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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 31, 2015 16:50:03 GMT
Unfortunately earthquake is far weaker than nemesis. And only if the bishop uses +mp consumption will they need mp heals, take same stat some equp same level bishop and hwiz(pre imperial) And the bishop will out damage most of the pt. As per hunter classes most went ninja because no one pts them even at 240+ i still didn't get pt at megas so i solo at nommars. The reason this class is disappearing and classes like bishop are so self centered is because how others treat them, hwiz being big headed pally only wanting hp etc. It makes the game less fun. The hunter classes will go ninja because they are wanted more but people complain about too many ninjas but the people created that mess. Bishops go solo because they don't need anyone to level. If anything you should appreciate a bishop, and cherish a hunter. I hated having to go auto attack on my sniper to level because lack of pt. And hwiz is lazy they have valued buffs so they only look after themself. Outside of attacking they can contribute mp because they offer no other pt buff and it takes like 1mp charge to fill a hunter. Is just lazy. So concerned about what buffs recieved from others they don't have none to offer themself. And seriously, they have drain. Use it and you won't have to be healed. Hwiz whining about mp charge is selfish when the class is mostly centered around themself one thing and that's too much to ask? Ridiculous xD Well, as you say "they" often referred to hw means you don´t have one or so... if have you should know that mp recharge cost ur hp and not just the mp 1 and isnt a bit hp, is a significant part of it. Other thing is that there are lazy hw yes, but there´s others that do their jobs as support and dps. Before coming here and saying hw are lazy try manage a full party mp while doing damage and inflicting illness like freeze or paralysis, because if u don´t do anything instead of mp healing your a bad one . Drain isn´t like bless LMAO, it have a interval of 4 or 5 secs before heals again a random value that just heals 3k+ and barely touchs 4k. Personally I like to party snipers and assassins since their support and damage are awesome. Ridiculous is post such thing if not even know the other class effects Drain is more than enough to keep up with mp in exp parties. In bosses I can how that's a problem but bishops should be healing mostly then. I've MPed parties while tanking on enchanter before. It really isn't a big deal. Hwiz probably should do it to steal less hate as I lose hate occasionally when I do it.
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Post by wsplisw on Jan 31, 2015 17:20:31 GMT
Well, as you say "they" often referred to hw means you don´t have one or so... if have you should know that mp recharge cost ur hp and not just the mp 1 and isnt a bit hp, is a significant part of it. Other thing is that there are lazy hw yes, but there´s others that do their jobs as support and dps. Before coming here and saying hw are lazy try manage a full party mp while doing damage and inflicting illness like freeze or paralysis, because if u don´t do anything instead of mp healing your a bad one . Drain isn´t like bless LMAO, it have a interval of 4 or 5 secs before heals again a random value that just heals 3k+ and barely touchs 4k. Personally I like to party snipers and assassins since their support and damage are awesome. Ridiculous is post such thing if not even know the other class effects Drain is more than enough to keep up with mp in exp parties. In bosses I can how that's a problem but bishops should be healing mostly then. I've MPed parties while tanking on enchanter before. It really isn't a big deal. Hwiz probably should do it to steal less hate as I lose hate occasionally when I do it. The problem is how is hard to find a bishop willing to taking a grind party while can do it solo really fast and with almost double exp, also its diff if u have a guildie or friend bishop lol. If there's no bishop, mping becomes hard since it need be stopped to heal HP and when u get ur HP back the party mp is burning and there you go to start spot, what becomes boring and repetitive, even when its part of our job.
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Post by nica on Feb 1, 2015 0:42:04 GMT
as h.wiz in a full pt, with using drain, u mp lets say First the Tank, Pally, next the maybe hunter then u give mp to the bish, and u must keep urself alive. Cause the bishop mostly heal the others While he think drain is enough, no thats Not. Mostly h.wiz dy in such case. I remembers well. u Cant cast really good to help damaging to make grinding or farm bosses faster and easier. most u cannot cast, because the First one u mped cries for mp, then the next and so on. Is it so hard to farm or buy u Pots to use? U can use if u need? I remembers well the times i mped bishops and never get bless or a thank. Most of the time I see ppl cry for mp, no can u pls help me out or pls give me mp, No all they say is:mp. Do a bishop like if someone only tell them: bless, heal? No they dont, why should a h.wiz only mp? And the fun Part most hunters have Pots and make use of, they buff most of the time without beggar for mp, so its an other case to help. Mostly the ppl who play the Hunter class are more social, less selfish. If u look a bit deeper, u also created ur own hunter job why u dont have enough hunters to pt.
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Post by digemeat on Feb 1, 2015 1:17:55 GMT
From my experience, once a bishop gets Revelation, the Bishop and the Paladin no longer need to be mp'd by a High Wizard. They both become self sustaining. A dps on the other hand will not be without mana spell/pots.
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Feb 1, 2015 3:44:58 GMT
as h.wiz in a full pt, with using drain, u mp lets say First the Tank, Pally, next the maybe hunter then u give mp to the bish, and u must keep urself alive. Cause the bishop mostly heal the others While he think drain is enough, no thats Not. Mostly h.wiz dy in such case. I remembers well. u Cant cast really good to help damaging to make grinding or farm bosses faster and easier. most u cannot cast, because the First one u mped cries for mp, then the next and so on. Is it so hard to farm or buy u Pots to use? U can use if u need? I remembers well the times i mped bishops and never get bless or a thank. Most of the time I see ppl cry for mp, no can u pls help me out or pls give me mp, No all they say is:mp. Do a bishop like if someone only tell them: bless, heal? No they dont, why should a h.wiz only mp? And the fun Part most hunters have Pots and make use of, they buff most of the time without beggar for mp, so its an other case to help. Mostly the ppl who play the Hunter class are more social, less selfish. If u look a bit deeper, u also created ur own hunter job why u dont have enough hunters to pt. I agree Hwiz shouldn't have to just mp heal. From the first time I played and found out Iruna has a 4 slot party system I've been upset. An RPG party is 5 slots to me. With 5 slots you could throw in enchanter and have them mp heal and attack. Hwiz could focus on straight damaging and occasionally mp heal. Bishop would heal tank and DPS and use ranged attacks. BOOM PERFECT PARTY. But we have 4 slot party so always an unwanted job is put on someone. I've been in pt where tank was only healer.
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 1, 2015 4:51:18 GMT
From my experience, once a bishop gets Revelation, the Bishop and the Paladin no longer need to be mp'd by a High Wizard. They both become self sustaining. A dps on the other hand will not be without mana spell/pots. So you've never fought a boss that depletes the entire party's mp?
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Feb 1, 2015 5:47:30 GMT
Tilt doesnt mp. Even to hunters. Better buy some pots!!
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Post by elk on Feb 2, 2015 3:41:03 GMT
These are just some examples of what these two classes can do. I think what just happens is sniper/assassin are expected to tank and when they can't people feel they're useless. Snipers and especially assassins with hate gear has usually been the best tanks ive ever seen because they deal such high/fast damage if you have a res spamming bishop. Their tanking ability might be a little underestimated too! in a full pt hence "so in a exp pt" and it legitimately takes 1 mp charge to fill it and its instant cast and 1 second delay there's no excuse xD And i also was referring to h.wiz and hunter class. Also at 220+ hwiz the only class they gets more dmg? Even then hunter class still has insane damage you just don't notice because its not 100k every few seconds is 70k+ every one second. Even then bishops are outclassed because they don't gain much matk anymore, my bishop has nearly 5k matk and still doesn't out dmg my sniper ijs that you stopped at lvl. 160 which is just the 2nd phase of a full class. Most of the full classes dont even have their main skills or dont even have enough stat points to make use of them. In high wizard and sniper cases, Sniper is almost always geared for dps (skill deay/damage/stats) while high wizard is usually limited by its xtals (some add skill delay,Cost increase, etc). For the past few days ive restated my high wizard to a pure spellburst build and I use only skill delay/matk/cast/spellburst gear. The results were insane especially with meteor storm. 70ks every 3 secs, normally, 80ishk with spellboost, mana stock throws in a 120k one time, and if imperial comes next 350kish was posible over 6 seconds. 350k in 6 seconds is still below a sniper, they can do almost double that in the same time frame, people only see cross for damage when area rain does a good 30-50k each tick which goes around a sec too, so in total they do around 100k+ per sec >.>
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Post by elk on Feb 2, 2015 3:53:32 GMT
Unfortunately earthquake is far weaker than nemesis. And only if the bishop uses +mp consumption will they need mp heals, take same stat some equp same level bishop and hwiz(pre imperial) And the bishop will out damage most of the pt. As per hunter classes most went ninja because no one pts them even at 240+ i still didn't get pt at megas so i solo at nommars. The reason this class is disappearing and classes like bishop are so self centered is because how others treat them, hwiz being big headed pally only wanting hp etc. It makes the game less fun. The hunter classes will go ninja because they are wanted more but people complain about too many ninjas but the people created that mess. Bishops go solo because they don't need anyone to level. If anything you should appreciate a bishop, and cherish a hunter. I hated having to go auto attack on my sniper to level because lack of pt. And hwiz is lazy they have valued buffs so they only look after themself. Outside of attacking they can contribute mp because they offer no other pt buff and it takes like 1mp charge to fill a hunter. Is just lazy. So concerned about what buffs recieved from others they don't have none to offer themself. And seriously, they have drain. Use it and you won't have to be healed. Hwiz whining about mp charge is selfish when the class is mostly centered around themself one thing and that's too much to ask? Ridiculous xD Well, as you say "they" often referred to hw means you don´t have one or so... if have you should know that mp recharge cost ur hp and not just the mp 1 and isnt a bit hp, is a significant part of it. Other thing is that there are lazy hw yes, but there´s others that do their jobs as support and dps. Before coming here and saying hw are lazy try manage a full party mp while doing damage and inflicting illness like freeze or paralysis, because if u don´t do anything instead of mp healing your a bad one . Drain isn´t like bless LMAO, it have a interval of 4 or 5 secs before heals again a random value that just heals 3k+ and barely touchs 4k. Personally I like to party snipers and assassins since their support and damage are awesome. Ridiculous is post such thing if not even know the other class effects I actually do have a hwiz, and I'm a very experienced player so I'm aware of the ins and outs of most classes, its not hard to mp someone I find most players to only be looking out for themselves hwiz being a big percent of the gaming community they're just higher probability that it's going to be a bad hwiz,and not mping the party is kinda like the bishop not healing the tank it all needs to work together to flow evenly. The other day I was in a pt with a ninja 40 lvls over mine and I'd rip hate with hwiz so I toned it down focused on debuffs DMG a and healing mp things started to flow well. Hwiz is the only class with a mp heal, "we shouldn't have to use that skill we get at lvl 50! Yeah bring pots!" Bring your own HP pots and don't expect the bishop to heal you if you got that mindset xD
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Feb 2, 2015 5:00:01 GMT
I'd take a mp healing enchanter with medium damage over a hwiz who wants to tank. Not saying hwiz shouldn't attack. It's just like elk said having a bishop say bring your own pots. I don't go saying bring your own vaccine or cure. I use all my buffs before and during battle. If someone dies I rebuff everyone. The problem is hwiz have to individually mp heal so it breaks their chain of attack a lot if they start to mp heal.
My main point still WE NEED 5 SLOT PARTY!!!!!
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Feb 2, 2015 5:21:53 GMT
I'd take a mp healing enchanter with medium damage over a hwiz who wants to tank. Not saying hwiz shouldn't attack. It's just like elk said having a bishop say bring your own pots. I don't go saying bring your own vaccine or cure. I use all my buffs before and during battle. If someone dies I rebuff everyone. The problem is hwiz have to individually mp heal so it breaks their chain of attack a lot if they start to mp heal. My main point still WE NEED 5 SLOT PARTY!!!!! Why would the high wiz be tanking anyway??
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Feb 2, 2015 5:25:42 GMT
I'd take a mp healing enchanter with medium damage over a hwiz who wants to tank. Not saying hwiz shouldn't attack. It's just like elk said having a bishop say bring your own pots. I don't go saying bring your own vaccine or cure. I use all my buffs before and during battle. If someone dies I rebuff everyone. The problem is hwiz have to individually mp heal so it breaks their chain of attack a lot if they start to mp heal. My main point still WE NEED 5 SLOT PARTY!!!!! Why would the high wiz be tanking anyway?? Not everyone who plays this game understands roles in this game like you OP guys do. Some people just hack n' slash til it's dead. Like my first post in this thread it was hard for me to find pt. So I had to settle for whoever was around.
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Post by Roxzen on Feb 2, 2015 5:33:36 GMT
Why would the high wiz be tanking anyway?? Not everyone who plays this game understands roles in this game like you OP guys do. Some people just hack n' slash til it's dead. Like my first post in this thread it was hard for me to find pt. So I had to settle for whoever was around. You dun have to be OP to understand party roles it just takes practice .-.
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Post by wsplisw on Feb 2, 2015 15:03:12 GMT
Well, as you say "they" often referred to hw means you don´t have one or so... if have you should know that mp recharge cost ur hp and not just the mp 1 and isnt a bit hp, is a significant part of it. Other thing is that there are lazy hw yes, but there´s others that do their jobs as support and dps. Before coming here and saying hw are lazy try manage a full party mp while doing damage and inflicting illness like freeze or paralysis, because if u don´t do anything instead of mp healing your a bad one . Drain isn´t like bless LMAO, it have a interval of 4 or 5 secs before heals again a random value that just heals 3k+ and barely touchs 4k. Personally I like to party snipers and assassins since their support and damage are awesome. Ridiculous is post such thing if not even know the other class effects I actually do have a hwiz, and I'm a very experienced player so I'm aware of the ins and outs of most classes, its not hard to mp someone I find most players to only be looking out for themselves hwiz being a big percent of the gaming community they're just higher probability that it's going to be a bad hwiz,and not mping the party is kinda like the bishop not healing the tank it all needs to work together to flow evenly. The other day I was in a pt with a ninja 40 lvls over mine and I'd rip hate with hwiz so I toned it down focused on debuffs DMG a and healing mp things started to flow well. Hwiz is the only class with a mp heal, "we shouldn't have to use that skill we get at lvl 50! Yeah bring pots!" Bring your own HP pots and don't expect the bishop to heal you if you got that mindset xD If you don´t know Enchanters also have mp heal lol, and using hp pots wont help much on a pt with another 3 people needing mp, because you know... the HP cost isn´t a little bit and item delay isn´t one sec. No one said that we shouldn´t use the mana recharge... of course we need recover mp of the other members but that isn´t just what we got, what makes me sad is hear that "Hw are lazy" or "Lfm mp heal", game becomes boring when people think that know more than you about your duty on party xD
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Post by ξℓεgεทςε on Feb 2, 2015 15:33:03 GMT
This is why I kept my circle of people I interact with low. The egos with people on this game is a disappointment. When I was younger, games was nothing like "this is the best class", "I'm not about to MP heal", etc. Everyone enjoyed helping each other out without looking so negatively on the downsides. If you're in a party with members in it, it doesn't hurt at all to take just a few seconds out your way to help someone. You're not doing anything MAJOR at all IF YOU'RE ON THE GAME. People taking these games too seriously, and it's not even a pretty sight to see. I know when I party with any class that have the ability to aid players with MP, have consumables. Don't always expect it because players similar to Tilt, would leave you being disappointed.
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