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Post by Eyrie Malevoire on Aug 15, 2014 2:48:31 GMT
It's really hard to explain when people doesnt really understand or even not trying to understand what I'm explaining. And why is Ultimi half of Schwartz? The stats of Schwartz is already INSIDE of Ultimi and Ultimi has Melee(Increase physical normal damage) and skill delay(better for cloning faster, you cant rely on evasion forever especially for bosses/mobs that hits accurately and very fast).
PS: Before saying anything else, try it yourselves.
PSS: About that Exelis vs Ultimi, I think its better for the people to decide themselves what to use. If they want having faster cooldowns then Exelis would be the best(wait for the upgrade). If you want better damage and a little bit of faster cooldown, Ultimi is the way to go.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 15, 2014 3:13:24 GMT
It's really hard to explain when people doesnt really understand or even not trying to understand what I'm explaining. And why is Ultimi half of Schwartz? The stats of Schwartz is already INSIDE of Ultimi and Ultimi has Melee(Increase physical normal damage) and skill delay(better for cloning faster, you cant rely on evasion forever especially for bosses/mobs that hits accurately and very fast). PS: Before saying anything else, try it yourselves. PSS: About that Exelis vs Ultimi, I think its better for the people to decide themselves what to use. If they want having faster cooldowns then Exelis would be the best(wait for the upgrade). If you want better damage and a little bit of faster cooldown, Ultimi is the way to go. you have longer cooldown with ultimi.
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Post by godofafro on Aug 15, 2014 4:00:38 GMT
For an assassin point of view, for now ultimi would be better due to crit dmg +10%. The switch to another armor while waiting for exelis re up isnt that bad to be honest
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Post by kafuka on Aug 15, 2014 4:14:35 GMT
I'm failing to understand this as well.. Schwartz: Max HP-30/20%, Critical Up Ultimi: Matk+6%, Critical Up, Delay -0.5s (item & skill, don't forget), Melee+100, Accuracy+50, Absolute Evasion+5% So, I see the half schwartz, but it's the half everyone wants. As for the exelis, part. How is it the bad half? No one uses exelis for anything but looks, skill delay, and sometimes evasion. No one can even remember anything else about the armor most times. So, while ultimi has half the amount of skill delay, it is still superior for dps gear. Also, I'll add, I would rather place a magonza in either armor than a cerberus. Cerberus I'd more use for special if STR is below 200, or can't acquire a Beelzenoid. With Vida now added for additional gear, cerberus is truly obsolete for any crt user with strength as a stat. beelzenoid only works for builds with 200+ STR, vida was barely released yesterday (for me atleast), and from testing crt dmg+% beats attack +%, only time you'd need attack+% over crt dmg+% is if your attack is low and can't get past the mobs defences. and i'd say people use ultimi over exelis for looks, since i can actually reach higher matk without losing skill delay in exelis in ratio. and i'd like actual sauce on the crt rate affecting spellburst, because i call bs, since there'd be no point in gear with spellburst rate+%, and going by that logic autoskill+% should affect spellburst, and crt rate would also affect shellbreak/double attack, since they're passives with trigger chances that are affected by autoskill., with each THEIR OWN TRIGGER RATES BASED ON CRT. easy crt rate set = fuma up +30, dunkelheit up+15, aulis gale+20. I believe that if it really does add a better chance, it's because it's CRITICAL UP. Not crt rate% As in, you just added 10 crit past what you really have. Like when cap is over 256 spellburst and other things that are triggered by crit can proc even more. And also, if 10 crit really is just +1% sb activation then there really is a point in sb gear. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 15, 2014 12:10:56 GMT
beelzenoid only works for builds with 200+ STR, vida was barely released yesterday (for me atleast), and from testing crt dmg+% beats attack +%, only time you'd need attack+% over crt dmg+% is if your attack is low and can't get past the mobs defences. and i'd say people use ultimi over exelis for looks, since i can actually reach higher matk without losing skill delay in exelis in ratio. and i'd like actual sauce on the crt rate affecting spellburst, because i call bs, since there'd be no point in gear with spellburst rate+%, and going by that logic autoskill+% should affect spellburst, and crt rate would also affect shellbreak/double attack, since they're passives with trigger chances that are affected by autoskill., with each THEIR OWN TRIGGER RATES BASED ON CRT. easy crt rate set = fuma up +30, dunkelheit up+15, aulis gale+20. I believe that if it really does add a better chance, it's because it's CRITICAL UP. Not crt rate% As in, you just added 10 crit past what you really have. Like when cap is over 256 spellburst and other things that are triggered by crit can proc even more. And also, if 10 crit really is just +1% sb activation then there really is a point in sb gear. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4 your whole argument is invalid because critical up = crt rate+10 crt dmg+10%.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 15, 2014 15:50:38 GMT
It's really hard to explain when people doesnt really understand or even not trying to understand what I'm explaining. And why is Ultimi half of Schwartz? The stats of Schwartz is already INSIDE of Ultimi and Ultimi has Melee(Increase physical normal damage) and skill delay(better for cloning faster, you cant rely on evasion forever especially for bosses/mobs that hits accurately and very fast). PS: Before saying anything else, try it yourselves. PSS: About that Exelis vs Ultimi, I think its better for the people to decide themselves what to use. If they want having faster cooldowns then Exelis would be the best(wait for the upgrade). If you want better damage and a little bit of faster cooldown, Ultimi is the way to go. Maybe it's an language thing, but I guess what you meant to say is that Schwartz is half of Ultimi, not the other way around... Edit: sorry, it looks like you were not the one who orig said that "ulitimy is half of schwartz" thing.
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Post by super n00b on Aug 15, 2014 20:15:40 GMT
WOOOOAAHH White Exelis??? @3@ do you have a SS/video of this armor? Must look epic owo Looks pretty awesome *^* Sky showed it to me once. Don't have the pic anymore sadly.
Just for you aroxis Dunno if you still wanna see it but... here's white exelis...
{Click Me!}{ Spoiler. Click Me!} **Credits go to the OP of this pic**
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 15, 2014 20:37:05 GMT
beelzenoid only works for builds with 200+ STR, vida was barely released yesterday (for me atleast), and from testing crt dmg+% beats attack +%, only time you'd need attack+% over crt dmg+% is if your attack is low and can't get past the mobs defences. and i'd say people use ultimi over exelis for looks, since i can actually reach higher matk without losing skill delay in exelis in ratio. and i'd like actual sauce on the crt rate affecting spellburst, because i call bs, since there'd be no point in gear with spellburst rate+%, and going by that logic autoskill+% should affect spellburst, and crt rate would also affect shellbreak/double attack, since they're passives with trigger chances that are affected by autoskill., with each THEIR OWN TRIGGER RATES BASED ON CRT. easy crt rate set = fuma up +30, dunkelheit up+15, aulis gale+20. Critical Damage will NEVER be superior to Attack. Your basic critical damage multiplicator is 1.5, meaning that with any auto attack you will deal 150% damage, the critical damage % is added on top of this number, the ATK directly scales with the 50% damage boost already, meaning that ATK is always superior to Critical Damage. You may think that Critical Damage is superior because you usually get more % on Critical Damage gear than ATK but if it was the same % ATK is always superior, to min/max your damage you need the perfect balance of % ATK and % Critical Damage though, because if they are in balance it will result in better damage than just boosting one. Ultimi will be superior later on, due to its upgraded stats, but there are better armors for a hwiz anyway in my opinion. So yes in your test you may have had too much ATK and there was no balance, that's why you dealt more damage by using Critical Damage gear instead.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 15, 2014 21:46:07 GMT
It's really hard to explain when people doesnt really understand or even not trying to understand what I'm explaining. And why is Ultimi half of Schwartz? The stats of Schwartz is already INSIDE of Ultimi and Ultimi has Melee(Increase physical normal damage) and skill delay(better for cloning faster, you cant rely on evasion forever especially for bosses/mobs that hits accurately and very fast). PS: Before saying anything else, try it yourselves. PSS: About that Exelis vs Ultimi, I think its better for the people to decide themselves what to use. If they want having faster cooldowns then Exelis would be the best(wait for the upgrade). If you want better damage and a little bit of faster cooldown, Ultimi is the way to go. you have longer cooldown with ultimi. Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~
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Post by aroxis on Aug 15, 2014 21:51:22 GMT
you have longer cooldown with ultimi. Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ Absolute evasion means both magic hits and physical hits right? Thats what i thought it was ._.
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 15, 2014 22:16:54 GMT
Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ Absolute evasion means both magic hits and physical hits right? Thats what i thought it was ._. No, it's an independant avoidance roll for physical attacks only.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 15, 2014 22:17:38 GMT
you have longer cooldown with ultimi. Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ my argument never revolved around ninjas. IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID you'd know i'm going on about the armors and the stats and the SYNERGY. PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, you still need attack to get past the barriers, otherwise you still have bad dps.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 15, 2014 22:27:24 GMT
Absolute evasion means both magic hits and physical hits right? Thats what i thought it was ._. No, it's an independant avoidance roll for physical attacks only. What's the difference bet EVA% and Abs EVA% then?
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 15, 2014 22:54:36 GMT
No, it's an independant avoidance roll for physical attacks only. What's the difference bet EVA% and Abs EVA% then? EVA% modifies your EVA that you can see under stats, Absolute Evasion is a "hidden stat" like Auto Skill%. Absolute Evasion is independant to the enemy's HIT, while the normal EVA roll is dependant on the enemy's HIT. Does that make sense to you?
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 15, 2014 23:05:20 GMT
What's the difference bet EVA% and Abs EVA% then? EVA% modifies your EVA that you can see under stats, Absolute Evasion is a "hidden stat" like Auto Skill%. Absolute Evasion is independant to the enemy's HIT, while the normal EVA roll is dependant on the enemy's HIT. Does that make sense to you? Not really lol, but I did confirm that Abs EVA does not show on Stat page (just tried raid wings w 4% Abs eva).
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