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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 15, 2014 23:16:58 GMT
EVA% modifies your EVA that you can see under stats, Absolute Evasion is a "hidden stat" like Auto Skill%. Absolute Evasion is independant to the enemy's HIT, while the normal EVA roll is dependant on the enemy's HIT. Does that make sense to you? Not really lol, but I did confirm that Abs EVA does not show on Stat page (just tried raid wings w 4% Abs eva). Okay so let me try to explain it simplified, then a little bit more in detail. EVA is a whole other stat than Absolute Evasion. EVA is a flat value, Absolute Evasion is a %. The flat value can be enhanced by EVA+ x% xtals, or flat evasion. The Absolute Evasion can only be added by Absolute Evasion + x% status on anything. Your initial Absolute Evasion is 0%, but your initial EVA is not 0, and it goes higher with every level and each point you put into AGI. It doesn't matter how much EVA you have though, critical attacks and magic attacks will always hit you, this is where Absolute Avoidance and Magic Avoidance come in handy. Absolute Evasion is a % chance to dodge a physical attack, no matter what, even if it is critical. Magic Avoidance is a % chance to dodge a magical attack, no matter what.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 15, 2014 23:20:26 GMT
Not really lol, but I did confirm that Abs EVA does not show on Stat page (just tried raid wings w 4% Abs eva). Okay so let me try to explain it simplified, then a little bit more in detail. EVA is a whole other stat than Absolute Evasion. EVA is a flat value, Absolute Evasion is a %. The flat value can be enhanced by EVA+ x% xtals, or flat evasion. The Absolute Evasion can only be added by Absolute Evasion + x% status on anything. Your initial Absolute Evasion is 0%, but your initial EVA is not 0, and it goes higher with every level and each point you put into AGI. It doesn't matter how much EVA you have though, critical attacks and magic attacks will always hit you, this is where Absolute Avoidance and Magic Avoidance come in handy. Absolute Evasion is a % chance to dodge a physical attack, no matter what, even if it is critical. Magic Avoidance is a % chance to dodge a magical attack, no matter what. I get that part... kinda. It's the "Abs Eva is independent of enemy's HIT" that confused me. That's ok though. I can live with it.
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 15, 2014 23:22:53 GMT
Okay so let me try to explain it simplified, then a little bit more in detail. EVA is a whole other stat than Absolute Evasion. EVA is a flat value, Absolute Evasion is a %. The flat value can be enhanced by EVA+ x% xtals, or flat evasion. The Absolute Evasion can only be added by Absolute Evasion + x% status on anything. Your initial Absolute Evasion is 0%, but your initial EVA is not 0, and it goes higher with every level and each point you put into AGI. It doesn't matter how much EVA you have though, critical attacks and magic attacks will always hit you, this is where Absolute Avoidance and Magic Avoidance come in handy. Absolute Evasion is a % chance to dodge a physical attack, no matter what, even if it is critical. Magic Avoidance is a % chance to dodge a magical attack, no matter what. I get that part... kinda. It's the "Abs Eva is independent of enemy's HIT" that confused me. That's ok though. I can live with it. Just like you, your enemy has a HIT value too, if your Evasion is high but the enemy's HIT is much higher he will hit you most of the time and the other way around. It's a complicated formula, noone has found out yet (I think) because noone can see the enemy's stats.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 15, 2014 23:40:43 GMT
I get that part... kinda. It's the "Abs Eva is independent of enemy's HIT" that confused me. That's ok though. I can live with it. Just like you, your enemy has a HIT value too, if your Evasion is high but the enemy's HIT is much higher he will hit you most of the time and the other way around. It's a complicated formula, noone has found out yet (I think) because noone can see the enemy's stats. I know that part. But I guess you're saying Abs Eva ignores mob HIT?
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 15, 2014 23:41:49 GMT
Just like you, your enemy has a HIT value too, if your Evasion is high but the enemy's HIT is much higher he will hit you most of the time and the other way around. It's a complicated formula, noone has found out yet (I think) because noone can see the enemy's stats. I know that part. But I guess you're saying Abs Eva ignores mob HIT? Yeah and it can work even if the mob crits, which normal EVA can't do.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 15, 2014 23:42:29 GMT
I know that part. But I guess you're saying Abs Eva ignores mob HIT? Yeah and it can work even if the mob crits, which normal EVA can't do. Huh... ok thanks!
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Post by reaper17 on Aug 16, 2014 1:05:56 GMT
Actually man the mele+100 does ignore defense Just like if you were using a magonza xtal. Even if you normally hit 1 dmg agianst somethin ultimi will give you+ 100 dmg no matter what. Same with variant which is mele+200. And I believe koda gives you about 250 mele based on my experience but I'm not sure
Edit: and if you want I can post a screen shot proving this
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 16, 2014 2:05:11 GMT
Actually man the mele+100 does ignore defense Just like if you were using a magonza xtal. Even if you normally hit 1 dmg agianst somethin ultimi will give you+ 100 dmg no matter what. Same with variant which is mele+200. And I believe koda gives you about 250 mele based on my experience but I'm not sure Edit: and if you want I can post a screen shot proving this notice i said "true damage", true damage isn't affected by any factors.
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Post by reaper17 on Aug 16, 2014 2:21:44 GMT
What do you mean true damage? You mean your normal attack damage? If so then I can tell you mele + does effect it
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 3:33:11 GMT
Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ my argument never revolved around ninjas. IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID you'd know i'm going on about the armors and the stats and the SYNERGY. PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, you still need attack to get past the barriers, otherwise you still have bad dps. So when bosses like magonza use the purple defensive buff, you're saying you can pass a damage check? Maybe at later levels, when our attacks can hit 5k+, but for now, every person I've seen up against those bosses, high and low atk alike, have hit 1-3 damage, even crits. Now, with melee gear, those people hit + whatever the added melee amount is. In the case of ultimi, these people would hit 101-103 no matter what their base atk is at this point on a boss. It IGNORES defense. Thank you. You're dismissed.
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Post by aroxis on Aug 16, 2014 3:42:00 GMT
Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, The fact that its melee+100 means it ignores defence lol..otherwise it would change depending on the defence of the mob you are fighting lol. Saying that it just adds 100 to your true dmg is the same as ignoring defence.
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 16, 2014 3:46:47 GMT
I'm done here. Se's proved nothing but to be an obnoxious person who thinks she knows it all.
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Post by kafuka on Aug 16, 2014 3:57:11 GMT
I believe that if it really does add a better chance, it's because it's CRITICAL UP. Not crt rate% As in, you just added 10 crit past what you really have. Like when cap is over 256 spellburst and other things that are triggered by crit can proc even more. And also, if 10 crit really is just +1% sb activation then there really is a point in sb gear. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4 your whole argument is invalid because critical up = crt rate+10 crt dmg+10%. Well I'm okay with that, I had just been told differently. I do not believe crit rate raises proc of sb Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4
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Post by Frøst™ on Aug 16, 2014 4:35:34 GMT
How about for Ninja Class DPS Type ( AGI, CRT, STR), what is better?
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Post by kafuka on Aug 16, 2014 4:46:35 GMT
Are you even READING what we're saying??? You're just going on with gibberish, while we are giving you real reasons. You also neglected, and repeated information from what I said. Please, take the time to read before replying. You honestly look like a fool right now. Ultimi beats schwartz. Schwartz only real reason for ninjas now is for cloning. Other than that, Ultimi SURPASSES Schwartz in EVERY way. They both have Critical Up. Ultimi also has MELEE+100 (raw physical power to IGNORE defenses), Accuracy+50 (because we know at lower, and sometimes, even higher levels, we miss a lot on newer bosses/mobs, AND absolute evasion, which from my understanding, has an affect on dodging CRITICAL damage. At least, that's how it was explained to me. So, explain to me again, how is Schwartz and Exelis better? Exelis: Atk+3% Matk+3% Evasion+5% MagicR+12%, Skill Delay-1 second. You can't spam doc, and at 200 dex(if going dex build), -0.5 seconds is MORE than enough to spam clones for ninja. I'd rather have the critical up affect my doc damage than Atk+3%. If I'm a magic ninja, I'd rather have 6% matk than 3%. So tell me, where do these prove better? As your whole argument was involving ninjas originally, so figured I'd bring you back there. Never did I mention spell burst to you, so don't bring up spell burst rate. Defend your argument about ninjas and exelis > ultimi. You wont win ~ EDIT: Btw, I own all 3 of the armors mentioned, so I know all their stats accurately. Maybe you had a misunderstanding on the stats ~ my argument never revolved around ninjas. IF YOU READ WHAT I SAID you'd know i'm going on about the armors and the stats and the SYNERGY. PS: melee+100 doesn't ignore defence, just adds 100 true damage to your dmg, you still need attack to get past the barriers, otherwise you still have bad dps. Wtf do you mean by "you still need attack to get past barriers"? It's always +100 damage. A level 1 could do that much damage to any enemy with that armor on. You're a special kind of person Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4
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