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Post by Sinner on Dec 31, 2014 19:01:57 GMT
It is hard finding a party. That is no doubt. But only til 180+ on most current bosses. 220+ on a few others, like almas, in an Assassin's case (unless deathblow spammer, then farming here can start sooner). I recommend leveling until 180, getting gear together, then try farming at bosses.
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Post by godofafro on Jan 1, 2015 9:49:38 GMT
The disparity between classes is little now- but past stat release after ep 3, you can easily tell the difference between a tank, support, dps role in a party.
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Post by Vetkin on Jan 1, 2015 10:59:23 GMT
a very good explanation provided, i am an assassin (currently very new to this class). I get less PT invitation as i like to run solo and i hate when a people ask me to kill a boss that can OHKO me. Well, i am a very low in hp but i can keep avoiding all those attack and magic attack that normally can kill all the mage class... They did not knew the full power of a hunter class thus they just think off that a hunter is really useless...
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Post by nica on Jan 26, 2015 16:11:23 GMT
Hi guys,
I just found this thread.
The First Char i played was a h.wiz, and I loved it. I Ever loved to pt with Hunter class, i remembers atg, we Ever had a Hunter, He bufft US (serum) and so i had no Problem, to give him mp back. The cleric did his Job and heal me. And later at naga quest, was the Same.
Then i quit playing Iruna for half a year and when i went back to play, the hunters are Hard to find. And the h.wiz is more mp healer and the bishop cast his aoe.
I decided not to be h.wiz anymore and now I Do a monk.
A few days ago, i was at h.ent grinding exp, and pt an App. H.wiz at 121, the only thing the h.wiz did, was mp me and when he/she (dont rememeber) recognized that i did Not need his mp he left pt.
An other Day at h.ent i was in pt with an other monk, i get a h.wiz that know his Job, then I pted a bishop. The only thing the bishop did, was tell the h.wiz to mp him, so He can spam his aoe. The bishop did no buff to us other.
After a few Minuten i dispanded this pt. That was no fun that was awful.
To all bishops out there, i wish u Support ur pt and let the h.wiz do his Job DAMAGE!
For all who Not know, recharge mp is a life Steal from h.wiz HP, so if a h.wiz mp u thank him, Best take ur Pots and and make use of them.
Aoe for bishop, ok, but when a h.wiz is in pt, let the h.wiz damage, buff ur pt.
If u dont like to Support ur pt, go solo or take an other Job. If u want a h.wiz mp u, one time,ok,most of the time, no way. Ur the supporter. I did Not know asobimo made h.wiz just to mp the bishop. And there is no Job called mp healer.
I wish, everyone know her/his Job well. When I get my First guild, they told me about the Jobs, what's possible, what Not, which stat to choose and why.
Now the guild tell the newbies, go to drafbourg and beggar for pt.
I remembers that a Player about Lv. 60 asked me, where is Telete forest? Hugh?
Best thing will be, let them beggar, dont pt newbies better tell them, where they could Lv at their own level
And so I say: I WANT THE HUNTERS BACK. WHERE ARE YOU.? The Best pts i had, was always with the Hunter class. Fast and Deadly and soooo much fUn.
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 26, 2015 18:35:43 GMT
nica People got lazy working on AR sniper is what I assume. They also learned they could go ninja and do DoC instead of AR. Ive talked to many bow ninjas and most say they started out as hunter or sniper.
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Post by nica on Jan 26, 2015 20:58:04 GMT
nica People got lazy working on AR sniper is what I assume. They also learned they could go ninja and do DoC instead of AR. Ive talked to many bow ninjas and most say they started out as hunter or sniper. I have so many Ninjas around me: in guild, in friend List. Yes be Ninja maybe cool, but Too many Ninjas around there. All classes have great and awsome skills, most go ninja, why its solo play style. But only go ninja to say, I am many Hit me if u can? |
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Post by sushi on Jan 27, 2015 6:14:19 GMT
I was a Hunter determined to be Ninja (first stats was AGI anyway, so I'd just go Hunter, whatever; omfg Degizman mq)
I look for willing mp healers when I grind for exp - these are Wizards, not High Wizards. I wouldn't pt with HW if what they'll do is just to mp heal - besides the waste of AoE damage not being cast, the exp cuts a lot for LVL140+ too. So I call for a Cleric (no Bishops) to join just for healing. And a Sniper to be with me, and surprisingly, the grind is really fast. Clerics can usually heal really decent even at low levels, so the exp boost from these guys are always nice... I'm sorry...I pledge guilty for boosting too ;_; Now that Stat Release is out....i just...need them. T^T
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Post by elk on Jan 30, 2015 19:12:44 GMT
Hi guys, I just found this thread. The First Char i played was a h.wiz, and I loved it. I Ever loved to pt with Hunter class, i remembers atg, we Ever had a Hunter, He bufft US (serum) and so i had no Problem, to give him mp back. The cleric did his Job and heal me. And later at naga quest, was the Same. Then i quit playing Iruna for half a year and when i went back to play, the hunters are Hard to find. And the h.wiz is more mp healer and the bishop cast his aoe. I decided not to be h.wiz anymore and now I Do a monk. A few days ago, i was at h.ent grinding exp, and pt an App. H.wiz at 121, the only thing the h.wiz did, was mp me and when he/she (dont rememeber) recognized that i did Not need his mp he left pt. An other Day at h.ent i was in pt with an other monk, i get a h.wiz that know his Job, then I pted a bishop. The only thing the bishop did, was tell the h.wiz to mp him, so He can spam his aoe. The bishop did no buff to us other. After a few Minuten i dispanded this pt. That was no fun that was awful. To all bishops out there, i wish u Support ur pt and let the h.wiz do his Job DAMAGE! For all who Not know, recharge mp is a life Steal from h.wiz HP, so if a h.wiz mp u thank him, Best take ur Pots and and make use of them. Aoe for bishop, ok, but when a h.wiz is in pt, let the h.wiz damage, buff ur pt. If u dont like to Support ur pt, go solo or take an other Job. If u want a h.wiz mp u, one time,ok,most of the time, no way. Ur the supporter. I did Not know asobimo made h.wiz just to mp the bishop. And there is no Job called mp healer. I wish, everyone know her/his Job well. When I get my First guild, they told me about the Jobs, what's possible, what Not, which stat to choose and why. Now the guild tell the newbies, go to drafbourg and beggar for pt. I remembers that a Player about Lv. 60 asked me, where is Telete forest? Hugh? Best thing will be, let them beggar, dont pt newbies better tell them, where they could Lv at their own level And so I say: I WANT THE HUNTERS BACK. WHERE ARE YOU.? The Best pts i had, was always with the Hunter class. Fast and Deadly and soooo much fUn. Unfortunately earthquake is far weaker than nemesis. And only if the bishop uses +mp consumption will they need mp heals, take same stat some equp same level bishop and hwiz(pre imperial) And the bishop will out damage most of the pt. As per hunter classes most went ninja because no one pts them even at 240+ i still didn't get pt at megas so i solo at nommars. The reason this class is disappearing and classes like bishop are so self centered is because how others treat them, hwiz being big headed pally only wanting hp etc. It makes the game less fun. The hunter classes will go ninja because they are wanted more but people complain about too many ninjas but the people created that mess. Bishops go solo because they don't need anyone to level. If anything you should appreciate a bishop, and cherish a hunter. I hated having to go auto attack on my sniper to level because lack of pt. And hwiz is lazy they have valued buffs so they only look after themself. Outside of attacking they can contribute mp because they offer no other pt buff and it takes like 1mp charge to fill a hunter. Is just lazy. So concerned about what buffs recieved from others they don't have none to offer themself. And seriously, they have drain. Use it and you won't have to be healed. Hwiz whining about mp charge is selfish when the class is mostly centered around themself one thing and that's too much to ask? Ridiculous xD |
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Post by elk on Jan 30, 2015 19:31:08 GMT
Now let's think of this mathematically, take all the classes and make them the same level lets say 160 for arguments sake. Now it takes roughly 4 second for hwiz to cast e.quake, and it does around 30kish. Now take a sniper and assassin, they do about 30-50k per second depending on d.bstab or para proc but let's just take the steady 30k
So in a exp pt hardly anything is one shot kill roche, balor,nomnar and high ents being the popular bit. When 3are targeted in 4 second intervals hwiz does total of about 90k. But in those 4 seconds a hunter class would do about 120k. And things with high hp like roche that's a lot. Now the best form of exp is exp over time and we all know how slow the mega rate is. With a sniper/sin you'll eliminate one faster than the other allowing the other classes to bring in a new mega and you begin cycling through megas so you're never without one which will increase your exp over time. And a lot of people don't realize this so the class will die aside from the handful that have the passion to stick it through.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Jan 30, 2015 19:33:28 GMT
Now let's think of this mathematically, take all the classes and make them the same level lets say 160 for arguments sake. Now it takes roughly 4 second for hwiz to cast e.quake, and it does around 30kish. Now take a sniper and assassin, they do about 30-50k per second depending on d.bstab or para proc but let's just take the steady 30k So in a exp pt hardly anything is one shot kill roche, balor,nomnar and high ents being the popular bit. When 3are targeted in 4 second intervals hwiz does total of about 90k. But in those 4 seconds a hunter class would do about 120k. And things with high hp like roche that's a lot. Now the best form of exp is exp over time and we all know how slow the mega rate is. With a sniper/sin you'll eliminate one faster than the other allowing the other classes to bring in a new mega and you begin cycling through megas so you're never without one which will increase your exp over time. And a lot of people don't realize this so the class will die aside from the handful that have the passion to stick it through. Most of the best skills are at 220+. Im sure a sniper could solo a megaroche faster than a bishop could at 160 but as soon as that bishop hits 180 the sniper is done for. And also with the exp over time thing: The constant pot usage by the hunters and durability issues especially at lvl.160 would reduce the damage over time compared to a lot of other classes. The more upkeep(heal, mp, keeping mobs away from them etc) spent on sin/sniper means less time that the others could do what they should do. For example, high wiz could be mping an assassin/sniper every 30secs when it could be dealing damage too. |
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Post by elk on Jan 30, 2015 19:51:23 GMT
Now let's think of this mathematically, take all the classes and make them the same level lets say 160 for arguments sake. Now it takes roughly 4 second for hwiz to cast e.quake, and it does around 30kish. Now take a sniper and assassin, they do about 30-50k per second depending on d.bstab or para proc but let's just take the steady 30k So in a exp pt hardly anything is one shot kill roche, balor,nomnar and high ents being the popular bit. When 3are targeted in 4 second intervals hwiz does total of about 90k. But in those 4 seconds a hunter class would do about 120k. And things with high hp like roche that's a lot. Now the best form of exp is exp over time and we all know how slow the mega rate is. With a sniper/sin you'll eliminate one faster than the other allowing the other classes to bring in a new mega and you begin cycling through megas so you're never without one which will increase your exp over time. And a lot of people don't realize this so the class will die aside from the handful that have the passion to stick it through. Most of the best skills are at 220+. Im sure a sniper could solo a megaroche faster than a bishop could at 160 but as soon as that bishop hêits 180 the sniper is done for. And also with the exp over time thing: The constant pot usage by the hunters and durability issues especially at lvl.160 would reduce the damage over time compared to a lot of other classes. The more upkeep(heal, mp, keeping mobs away from them etc) spent on sin/sniper means less time that the others could do what they should do. For example, high wiz could be mping an assassin/sniper every 30secs when it could be dealing damage too. in a full pt hence "so in a exp pt" and it legitimately takes 1 mp charge to fill it and its instant cast and 1 second delay there's no excuse xD And i also was referring to h.wiz and hunter class. Also at 220+ hwiz the only class they gets more dmg? Even then hunter class still has insane damage you just don't notice because its not 100k every few seconds is 70k+ every one second. Even then bishops are outclassed because they don't gain much matk anymore, my bishop has nearly 5k matk and still doesn't out dmg my sniper |
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 30, 2015 20:57:26 GMT
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Jan 30, 2015 23:24:45 GMT
These are just some examples of what these two classes can do. I think what just happens is sniper/assassin are expected to tank and when they can't people feel they're useless. Snipers and especially assassins with hate gear has usually been the best tanks ive ever seen because they deal such high/fast damage if you have a res spamming bishop. Their tanking ability might be a little underestimated too! Most of the best skills are at 220+. Im sure a sniper could solo a megaroche faster than a bishop could at 160 but as soon as that bishop hêits 180 the sniper is done for. And also with the exp over time thing: The constant pot usage by the hunters and durability issues especially at lvl.160 would reduce the damage over time compared to a lot of other classes. The more upkeep(heal, mp, keeping mobs away from them etc) spent on sin/sniper means less time that the others could do what they should do. For example, high wiz could be mping an assassin/sniper every 30secs when it could be dealing damage too. in a full pt hence "so in a exp pt" and it legitimately takes 1 mp charge to fill it and its instant cast and 1 second delay there's no excuse xD And i also was referring to h.wiz and hunter class. Also at 220+ hwiz the only class they gets more dmg? Even then hunter class still has insane damage you just don't notice because its not 100k every few seconds is 70k+ every one second. Even then bishops are outclassed because they don't gain much matk anymore, my bishop has nearly 5k matk and still doesn't out dmg my sniper ijs that you stopped at lvl. 160 which is just the 2nd phase of a full class. Most of the full classes dont even have their main skills or dont even have enough stat points to make use of them. In high wizard and sniper cases, Sniper is almost always geared for dps (skill deay/damage/stats) while high wizard is usually limited by its xtals (some add skill delay,Cost increase, etc). For the past few days ive restated my high wizard to a pure spellburst build and I use only skill delay/matk/cast/spellburst gear. The results were insane especially with meteor storm. 70ks every 3 secs, normally, 80ishk with spellboost, mana stock throws in a 120k one time, and if imperial comes next 350kish was posible over 6 seconds. |
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Post by nica on Jan 31, 2015 13:31:27 GMT
Its so sadly most Players who First go hunter change to ninja only why they get Hard or no pt.
But if other Players like bishops or h.wiz would Not change their minds and help joung hunters to grow up they will later complain that. They will not have a very good dps class for out coming New bosses. U never can benefit from their really good buffs when Ur r not willIng to pt them.
A ninja is good dps, yes, but he has no thing for pt members to give (as i know) and u have to heal him on bosses that stun.
Most hunters do ninja cause of solo ability but when an assassin is in high levels thats a really good solo class case of their high dps.An assassin kills or is killed. Snipers also. Both r great classes.
And looking After pt members to be healed, isnt that the Main Job of a bishop?!
The Main Job from h.wiz is Deal high elemental damage. With the knowing of the weakness from mobs and bosses.
The Main job of a paladin is protect their Team members with their Tank ability.
The main Job of assassins and snipers is Deal high damage why should thes Tank?
In my partys the Hunter class is welcome, Ever!
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Post by wsplisw on Jan 31, 2015 15:18:02 GMT
Hi guys, I just found this thread. The First Char i played was a h.wiz, and I loved it. I Ever loved to pt with Hunter class, i remembers atg, we Ever had a Hunter, He bufft US (serum) and so i had no Problem, to give him mp back. The cleric did his Job and heal me. And later at naga quest, was the Same. Then i quit playing Iruna for half a year and when i went back to play, the hunters are Hard to find. And the h.wiz is more mp healer and the bishop cast his aoe. I decided not to be h.wiz anymore and now I Do a monk. A few days ago, i was at h.ent grinding exp, and pt an App. H.wiz at 121, the only thing the h.wiz did, was mp me and when he/she (dont rememeber) recognized that i did Not need his mp he left pt. An other Day at h.ent i was in pt with an other monk, i get a h.wiz that know his Job, then I pted a bishop. The only thing the bishop did, was tell the h.wiz to mp him, so He can spam his aoe. The bishop did no buff to us other. After a few Minuten i dispanded this pt. That was no fun that was awful. To all bishops out there, i wish u Support ur pt and let the h.wiz do his Job DAMAGE! For all who Not know, recharge mp is a life Steal from h.wiz HP, so if a h.wiz mp u thank him, Best take ur Pots and and make use of them. Aoe for bishop, ok, but when a h.wiz is in pt, let the h.wiz damage, buff ur pt. If u dont like to Support ur pt, go solo or take an other Job. If u want a h.wiz mp u, one time,ok,most of the time, no way. Ur the supporter. I did Not know asobimo made h.wiz just to mp the bishop. And there is no Job called mp healer. I wish, everyone know her/his Job well. When I get my First guild, they told me about the Jobs, what's possible, what Not, which stat to choose and why. Now the guild tell the newbies, go to drafbourg and beggar for pt. I remembers that a Player about Lv. 60 asked me, where is Telete forest? Hugh? Best thing will be, let them beggar, dont pt newbies better tell them, where they could Lv at their own level And so I say: I WANT THE HUNTERS BACK. WHERE ARE YOU.? The Best pts i had, was always with the Hunter class. Fast and Deadly and soooo much fUn. Unfortunately earthquake is far weaker than nemesis. And only if the bishop uses +mp consumption will they need mp heals, take same stat some equp same level bishop and hwiz(pre imperial) And the bishop will out damage most of the pt. As per hunter classes most went ninja because no one pts them even at 240+ i still didn't get pt at megas so i solo at nommars. The reason this class is disappearing and classes like bishop are so self centered is because how others treat them, hwiz being big headed pally only wanting hp etc. It makes the game less fun. The hunter classes will go ninja because they are wanted more but people complain about too many ninjas but the people created that mess. Bishops go solo because they don't need anyone to level. If anything you should appreciate a bishop, and cherish a hunter. I hated having to go auto attack on my sniper to level because lack of pt. And hwiz is lazy they have valued buffs so they only look after themself. Outside of attacking they can contribute mp because they offer no other pt buff and it takes like 1mp charge to fill a hunter. Is just lazy. So concerned about what buffs recieved from others they don't have none to offer themself. And seriously, they have drain. Use it and you won't have to be healed. Hwiz whining about mp charge is selfish when the class is mostly centered around themself one thing and that's too much to ask? Ridiculous xD Well, as you say "they" often referred to hw means you don´t have one or so... if have you should know that mp recharge cost ur hp and not just the mp 1 and isnt a bit hp, is a significant part of it. Other thing is that there are lazy hw yes, but there´s others that do their jobs as support and dps. Before coming here and saying hw are lazy try manage a full party mp while doing damage and inflicting illness like freeze or paralysis, because if u don´t do anything instead of mp healing your a bad one  . Drain isn´t like bless LMAO, it have a interval of 4 or 5 secs before heals again a random value that just heals 3k+ and barely touchs 4k. Personally I like to party snipers and assassins since their support and damage are awesome. Ridiculous is post such thing if not even know the other class effects |
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. Drain isn´t like bless LMAO, it have a interval of 4 or 5 secs before heals again a random value that just heals 3k+ and barely touchs 4k. Personally I like to party snipers and assassins since their support and damage are awesome. Ridiculous is post such thing if not even know the other class effects 