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Post by Jeancarlo on Feb 18, 2015 18:15:44 GMT
Yeah SP. Rev. Ale is superior but I find it hard to get them (I have to multi device farm it at Mt Mithurna but it still takes time.) With my potions gear I only end up with 108k HP but my Onigiris heal me for 23k HP and 651MP for each remagic L and oftentimes this is enough to solo grind bosses or tank without bishop or hw. I still find it more convenient to buy pots from store since I make more spina from farming rares than farming Sp Rev Ales. When I use my HP set I can pump to around 180kHP but I rarely do that because my Onigiris drop to 18k HP and it is not enough to cover the HP loss from spamming Guardian while taking damage, and remagics drop to 300MP which also burns very fast. With this gear, I end up with no MP because I am too busy spamming Onigiri to stay alive (no time to squeeze remagic L). You using kaise piltz xtals in HP set? I am thinking about it but curious if its worth the mdef and def loss.. Any opinions? I'd be like 200k HP with them tho Awesome for farming weak atk mobs esp since the Extra 10% (per xtal) HP gives your Guardian that much more umph.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 18, 2015 22:37:35 GMT
Yeah SP. Rev. Ale is superior but I find it hard to get them (I have to multi device farm it at Mt Mithurna but it still takes time.) With my potions gear I only end up with 108k HP but my Onigiris heal me for 23k HP and 651MP for each remagic L and oftentimes this is enough to solo grind bosses or tank without bishop or hw. I still find it more convenient to buy pots from store since I make more spina from farming rares than farming Sp Rev Ales. When I use my HP set I can pump to around 180kHP but I rarely do that because my Onigiris drop to 18k HP and it is not enough to cover the HP loss from spamming Guardian while taking damage, and remagics drop to 300MP which also burns very fast. With this gear, I end up with no MP because I am too busy spamming Onigiri to stay alive (no time to squeeze remagic L). You using kaise piltz xtals in HP set? I am thinking about it but curious if its worth the mdef and def loss.. Any opinions? I'd be like 200k HP with them tho I dont use k piltz nor do I recommend It. Per my estimate 200k Is achievable now with hp20s at lvl270. I will probably end up with only around 190k+ when I lvl cap since I dont have 2s wound transer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 10:29:19 GMT
I come across many Paladins who call themselves "Tank Build". I ask them what their build is and they reply by saying "VIT/INT/DEX" and wear HP gear. I think they are confused. I'm VIT/STR/DEX, so if they are a "Tank Build" then it means I am not a "Tank Build" whereas I've shown to many that I can tank well enough to solo difficult bosses. So what makes them any different? They will wear HP gear and boost their HP to 100k+. I will wear the same gear and also be 100k+ HP. They will wear damage mitigation gear, I will wear the same and we will receive same damage. They will have high DEF due to VIT. Guess what, so will I. They will talk about MDEF. 1k MDEF is -1k magic damage fixed. Sure, I will receive 8k magic damage, and they will receive 7k (or even 6k for the sake of argument). Really. It isn't something game breaking. I receive far more damage than that and live to tell about it. So to clear things up, I'm sending out a message. A true Tank build is built like this: VIT>AGI>INT You will have evasion which is tantamount to 100% damage mitigation on each success Whatever passes through your evasion will be mitigated by your def skills or your MDEF You will have damage mitigation and/or evasion gear/xtals/abilities You will have good amount of HP to take multiple damage You can call yourself tank build and no one will argue about it VIT/INT/DEX is magic sword guardian (not true tank build) VIT/DEX/STR is special sword guardian (not true tank build) Although both are naturally able to tank.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 10:36:28 GMT
Finally after years someone who actually tells the truth about pally builds I hate to say it but that's one of the first times I ever found the truth on forum iv been testing on my pally build since beginning of beta and I mean the beginning
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Post by imsomnium on Apr 3, 2015 16:18:07 GMT
I come across many Paladins who call themselves "Tank Build". I ask them what their build is and they reply by saying "VIT/INT/DEX" and wear HP gear. I think they are confused. I'm VIT/STR/DEX, so if they are a "Tank Build" then it means I am not a "Tank Build" whereas I've shown to many that I can tank well enough to solo difficult bosses. So what makes them any different? They will wear HP gear and boost their HP to 100k+. I will wear the same gear and also be 100k+ HP. They will wear damage mitigation gear, I will wear the same and we will receive same damage. They will have high DEF due to VIT. Guess what, so will I. They will talk about MDEF. 1k MDEF is -1k magic damage fixed. Sure, I will receive 8k magic damage, and they will receive 7k (or even 6k for the sake of argument). Really. It isn't something game breaking. I receive far more damage than that and live to tell about it. So to clear things up, I'm sending out a message. A true Tank build is built like this: VIT>AGI>INT You will have evasion which is tantamount to 100% damage mitigation on each success Whatever passes through your evasion will be mitigated by your def skills or your MDEF You will have damage mitigation and/or evasion gear/xtals/abilities You will have good amount of HP to take multiple damage You can call yourself tank build and no one will argue about it VIT/INT/DEX is magic sword guardian (not true tank build) VIT/DEX/STR is special sword guardian (not true tank build) Although both are naturally able to tank. I think since I am makeing a pally then I should keep my stats as vit max int max and then agi so I can have eva as well as atk plus I wanna know how do I do decent damage at low lvl coz I reached lvl 42 and the build is vit till now and my god the damage sucks so how do I raise my atk up till now
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Apr 3, 2015 16:52:37 GMT
I think since I am makeing a pally then I should keep my stats as vit max int max anditthen agi so I can have eva as well as atk plus I wanna know how do I do decent damage at low lvl coz I reached lvl 42 and the build is vit till now and my god the damage sucks so how do I raise my atk up till now Use special sword (e.g. wound transer, katz, Izu, etc.) wear atk+% gear and xtals (e.g dragonmail, barbarotita, schlingel) use hard hit when you get It. your dmg will remain low (maybe 3k to 5k dmg) until you get guardian at lvl160
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Aroxis
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I get broads in atlanta tho :v
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Post by Aroxis on Jul 13, 2015 17:57:48 GMT
I come across many Paladins who call themselves "Tank Build". I ask them what their build is and they reply by saying "VIT/INT/DEX" and wear HP gear. I think they are confused. I'm VIT/STR/DEX, so if they are a "Tank Build" then it means I am not a "Tank Build" whereas I've shown to many that I can tank well enough to solo difficult bosses. So what makes them any different? They will wear HP gear and boost their HP to 100k+. I will wear the same gear and also be 100k+ HP. They will wear damage mitigation gear, I will wear the same and we will receive same damage. They will have high DEF due to VIT. Guess what, so will I. They will talk about MDEF. 1k MDEF is -1k magic damage fixed. Sure, I will receive 8k magic damage, and they will receive 7k (or even 6k for the sake of argument). Really. It isn't something game breaking. I receive far more damage than that and live to tell about it. So to clear things up, I'm sending out a message. A true Tank build is built like this: VIT>AGI>INT You will have evasion which is tantamount to 100% damage mitigation on each success Whatever passes through your evasion will be mitigated by your def skills or your MDEF You will have damage mitigation and/or evasion gear/xtals/abilities You will have good amount of HP to take multiple damage You can call yourself tank build and no one will argue about it VIT/INT/DEX is magic sword guardian (not true tank build) VIT/DEX/STR is special sword guardian (not true tank build) Although both are naturally able to tank. Why would a paladin add agi in the first place XD. Thats absolutely stupid. Even if it boosts evasion it makes you an even worse tank because you cant spam guardian due to the max aspd during auto attacks. Thus dealing less dmg, drawing less aggro and making a horrible tanker
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Post by mokie on Jul 13, 2015 19:35:34 GMT
I come across many Paladins who call themselves "Tank Build". I ask them what their build is and they reply by saying "VIT/INT/DEX" and wear HP gear. I think they are confused. I'm VIT/STR/DEX, so if they are a "Tank Build" then it means I am not a "Tank Build" whereas I've shown to many that I can tank well enough to solo difficult bosses. So what makes them any different? They will wear HP gear and boost their HP to 100k+. I will wear the same gear and also be 100k+ HP. They will wear damage mitigation gear, I will wear the same and we will receive same damage. They will have high DEF due to VIT. Guess what, so will I. They will talk about MDEF. 1k MDEF is -1k magic damage fixed. Sure, I will receive 8k magic damage, and they will receive 7k (or even 6k for the sake of argument). Really. It isn't something game breaking. I receive far more damage than that and live to tell about it. So to clear things up, I'm sending out a message. A true Tank build is built like this: VIT>AGI>INT You will have evasion which is tantamount to 100% damage mitigation on each success Whatever passes through your evasion will be mitigated by your def skills or your MDEF You will have damage mitigation and/or evasion gear/xtals/abilities You will have good amount of HP to take multiple damage You can call yourself tank build and no one will argue about it VIT/INT/DEX is magic sword guardian (not true tank build) VIT/DEX/STR is special sword guardian (not true tank build) Although both are naturally able to tank. Why would a paladin add agi in the first place XD. Thats absolutely stupid. Even if it boosts evasion it makes you an even worse tank because you cant spam guardian due to the max aspd during auto attacks. Thus dealing less dmg, drawing less aggro and making a horrible tanker Actually, I am playng VIT>INT>AGI now. There are so many ways to draw aggro. However, I played this build not because of tank build or not. I play because it is the way I like. For detail about aggro, I just use heal and hate shift from my assassin, my main character. Just this 2 classes, I can fight any boss. Moreover, I can control both at the same time. That is the main reason I play VIT>INT>AGI as my alternative one.
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Aroxis
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I get broads in atlanta tho :v
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Post by Aroxis on Jul 13, 2015 20:11:40 GMT
Why would a paladin add agi in the first place XD. Thats absolutely stupid. Even if it boosts evasion it makes you an even worse tank because you cant spam guardian due to the max aspd during auto attacks. Thus dealing less dmg, drawing less aggro and making a horrible tanker Actually, I am playng VIT>INT>AGI now. There are so many ways to draw aggro. However, I played this build not because of tank build or not. I play because it is the way I like. For detail about aggro, I just use heal and hate shift from my assassin, my main character. Just this 2 classes, I can fight any boss. Moreover, I can control both at the same time. That is the main reason I play VIT>INT>AGI as my alternative one. The point is you are not a "true tank" like milligrito said. Without that hate shift you would have a ton of problems? What if you didnt have an assasin and had a monk in your pt instead? you would not be doing the tanking in that party for sure. Although you may like your build and I have no problem with that, it is not a true tank build because you need to constantly use heal (cant spam cuz autoattk in between thus lowering overall aggro) and you need assa hate shift as well. Not coming at your neck or anything but I am saying Milligritos Vit/Agi/Int super tank build is actually not a true or good tank build.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jul 13, 2015 20:37:10 GMT
Actually, I am playng VIT>INT>AGI now. There are so many ways to draw aggro. However, I played this build not because of tank build or not. I play because it is the way I like. For detail about aggro, I just use heal and hate shift from my assassin, my main character. Just this 2 classes, I can fight any boss. Moreover, I can control both at the same time. That is the main reason I play VIT>INT>AGI as my alternative one. The point is you are not a "true tank" like milligrito said. Without that hate shift you would have a ton of problems? What if you didnt have an assasin and had a monk in your pt instead? you would not be doing the tanking in that party for sure. Although you may like your build and I have no problem with that, it is not a true tank build because you need to constantly use heal (cant spam cuz autoattk in between thus lowering overall aggro) and you need assa hate shift as well. Not coming at your neck or anything but I am saying Milligritos Vit/Agi/Int super tank build is actually not a true or good tank build. Actually, heal do better job than guardian for drawing aggro. If I have to party with monk, it's fine too. I just spam heal to draw aggro. I used hate shift because I play 2 character at the same time. I can't spam 2 skill from both character very well. That means I can't spam heal when I spam backstab from another device.
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Post by mokie on Jul 13, 2015 21:36:33 GMT
Forgot to mention, I am autoskill build, so I get aggro when I just hit. I can get extra aggro with guardian, provoke, and heal too, but I prefer heal to any other skills because heal give me more hp while guardian lower my hp. With this build, I can do damage when I just autoattack.
And again, I am autoskill build my equipment always adding hp and autoskill. I can parry quite often due to high autoskill rate(more than 50% I guess). My stun parry rate is also great, about 40% from normal monster. I also can do stun when I attack due to my spin shield hidden effect. All of these ability absolutely support the work "tank."
At this point, I will tell you why I need agi. Because agi add more ASPD, I can hit faster. The aspd will help me to do faster damage, meaning more stun. Agi also adds evasion which will increase more tank ability.
The thing that coming to my neck is the stereotyping sentences, "Why would a paladin add agi in the first place XD. Thats absolutely stupid." My paladin is different, but it still do good at tanking role.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jul 27, 2015 1:36:07 GMT
I come across many Paladins who call themselves "Tank Build". I ask them what their build is and they reply by saying "VIT/INT/DEX" and wear HP gear. I think they are confused. I'm VIT/STR/DEX, so if they are a "Tank Build" then it means I am not a "Tank Build" whereas I've shown to many that I can tank well enough to solo difficult bosses. So what makes them any different? They will wear HP gear and boost their HP to 100k+. I will wear the same gear and also be 100k+ HP. They will wear damage mitigation gear, I will wear the same and we will receive same damage. They will have high DEF due to VIT. Guess what, so will I. They will talk about MDEF. 1k MDEF is -1k magic damage fixed. Sure, I will receive 8k magic damage, and they will receive 7k (or even 6k for the sake of argument). Really. It isn't something game breaking. I receive far more damage than that and live to tell about it. So to clear things up, I'm sending out a message. A true Tank build is built like this: VIT>AGI>INT You will have evasion which is tantamount to 100% damage mitigation on each success Whatever passes through your evasion will be mitigated by your def skills or your MDEF You will have damage mitigation and/or evasion gear/xtals/abilities You will have good amount of HP to take multiple damage You can call yourself tank build and no one will argue about it VIT/INT/DEX is magic sword guardian (not true tank build) VIT/DEX/STR is special sword guardian (not true tank build) Although both are naturally able to tank. Why would a paladin add agi in the first place XD. Thats absolutely stupid. Even if it boosts evasion it makes you an even worse tank because you cant spam guardian due to the max aspd during auto attacks. Thus dealing less dmg, drawing less aggro and making a horrible tanker You can still spam guardian with max ASPD, either by moving each time or by using -ASPD equip. Anyway, the point of the argument was that all VIT pallys can tank. And all VIT pallys can solo bosses. The other stats are auxillary and would depend on playstyle. Most pallys eventually realize that they gain more capabilities by increasing their DPS rather than increasing their mitigation (you don't really need more mitigation), since with higher DPS, you can not only solo boss, but you can solo boss grind because you kill faster. Afterall, Iruna is a grind game. Plus, at higher levels, alot of other classes can play the tank role, and they will always prefer the faster kill setup, and pallys are at a bad end at that. BTW, I just thought I'd drop by to see what's new and say hi, hope you guys are doing well. I hope someday they introduce the PVP part of this game so I can come back and play smack with you guys.
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Post by jaffet03 on Jul 30, 2015 11:40:46 GMT
if u all think agi can tank all maybe no one put vit now or choose paladin enchanter clases who will put vit to tank and all will choose agi class who has evasion . imo vit def and magdef are more tanky than eva does thts the mistakr of asobimo for letting agi have that knd of eva and leting agi eva type class t tank which is not ideal and not proportional but asobimo let it sso many players just put max agi then choose ninja wit a boring newby playstyle
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Post by sagehart on Aug 29, 2015 3:59:13 GMT
I tried app beast barely soloed Helios at 121 where as I easily did it before so I decided Imma go pally I see all of yalls debates ect fun fun yes but I just wanna know what stats are best for solo n solo mq I'm not a fan of people to well my gear is wound+9@170 Litch/hp20% Kings necklace /hp20% n the bracelet that's gives the vit based on level lvl 121 stats 256 vit 100 dex I'm really poor so thinking Imma need to sell wound for magic sword if I needs int the question is will I need int to make it with my poor mans gear and when I say poor I ran like starting newb poor so what's the best route?
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Aug 29, 2015 5:09:44 GMT
I tried app beast barely soloed Helios at 121 where as I easily did it before so I decided Imma go pally I see all of yalls debates ect fun fun yes but I just wanna know what stats are best for solo n solo mq I'm not a fan of people to well my gear is wound+9@170 Litch/hp20% Kings necklace /hp20% n the bracelet that's gives the vit based on level lvl 121 stats 256 vit 100 dex I'm really poor so thinking Imma need to sell wound for magic sword if I needs int the question is will I need int to make it with my poor mans gear and when I say poor I ran like starting newb poor so what's the best route? From your status, Would transer is the best. You don't need magic sword at all.
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