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Post by HawkEyè5 on Feb 2, 2015 15:45:54 GMT
I get it some Hwiz don't want to mp heal. Just know it upsets the flow at levels below 180. Hunter class knows that need to be self sufficient. Learned it from day 1. DPS classes are going to require mp heal some or most of the time. People usually only ask for mp if they feel they are going to lead the party and do the most damage. If you don't want to replenish mp then be the one who kills the mob or does the most damage. Hwiz can do amazing damage seen it done a lot.
No hate but my wizard class favorite is enchanter.
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 2, 2015 17:08:16 GMT
To answer the OP...Hunter class feels left out from the combination of being heavily MP reliant while the wizard class feels disrespected being called "MP healers". It's insane to expect a group of people to work cooperatively to reach a common goal when they don't respect each other.
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Post by ManaKhe on Feb 2, 2015 17:12:07 GMT
I'd take a mp healing enchanter with medium damage over a hwiz who wants to tank. Not saying hwiz shouldn't attack. It's just like elk said having a bishop say bring your own pots. I don't go saying bring your own vaccine or cure. I use all my buffs before and during battle. If someone dies I rebuff everyone. The problem is hwiz have to individually mp heal so it breaks their chain of attack a lot if they start to mp heal. My main point still WE NEED 5 SLOT PARTY!!!!! Why would the high wiz be tanking anyway?? Mega single target parties. The Hwiz spams tbolt on the megaroche while DPS kill it. It's basically non existent at higher levels but in the 140-180 range it happens.
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Post by jaffet03 on Jul 30, 2015 9:16:46 GMT
btw u don mention an ench here hehe btw ench can do solo so even no party like i do but i help people and boost any low level if im leveling at baum and i did not party on hwiz bish all party tyoe class cause they just dupe me saying slow kill no aoe and leave me wtf they just blessed with aoe and dmg and become big headed?
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Aug 1, 2015 0:46:18 GMT
With introduction of the magic snipers this could change. Magic snipers slit int and Dex evenly per lvl up with vit lagging behind almost 70-80 points. Magic snipers make use of the new magic bows. The int effects the spam rate and power of magic bows Dex help with accuracy and Atk while vit helps with HP and def.
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Post by bikini on Aug 2, 2015 21:51:21 GMT
I really hate give mp too, hw got low hp, and not funny lose 10%hp each MP while im skilling/mp myself. Also other class ask mp like hunters, easy thing is search mins and all classes will be happy with MP.
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Post by super n00b on Aug 2, 2015 23:22:34 GMT
Personally for me, I don't get partied due to my level and because people think I'm not geared properly and don;t have the right equips.. ._. Which isn't true but they don't know that because they didn;t wanna party me.. *** But Hunters are pretty pot reliant because of the skills they spam.. I personally believe that just because you're in a party doesn't mean that you stop being self sufficient by waiting for someone to HP or MP you... I personally MP myself (unless the Wizard/ Enchanter MPs me first) because I'm the person who knows when I'm low on MP and HP..
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Post by ManaKhe on Aug 3, 2015 0:05:24 GMT
With introduction of the magic snipers this could change. Magic snipers slit int and Dex evenly per lvl up with vit lagging behind almost 70-80 points. Magic snipers make use of the new magic bows. The int effects the spam rate and power of magic bows Dex help with accuracy and Atk while vit helps with HP and def. Magic Bows have been out for forever and due to the crappy stats on the ones currently they are awful. If you had a Monk use Chakra on you while having max INT you will still do less damage than if you were using a regular bow and Chakra is a massive ATK increase on INT users. Snipers have 0 issues with EXP pass level 240. At this point they do much higher damage than anyone else can do with AOE. They can also do this solo mostly as it's an MP efficient skill as well. Also Sniper+VIT=No. Well not entirely no I should say but VIT is completely unnecessary for them and they probably aren't gonna go around soloing most bosses even if they have max VIT. Snipers kind of have the same problem as Bishops did back when Nemesis came out. No one wants them until they are 240+ but once they are 240+ they completely overshadow everyone in AOE. Assassin however is still can't AOE and nothing has enough HP for their high single target damage to really make much of a difference. So that's why they are left out.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Aug 3, 2015 6:35:06 GMT
With introduction of the magic snipers this could change. Magic snipers slit int and Dex evenly per lvl up with vit lagging behind almost 70-80 points. Magic snipers make use of the new magic bows. The int effects the spam rate and power of magic bows Dex help with accuracy and Atk while vit helps with HP and def. Magic Bows have been out for forever and due to the crappy stats on the ones currently they are awful. If you had a Monk use Chakra on you while having max INT you will still do less damage than if you were using a regular bow and Chakra is a massive ATK increase on INT users. Snipers have 0 issues with EXP pass level 240. At this point they do much higher damage than anyone else can do with AOE. They can also do this solo mostly as it's an MP efficient skill as well. Also Sniper+VIT=No. Well not entirely no I should say but VIT is completely unnecessary for them and they probably aren't gonna go around soloing most bosses even if they have max VIT. Snipers kind of have the same problem as Bishops did back when Nemesis came out. No one wants them until they are 240+ but once they are 240+ they completely overshadow everyone in AOE. Assassin however is still can't AOE and nothing has enough HP for their high single target damage to really make much of a difference. So that's why they are left out. Your right magic bows been out but this build has not and apperantly its pretty op. Because it focases on mass spamming of spells in addition to your normal atks obviously the build could use some work which is why I purchased an alt so I could experiment with it.
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Post by ManaKhe on Aug 3, 2015 15:42:03 GMT
Magic Bows have been out for forever and due to the crappy stats on the ones currently they are awful. If you had a Monk use Chakra on you while having max INT you will still do less damage than if you were using a regular bow and Chakra is a massive ATK increase on INT users. Snipers have 0 issues with EXP pass level 240. At this point they do much higher damage than anyone else can do with AOE. They can also do this solo mostly as it's an MP efficient skill as well. Also Sniper+VIT=No. Well not entirely no I should say but VIT is completely unnecessary for them and they probably aren't gonna go around soloing most bosses even if they have max VIT. Snipers kind of have the same problem as Bishops did back when Nemesis came out. No one wants them until they are 240+ but once they are 240+ they completely overshadow everyone in AOE. Assassin however is still can't AOE and nothing has enough HP for their high single target damage to really make much of a difference. So that's why they are left out. Your right magic bows been out but this build has not and apperantly its pretty op. Because it focases on mass spamming of spells in addition to your normal atks obviously the build could use some work which is why I purchased an alt so I could experiment with it. Builds been out as well. It's just everyone realized it wasn't good so they switched back. What spells would you be mass spamming? If you are talking about auto skills then I would like to tell you not even any Enchanters use Magic Bows for that lol.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Aug 3, 2015 16:35:33 GMT
Simple really.
Die too often, sin and sniper steal agro majority of the time so they die too easy. Always need to be healed and mped.
Their op dmg is admissible when looked at how much maintenance is required to keep them around in parties.
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Post by Eaysley on Aug 4, 2015 22:37:57 GMT
Lack of AOE. Ench has the same problem. Sniper's AOE comes at 240 (who needs a leveling PT at 240+, everyone just do dgear)
That's the price to pay for very high DPS from hunter classes to make the game balanced. They're basically glass canons.
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Post by kūkan on Aug 5, 2015 15:33:34 GMT
Pretty sure many others have already saod the basics on why the hunter class is so left out im just gonna add my input. Sniper and assassin being my Favorite jobs in game (cant tank/can barely solo) i know but mainly i love dps jobs i remember having my Sniper at like lv 160 and couldn't find a party at all unless with friends. i realized really ppl only wanted the main jobs like (Pally/bish/wiz/other? Ninja, minstrel [support] ect.) Anyways jobs are left out cuz they cant help or contribute as mich to the party until they are a higher level (learned this the hard way) so i did myself a favor and made an alt on a separate device and leveled my sniper same for my assassin. Im used to playing as a ninja or a tank but ik the pain of not getting a party. Easiest to find friends/Guildmates to party with but yea Snipers are a Dying job as snipers arent wanted as a low level so ppl end up going Ninja or Minstrel same goes for assassin (noy sure if they dying or not but ik they arent easy to get parties with) most of the snipers nowadays that are wanted in parties theyre already high enough to solo and do what they want to do solo (most not all like boss farms) if yall decide on making a sniper or assassin try and find good guilds or friends to party with cuz hunter classes arent wanted as much as most classes (ninja/Hwiz) just saying this in my opinion no one gotta agree or disagree with this post o.o
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Post by absolutezero12 on Aug 6, 2015 16:07:49 GMT
As an Enchanter with access to Mana Recharge, I usually MP Heal without being asked just because parties are formed for one reason: to help one another. I never complain about having to do it "too much" or even at all. Honestly for High Wizards who do have a problem with that, why are you in the party to begin with? If you want to blow stuff up, you can do that on your own. If others are there to help you out, be glad you're getting it, be a team player, and shut the hell up.
Sorry for the rant. Er-herm.
Yeah I rarely see Assassins, much less Snipers. As said earlier it might be due to the fact they really only have high numbers going for them. They seem to lack sustainability, that other classes seem to have to some degree. Mage bases have Drain and MP Heal, Monks can heal, Pallies can heal, Ninjas can make clones that take damages for them, etc. since their damages don't really get extraordinary until later levels, people might be too impatient to use them, or the lack of them being wanted in parties makes people rather want to play as another class or quit the game altogether.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Aug 7, 2015 4:42:04 GMT
The most op class without a doubt is sniper but no one is willing to lvl it. Allow me to put this in perspective a sniper in Iruna is like when the atomic bombs were being made and tested.at first the blasts though deadly are minimal but through effort, time, and help you get a platunium bomb capable of leveling the enterity of Asia.
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