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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 13, 2014 13:17:38 GMT
PS: Also Ultimi is probably the best armor you can use for bow ninja (like me). The damage boost it gives is better than Schwartz/Exelis considering I am a spamming type, 3-4 clones with dance having 20k-28k damage unlike in Exelis which only dealt 18k-24k for me. So wait Schwartz slot ganei vs Ultimi slot ganei which would deal more damage o.o? Cuz um I'm pretty sure Schwartz has the most damage up for an armor currently implemented in iruna English ver. swartz has 10 attack, whereas ultimi has melee+100, the difference lies in the fact that with ultimi you're bound to be using 3 ganeis, whereas with schwartz you can swap out a ganei with a cerberus, which will give you more dps overall.
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Post by super n00b on Aug 13, 2014 14:23:22 GMT
That's the white exelis. Lol WOOOOAAHH White Exelis??? @3@ do you have a SS/video of this armor? Must look epic owo Looks pretty awesome *^* Sky showed it to me once. Don't have the pic anymore sadly.
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Post by Killua on Aug 13, 2014 16:48:40 GMT
So wait Schwartz slot ganei vs Ultimi slot ganei which would deal more damage o.o? Cuz um I'm pretty sure Schwartz has the most damage up for an armor currently implemented in iruna English ver. swartz has 10 attack, whereas ultimi has melee+100, the difference lies in the fact that with ultimi you're bound to be using 3 ganeis, whereas with schwartz you can swap out a ganei with a cerberus, which will give you more dps overall. Okay so without ganei. What if I were to slot an ultimi with Magonza vs Exelis Magonza. Exelis seems like it would provide more physical damage because of the atk+% but then again I could be wrong. I'm mainly asking this from the view of a backstab assassin. So would my point is between Exelis up Magonza, ultimi Magonza, and Schwartz Magonza what would prove to be more effective? (Damage and skill delay wise)
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 13, 2014 16:53:48 GMT
swartz has 10 attack, whereas ultimi has melee+100, the difference lies in the fact that with ultimi you're bound to be using 3 ganeis, whereas with schwartz you can swap out a ganei with a cerberus, which will give you more dps overall. Okay so without ganei. What if I were to slot an ultimi with Magonza vs Exelis Magonza. Exelis seems like it would provide more physical damage because of the atk+% but then again I could be wrong. I'm mainly asking this from the view of a backstab assassin. So would my point is between Exelis up Magonza, ultimi Magonza, and Schwartz Magonza what would prove to be more effective? (Damage and skill delay wise) uhmm, if it's mainly backstab it's fairly hard, because if crt rate affects spellburst, then crit rate also affects critical backstab, in which case ultimi would win, just because it has the best bit of both armors, has skill delay and has crt up. the melee+ is irrelevant. and from experience crt dmg+% beats attack+%
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 13, 2014 16:54:45 GMT
swartz has 10 attack, whereas ultimi has melee+100, the difference lies in the fact that with ultimi you're bound to be using 3 ganeis, whereas with schwartz you can swap out a ganei with a cerberus, which will give you more dps overall. Okay so without ganei. What if I were to slot an ultimi with Magonza vs Exelis Magonza. Exelis seems like it would provide more physical damage because of the atk+% but then again I could be wrong. I'm mainly asking this from the view of a backstab assassin. So would my point is between Exelis up Magonza, ultimi Magonza, and Schwartz Magonza what would prove to be more effective? (Damage and skill delay wise) Unless you don't rely on CRT DMG, Exe up give 3%ATK while Ultimi gives 10% CRT DMG, plus straight +100 melee . No comparison.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 13, 2014 16:55:50 GMT
Okay so without ganei. What if I were to slot an ultimi with Magonza vs Exelis Magonza. Exelis seems like it would provide more physical damage because of the atk+% but then again I could be wrong. I'm mainly asking this from the view of a backstab assassin. So would my point is between Exelis up Magonza, ultimi Magonza, and Schwartz Magonza what would prove to be more effective? (Damage and skill delay wise) Unless you don't rely on CRT DMG, Exe up give 3%ATK while Ultimi gives 10% CRT DMG, plus straight +100 melee . No comparison. bs assassin mainly rely on crt dmg.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 13, 2014 16:58:15 GMT
Unless you don't rely on CRT DMG, Exe up give 3%ATK while Ultimi gives 10% CRT DMG, plus straight +100 melee . No comparison. bs assassin mainly rely on crt dmg. Ninjas are shortened to Nin High Wizards to High Wiz Gladiators to Glad Assassin to ... and they have BS skill. Short. End. Of. The. Stick. Got nothing else to add, lol
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Post by Killua on Aug 13, 2014 21:39:10 GMT
Unless you don't rely on CRT DMG, Exe up give 3%ATK while Ultimi gives 10% CRT DMG, plus straight +100 melee . No comparison. bs assassin mainly rely on crt dmg. Convinced o.o/ buy ultimi set
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Post by Eyrie Malevoire on Aug 14, 2014 7:25:32 GMT
What I'm saying is, Ultimi is best because of overall stat and mainly, that crit up + skill delay. Btw, Schwartz + Cerberus is sooooo terrible against high def boss and mobs. You need raw atk to pierce their defense. Why I said Ultimi is best is because you can put Magonza/Ganei which does not only provide +atk but also Critical Rate/Damage(applies to some skill) and the most vital part, the skill delay. In short, Ultimi = Schwartz + 1/2 of Exelis.
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Post by Eyrie Malevoire on Aug 14, 2014 7:27:48 GMT
I haven't tried yet if the Critical UP on Ultimi affects Dragon Song of Minstrel since I haven't tested yet on this one.
(But I already have a hunch that it is.)
PS: I don't want to change to minstrel(again) since its pain in the ass to fight Mio again if you're a Minstrel going back to Ninja.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 14, 2014 12:48:35 GMT
What I'm saying is, Ultimi is best because of overall stat and mainly, that crit up + skill delay. Btw, Schwartz + Cerberus is sooooo terrible against high def boss and mobs. You need raw atk to pierce their defense. Why I said Ultimi is best is because you can put Magonza/Ganei which does not only provide +atk but also Critical Rate/Damage(applies to some skill) and the most vital part, the skill delay. In short, Ultimi = Schwartz + 1/2 of Exelis. ultimi would be half of schwartz and a bad half of exelis*, you can still slap a ganei on schwartz to get more attack, but when more attack isn't needed cerberus excels
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 14, 2014 15:53:14 GMT
What I'm saying is, Ultimi is best because of overall stat and mainly, that crit up + skill delay. Btw, Schwartz + Cerberus is sooooo terrible against high def boss and mobs. You need raw atk to pierce their defense. Why I said Ultimi is best is because you can put Magonza/Ganei which does not only provide +atk but also Critical Rate/Damage(applies to some skill) and the most vital part, the skill delay. In short, Ultimi = Schwartz + 1/2 of Exelis. ultimi would be half of schwartz and a bad half of exelis*, you can still slap a ganei on schwartz to get more attack, but when more attack isn't needed cerberus excels I don't understand; how is ultimi 'half of schwartz', exactly?
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Post by Prayerz on Aug 14, 2014 19:01:30 GMT
ultimi would be half of schwartz and a bad half of exelis*, you can still slap a ganei on schwartz to get more attack, but when more attack isn't needed cerberus excels I don't understand; how is ultimi 'half of schwartz', exactly? I'm failing to understand this as well.. Schwartz: Max HP-30/20%, Critical Up Ultimi: Matk+6%, Critical Up, Delay -0.5s (item & skill, don't forget), Melee+100, Accuracy+50, Absolute Evasion+5% So, I see the half schwartz, but it's the half everyone wants. As for the exelis, part. How is it the bad half? No one uses exelis for anything but looks, skill delay, and sometimes evasion. No one can even remember anything else about the armor most times. So, while ultimi has half the amount of skill delay, it is still superior for dps gear. Also, I'll add, I would rather place a magonza in either armor than a cerberus. Cerberus I'd more use for special if STR is below 200, or can't acquire a Beelzenoid. With Vida now added for additional gear, cerberus is truly obsolete for any crt user with strength as a stat.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 14, 2014 19:11:01 GMT
I don't understand; how is ultimi 'half of schwartz', exactly? I'm failing to understand this as well.. Schwartz: Max HP-30/20%, Critical Up Ultimi: Matk+6%, Critical Up, Delay -0.5s (item & skill, don't forget), Melee+100, Accuracy+50, Absolute Evasion+5% So, I see the half schwartz, but it's the half everyone wants. As for the exelis, part. How is it the bad half? No one uses exelis for anything but looks, skill delay, and sometimes evasion. No one can even remember anything else about the armor most times. So, while ultimi has half the amount of skill delay, it is still superior for dps gear. Also, I'll add, I would rather place a magonza in either armor than a cerberus. Cerberus I'd more use for special if STR is below 200, or can't acquire a Beelzenoid. With Vida now added for additional gear, cerberus is truly obsolete for any crt user with strength as a stat. beelzenoid only works for builds with 200+ STR, vida was barely released yesterday (for me atleast), and from testing crt dmg+% beats attack +%, only time you'd need attack+% over crt dmg+% is if your attack is low and can't get past the mobs defences. and i'd say people use ultimi over exelis for looks, since i can actually reach higher matk without losing skill delay in exelis in ratio. and i'd like actual sauce on the crt rate affecting spellburst, because i call bs, since there'd be no point in gear with spellburst rate+%, and going by that logic autoskill+% should affect spellburst, and crt rate would also affect shellbreak/double attack, since they're passives with trigger chances that are affected by autoskill., with each THEIR OWN TRIGGER RATES BASED ON CRT. easy crt rate set = fuma up +30, dunkelheit up+15, aulis gale+20.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 14, 2014 19:12:48 GMT
Vida stat?
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