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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 12:39:35 GMT
my argument never revolved around ninjas. IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID you'd know i'm going on about the armors and the stats and the SYNERGY. PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, you still need attack to get past the barriers, otherwise you still have bad dps. Wtf do you mean by "you still need attack to get past barriers"? It's always +100 damage. A level 1 could do that much damage to any enemy with that armor on. You're a special kind of person Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4 you don't understand the concept of true damage, yet call me special? you must truly be retarded.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 12:54:18 GMT
I'm done here. Se's proved nothing but to be an obnoxious person who thinks she knows it all. I find that extremely funny coming from you. You should climb down of the pony, your arguments might have some weight afterwards.
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Post by reaper17 on Aug 16, 2014 18:48:14 GMT
Cool story hoe, I'm sure guys have a GOOD TIME with you. Lol Anyway you've said nothing to defend what we've actually been talking about, you just came to to say some petty insults. Now we know for sure that you're a special kind of person.
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optimizing the self to benefit the whole.
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Post by ggtalon on Aug 16, 2014 20:05:47 GMT
came here for info. 6 pages later. still no info. kinda seeing it as this: you want skill delay for spells? exe up (reup somewhere is the vast and distant future..do you have it?>keep it) planning on doin some dps? ultimi (monk, sin, etc etc. not really gonna recommend for ninja ._. dont have it but have exe? dont worry about it)
also the crit up stat plays to both crit dmg and crit rate. those 2 categories fall within "critical up."
I could see an argument about ultimi for enchanter also, but dunk reup will have autoskill +5% which imo will have me using that.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 20:23:55 GMT
Cool story hoe, I'm sure guys have a GOOD TIME with you. Lol Anyway you've said nothing to defend what we've actually been talking about, you just came to to say some petty insults. Now we know for sure that you're a special kind of person. And Reaper with the K.O. !! xD
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 20:29:55 GMT
Cool story hoe, I'm sure guys have a GOOD TIME with you. Lol Anyway you've said nothing to defend what we've actually been talking about, you just came to to say some petty insults. Now we know for sure that you're a special kind of person. if FACTS are petty insults then let them be. PS: i bet you're really fun at parties.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 20:34:39 GMT
Cool story hoe, I'm sure guys have a GOOD TIME with you. Lol Anyway you've said nothing to defend what we've actually been talking about, you just came to to say some petty insults. Now we know for sure that you're a special kind of person. if FACTS are petty insults then let them be. Answer some questions for me truthfully. - What level are you? Do you have proof? - Do you OWN any of the said armors/gears? - Have you TESTED your theory about Melee+ damage on bosses? What were your results? - Can you demonstrate your results to me while wearing said gears? No avatars or accessory allowed, as to make sure ONLY said gears are used. - Now tell me, do you feel invalid after realizing you were wrong? Not an attack. A challenge. You feel you're right. We all know we're right. You've yet to truly back your argument. We all have backed ours. Offering you one last chance.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 20:39:05 GMT
if FACTS are petty insults then let them be. Answer some questions for me truthfully. - What level are you? Do you have proof? - Do you OWN any of the said armors/gears? - Have you TESTED your theory about Melee+ damage on bosses? What were your results? - Can you demonstrate your results to me while wearing said gears? No avatars or accessory allowed, as to make sure ONLY said gears are used. - Now tell me, do you feel invalid after realizing you were wrong? Not an attack. A challenge. You feel you're right. We all know we're right. You've yet to truly back your argument. We all have backed ours. Offering you one last chance. lvl 175 magic ninja, lvl 168 paladin, 158 monk. (how is my level relevant when it has nothing to do with the discussion?) i've personally tested the armors/effects/status. true damage isn't affected by any factors, attack/defense/barriers/hp. (was that too hard to understand?) damage that ignores barrier like let's say assault. is attack dependant, the results are pretty self explanatory at what point am i wrong?. Mr know it all.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 20:49:40 GMT
Answer some questions for me truthfully. - What level are you? Do you have proof? - Do you OWN any of the said armors/gears? - Have you TESTED your theory about Melee+ damage on bosses? What were your results? - Can you demonstrate your results to me while wearing said gears? No avatars or accessory allowed, as to make sure ONLY said gears are used. - Now tell me, do you feel invalid after realizing you were wrong? Not an attack. A challenge. You feel you're right. We all know we're right. You've yet to truly back your argument. We all have backed ours. Offering you one last chance. lvl 175 magic ninja, lvl 168 paladin, 158 monk. i've personally tested the armors/effects/status. true damage isn't affected by any factors, attack/defense/barriers/hp. damage that ignores barrier like let's say assault. is attack dependant, the results are pretty self explanatory at what point am i wrong?. Melee doesn't have an effect on ANY listed stat. It's an unlisted stat, like critical damage/rate, absolute accuracy/evasion, spell burst rate, etc. Melee damage is damage that hits past any barriers and mob defenses. The fact that you own a monk and don't understand this is a shameful thing. Monks tend to prioritize melee gear as it helps when fighting high defense bosses and shell break takes affect. Guardians damage based from HP is also considered MELEE damage. That 2-3k damage extra you hit on bosses during the purple barriers with a paladin (given your hp is high enough) is melee damage. You're not even 200+ yet you talk as if you're a capper and know the game inside and out. My characters (Current & Past) Bishop 238 High Wizard 238 (Shared) Ninja 195 (JP) (Tried nail, spec bow and magic with this toon) Paladin 187 High Wizard 163 (JP) Samurai 160 Gladiator 156 Sniper 150 Enchanter 143 (deleted) Monk 148 (turned Ninja) Of the armors and gears/xtals with Melee+ I own Ultimi, Variant, Koda II, Magonza xtal Bosses I've tested with these gears: Mezzaluna, Magonza, Beelzetor (Purple barriers) Jabek, Leaf Dragon, and a few others can't think of (High defense to where damage is 1. You still have yet to show me anything to prove you right.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 20:56:35 GMT
lvl 175 magic ninja, lvl 168 paladin, 158 monk. i've personally tested the armors/effects/status. true damage isn't affected by any factors, attack/defense/barriers/hp. damage that ignores barrier like let's say assault. is attack dependant, the results are pretty self explanatory at what point am i wrong?. Melee doesn't have an effect on ANY listed stat. It's an unlisted stat, like critical damage/rate, absolute accuracy/evasion, spell burst rate, etc. Melee damage is damage that hits past any barriers and mob defenses. The fact that you own a monk and don't understand this is a shameful thing. Monks tend to prioritize melee gear as it helps when fighting high defense bosses and shell break takes affect. Guardians damage based from HP is also considered MELEE damage. That 2-3k damage extra you hit on bosses during the purple barriers with a paladin (given your hp is high enough) is melee damage. You're not even 200+ yet you talk as if you're a capper and know the game inside and out. My characters (Current & Past) Bishop 238 High Wizard 238 (Shared) Ninja 195 (JP) (Tried nail, spec bow and magic with this toon) Paladin 187 High Wizard 163 (JP) Samurai 160 Gladiator 156 Sniper 150 Enchanter 143 (deleted) Monk 148 (turned Ninja) Of the armors and gears/xtals with Melee+ I own Ultimi, Variant, Koda II, Magonza xtal Bosses I've tested with these gears: Mezzaluna, Magonza, Beelzetor (Purple barriers) Jabek, Leaf Dragon, and a few others can't think of (High defense to where damage is 1. You still have yet to show me anything to prove you right. guardian damage isn't true damage it's attack and hp based. true damage is independent of any factor. crt dmg is affected by attack/crt crt rate is affected by crt.. evasion is affected by natural gain/eva spellburst rate is affected by crt. monks don't really need melee BECAUSE THEY HAVE SHELLBREAK to get past those defences/barriers. let's have a look at shellbreak, it's attack and crit dependant. ps: don't need to be capped to know my things.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 21:21:11 GMT
Melee doesn't have an effect on ANY listed stat. It's an unlisted stat, like critical damage/rate, absolute accuracy/evasion, spell burst rate, etc. Melee damage is damage that hits past any barriers and mob defenses. The fact that you own a monk and don't understand this is a shameful thing. Monks tend to prioritize melee gear as it helps when fighting high defense bosses and shell break takes affect. Guardians damage based from HP is also considered MELEE damage. That 2-3k damage extra you hit on bosses during the purple barriers with a paladin (given your hp is high enough) is melee damage. You're not even 200+ yet you talk as if you're a capper and know the game inside and out. My characters (Current & Past) Bishop 238 High Wizard 238 (Shared) Ninja 195 (JP) (Tried nail, spec bow and magic with this toon) Paladin 187 High Wizard 163 (JP) Samurai 160 Gladiator 156 Sniper 150 Enchanter 143 (deleted) Monk 148 (turned Ninja) Of the armors and gears/xtals with Melee+ I own Ultimi, Variant, Koda II, Magonza xtal Bosses I've tested with these gears: Mezzaluna, Magonza, Beelzetor (Purple barriers) Jabek, Leaf Dragon, and a few others can't think of (High defense to where damage is 1. You still have yet to show me anything to prove you right. guardian damage isn't true damage it's hp based. true damage is independent of any factor. crt dmg is affected by attack/crt crt rate is affected by crt.. evasion is affected by natural gain/eva spellburst rate is affected by crt. monks don't really need melee BECAUSE THEY HAVE SHELLBREAK to get past those defences/barriers. let's have a look at shellbreak, it's attack and crit dependant. ps: don't need to be capped to know my things. Lol, if you really played your monk, you'd know that regardless of shell break, monks have naturally lower damage with physical attacks than most. Shell break also has a proc rate, so when you're not shell breaking, what are you hitting if you don't have melee+ gear? Every good monk that I know of at least has a pair of upgraded kodas and a magonza xtal in their main armor. Last I checked, those give melee increases. And I never called Guardian True damage or whatever tf bull you're making up. I said it's MELEE. I didn't say you had to be capped to know your stuff, but you should be a lot closer than you are before claiming to know everything. As I said, meet me in game and prove me wrong. You have a ninja. Surely you're not afraid to test its damage on a boss with purple barrier. We know it'll hit 1 with physical. But how bout physical with melee+? You claim that doesn't pass barriers. Prove me wrong. I get out of work in 6 hours. I'll meet you in game at Mezzaluna then. I'll bring my bishop so I can heal you. Make it interesting, let's put spina on the line. You've been so sure this whole time, surely you wouldn't mind betting 10m or so. Small bet to a genius like you.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 21:25:02 GMT
guardian damage isn't true damage it's hp based. true damage is independent of any factor. crt dmg is affected by attack/crt crt rate is affected by crt.. evasion is affected by natural gain/eva spellburst rate is affected by crt. monks don't really need melee BECAUSE THEY HAVE SHELLBREAK to get past those defences/barriers. let's have a look at shellbreak, it's attack and crit dependant. ps: don't need to be capped to know my things. Lo, if you really played your monk, you'd know that regardless of shell break, monks have naturally lower damage with physical attacks than most. Shell break also has a proc rate, so when you're not shell breaking, what are you hitting if you don't have melee+ gear? Every good monk that I know of at least has a pair of upgraded kodas and a magonza xtal in their main armor. Last I checked, those give melee increases. And I never called Guardian True damage or whatever tf bull you're making up. I said it's MELEE. I didn't say you had to be capped to know your stuff, but you should be a lot closer than you are before claiming to know everything. As I said, meet me in game and prove me wrong. You have a ninja. Surely you;re not afraid to test its damage on a boss with purple barrier. We know it'll hit 1 with physical. But how bout physical with melee+? You claim that doesn't pass barriers. Prove me wrong. I get out of work in 6 hours. I'll meet you in game at Mezzaluna then. I'll bring my bishop so I can heal you. Make it interesting, let's put spina on the line. You've been so sure this whole time, surely you wouldn't mind betting 10m or so. Small bet to a genius like you. i'm not claiming it doesn't pass barriers, you're putting words in my mouth like an idiot lol. i'm saying that melee+, the stat from armor/xtals (true damage) isn't affected by any stat/barrier/Effect. whereas other effects like kodachi's depend on crit. i would end up hitting my actual damage with the true damage without being part of the dmg calculation formula. was that really too hard for you to understand?
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 21:43:27 GMT
Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ my argument never revolved around ninjas. IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID you'd know i'm going on about the armors and the stats and the SYNERGY. PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, you still need attack to get past the barriers, otherwise you still have bad dps. Once again, quoted. Dismiss yourself. You don't even realize what you're saying now.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 21:45:31 GMT
my argument never revolved around ninjas. IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID you'd know i'm going on about the armors and the stats and the SYNERGY. PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, you still need attack to get past the barriers, otherwise you still have bad dps. Once again, quoted. Dismiss yourself. You don't even realize what you're saying now. if you read what i said. defence/barriers/attack/stats aren't even in the melee+ equation. because they are not factors. if there was an equation in which defence barriers would be in it, then it would ignore it. but like i said, they're not part of the equation. a simpler version for you. a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. there's peanut butter, there's jelly, there's bread. and then comes the milk, which is not in the pb&j equation.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 21:50:32 GMT
I did read what you said. Right now you're changing your earlier arguments.
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