear. High Wizards will get more of an edge to sins since AOE is more efficient though so they will kill faster even though the damage difference is small. High Wizards are also self sufficient and stuff so that helps lol. Anyways this is sorta halfway off topic. This sorta shows the bias against Single Target DPS though and Assassin. People don't seem to understand the numbers that Assassin's can put out at all. Yea I can see where your coming from now. My gm is assassin ive seen the numbers. Disregard my first post lol. @topic Guess the class is just rare/hard to lvl and most people dont see outside of a pally/wiz/bishop pt.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 29, 2014 22:35:53 GMT
Not at all to which part? That all they contribute is DPS pretty much or that they have the highest DPS in the game? Aside from Serum, other stat prevention buffs, the hate buff from sins, the Backstab stun, and Freeze shot from Snipers to boost Monk damage they only do DPS. While all that sounds like a lot none of it is anything more than nifty to have especially with new bosses that just debuff that stat resist buffs and it either doesn't matter to the party or they need to remove the stat immediately and can't rely on a Sniper's reaction. To the part about them having the highest DPS from 140+ on, thats true. Now I'm not saying a level 140 Assassin will out damage a level capped High Wizard(although if the Hwiz was poorly geared and the Sin was well geared they would). I'm saying a 140+ Assassin or Sniper will pretty much out DPS other classes at similar levels and gear. High Wizards can't, Ninjas can't, Gladiators can't, Samurai can't, and Monks can't out DPS them. High Wizards and Monks can come close but that's about it. Including AOE Snipers will out damage High Wizards easily pass 240 and probably a little bit before as well. Sins will out damage High Wizards before 240 regardless of having an AOE or not. After it more so depends on who has the better gear. High Wizards will get more of an edge to sins since AOE is more efficient though so they will kill faster even though the damage difference is small. High Wizards are also self sufficient and stuff so that helps lol. Anyways this is sorta halfway off topic. This sorta shows the bias against Single Target DPS though and Assassin. People don't seem to understand the numbers that Assassin's can put out at all. Yea I can see where your coming from now. My gm is assassin ive seen the numbers. Disregard my first post lol. @topic Guess the class is just rare/hard to lvl and most people dont see outside of a pally/wiz/bishop pt. Truest words ever spoken lol.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Dec 30, 2014 5:31:22 GMT
When I was sniper I found it hard to form a party because I realized I am auxillary. When I get a bishop, we cant duo unless bishop can tank, so we wait for a tank. After getting the tank, bishop will need hw so he can spam heal tank. So you see, a tank bish hw can grind without you, but you cant grind if one of them is missing.
If I was still a sniper now, I would probably duo with a ninja tank and probably add an mp healer, although they can still duo without you too.
Most complain I get was from hw. I had one hw complain that he had to mp me too frequent. And I didnt even ask him to mp me. I had mail full stacks of mp pots. I could feed the whole party with mp pots and not worry about running out. I just dont get it with hw and mp heal, I wish that hw didnt have this skill so they wouldnt have to complain. XD
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Dec 30, 2014 5:42:02 GMT
Ive found samu like snipers. And if you're friends with samu bishop and Hwiz more like to come around
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Dec 30, 2014 5:45:13 GMT
Lol when on my h.wiz i really love having a sniper and assassin in my party....if they bring their own pots e.e
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 30, 2014 6:14:56 GMT
When I was sniper I found it hard to form a party because I realized I am auxillary. When I get a bishop, we cant duo unless bishop can tank, so we wait for a tank. After getting the tank, bishop will need hw so he can spam heal tank. So you see, a tank bish hw can grind without you, but you cant grind if one of them is missing. If I was still a sniper now, I would probably duo with a ninja tank and probably add an mp healer, although they can still duo without you too. Most complain I get was from hw. I had one hw complain that he had to mp me too frequent. And I didnt even ask him to mp me. I had mail full stacks of mp pots. I could feed the whole party with mp pots and not worry about running out. I just dont get it with hw and mp heal, I wish that hw didnt have this skill so they wouldnt have to complain. XD . Snipers and Assassins can grind with a halfway decent Enchanter present . It is a little bit less common of a class though and most don't use any sort of hate gear ever either :/. Here is my theory on why a lot of HW complain or refuse to MP others: High Wizards have consistently been top tier at pretty much every point in the game. They are very used to doing the most damage. Before Megaroches high HP exp mobs really didn't exist or were crappy. At that point AOE ruled by far and High Wizards basically leeched whoever they partied with. They were the most valuable party member in every party pretty much so they didn't really want to deal with other party members MP while being the fastest killers. A lot kept this mindset long after Roches were released and classes started to be closer in damage to the Hwiz. Newer Hwiz probably followed these other more experienced Hwiz and that's why even the new ones don't like to MP others. That or they did MQ with a Ninja and they are like: "ZOMG Ninja so low maintenance, other classes need to be MPed more often so they suck". This also explains horrible Bishops running around. You can tell when they are used to healing Ninjas as they almost never heal the tank and just spam Resurrect when the boss doesn't do any sort of OHKO or big hit. Hunters in general usually know what they are doing at bosses and EXP parties at least Except when they initiate stuff and die. I just tell them they live life on the edge by initiating like that. They just get excited.
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Post by Nouvelle Vague on Dec 30, 2014 9:31:37 GMT
When I was sniper I found it hard to form a party because I realized I am auxillary. When I get a bishop, we cant duo unless bishop can tank, so we wait for a tank. After getting the tank, bishop will need hw so he can spam heal tank. So you see, a tank bish hw can grind without you, but you cant grind if one of them is missing. If I was still a sniper now, I would probably duo with a ninja tank and probably add an mp healer, although they can still duo without you too. Most complain I get was from hw. I had one hw complain that he had to mp me too frequent. And I didnt even ask him to mp me. I had mail full stacks of mp pots. I could feed the whole party with mp pots and not worry about running out. I just dont get it with hw and mp heal, I wish that hw didnt have this skill so they wouldnt have to complain. XD . I would say 2 words: F*** Logic! HW who are complaining becouse they must regen mp of other pt members should think about they role in pt. I suggest Bishops stop healing others coz they took dmg and die too often... You know what is even worse? Ppl who want farm boss. You create pt, you have tank, bish, hw and dps. Everyone is ready to buff and go. Can someone explain me why the hell everyone first go inside boss room and then start buffing pt? Or just themselves and in half of fight they start cryin: Bishop whers my bless?!" Same thing with retarded ninjas. They always stay close to the rest of pt. Even when I say that ill cast divine bless. Same situation with paly/glad warcry buff. And now solution for this problems! Its very easy. 1. Do NOT help new players with mq 2. Do NOT boost new players 3. Tell new players HOW TO instead of playing for them How it helps? It's simple. When they start playin by themselves they will learn how to play solo and in party. They will learn what their class is for and they will get more knowledge about game, coz lvl 170+ askin me what boss drop exelis and where he can find him is quite hilarious. Ofc Im only talkin about NEW players, not alts. Sry for this little oftopic.
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Post by wsplisw on Dec 30, 2014 10:37:35 GMT
Snipers and Assassins can grind with a halfway decent Enchanter present . It is a little bit less common of a class though and most don't use any sort of hate gear ever either :/. Here is my theory on why a lot of HW complain or refuse to MP others: High Wizards have consistently been top tier at pretty much every point in the game. They are very used to doing the most damage. Before Megaroches high HP exp mobs really didn't exist or were crappy. At that point AOE ruled by far and High Wizards basically leeched whoever they partied with. They were the most valuable party member in every party pretty much so they didn't really want to deal with other party members MP while being the fastest killers. A lot kept this mindset long after Roches were released and classes started to be closer in damage to the Hwiz. Newer Hwiz probably followed these other more experienced Hwiz and that's why even the new ones don't like to MP others. That or they did MQ with a Ninja and they are like: "ZOMG Ninja so low maintenance, other classes need to be MPed more often so they suck". This also explains horrible Bishops running around. You can tell when they are used to healing Ninjas as they almost never heal the tank and just spam Resurrect when the boss doesn't do any sort of OHKO or big hit. Hunters in general usually know what they are doing at bosses and EXP parties at least Except when they initiate stuff and die. I just tell them they live life on the edge by initiating like that. They just get excited. High Wizards work now is pretty much than do damage now (for be real they stay most time healing mp than actually hitting mob, because new bosses love to drain all you mp ._.), they heal mp like crazy, heal party friends (some bishop take long time to heal and all die ._.), they cast freeze on bosses or mobs to help other classes to deal more damage, even when blizz doesn´t damage. Now party with snipers and assassins is really diff... their mp burn in secs and u must keep mping him, It´s all lazyness lol... you keep more as support than actually damagers (I hate hear LFM MP HEALER, hey I can use skills other than mana recharge q.q), but as we have this skill is our fate... Sorry for out topic
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Post by jahleel07 on Dec 31, 2014 8:00:50 GMT
certainly not a must for us, snipers/ assassins, but really helps - get a veltria xtal :3
it pisses me before when this hw said snipers are useless (no need to mention name) because we cant heal, than was the time vasaria is the newest tower boss, so i said "lol, if only i can heal you i would, but we cant so sorry", and then he/she shut up
even nowadays, i still dont get a lot of pt invites, so i made and lead a pt more :3
well im used to being a solo player, leveling with my alt bishop nowadays in nommar :3
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