bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jan 9, 2016 19:16:29 GMT
raton is actually understandable. idk why or how, but it was only a short lived thing. it was a real craze for it for a short time there with every1 farming it...then it went out of fashion again 0.0
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 19:21:52 GMT
1) What Crystal says is true, as the first and last spina will come from the NPC and any existing spina used to buy stuffs are just circulating which comes from NPC too as mobs doesn't drop virtual currency.
2)Spina withdrawal is more often than Spina deposit causing the spina that circulates in the game to bloom and increase making the existing players to be able to held more than what we expected (the worst case? To offer more than usual and make the economy believes that it is the usual price and there you go til it become a standard price.
*As all we see majority of our spina mostly spent to fellow players as well.
*Majority of what people mostly need can be obtained by farming, deposit only happens when you purchase something from an NPC.
*We get pots from mobs too we get portals too and almost things that an npc offers can be obtained from mobs as well or quest. The result is Spina that is existing continue to rise while the decreasing rate is too low making the whole game pocket to bloom and become unbalance later on.
-This is a problem of most games with an economy, especially like I said most of our needs doesnt come from NPC like armors to buy (tho we can make some, but not still enough to balance it the deposit/withdraw method) Existence of othet classes affects this too (HP/MP/Vaccines pots consume rate for some players to be reduced, causing more earning rate from NPC is higher and/or not balance against spending rate)
How to fix this in my opinion? Place an NPC with a gambling game.
Also please keep in mind, were on a game with an infinite resource generation. As long as there are mobs roaming around spina will keep to increade.
What truly a game doesnt make inflations are games with a limited resource only.
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Post by Blue on Jan 9, 2016 20:07:58 GMT
Honestly I think I'd be a bit wiser to farm the items you need rather than pay overprice. Grab some friends or guildies or maybe make a group chat to farm something such as ganei or Ushilth etc. I don't see much change in rokoko for the better coming anytime soon unless a large group of people were to protest at rokoko but i don't think people would simply lower the prices.
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Post by Cerulean on Jan 9, 2016 20:39:19 GMT
Can we talk about prices? Particularly the price hikes? Because they are INSANE. I just sold my green Zazel, someone offered 70 million spina. The easy kitty boss. Green used to be 40m, red is 35 (I bought mine way back for this price) and blue is 25m. It's insane how much the prices went up. Atleta slot was steady at 500 to 650m before. Now a seller has a high bid of 1.1b (seriously I might drop the idea of buying one, and just took a long hiatus again). I regret not buying one when I had 500m. Lol. Tbh my current goal is to full gear my gladiator and cap it. Then idk what to do next. I feel sorry for the new users because getting basic crystals (like Zazel, Moldus, Ushlith, Ganei etc) will be a chore. What do you think is the cause for these outrageous hike in prices? Imo many players reach high level at a very fast rate (you can get to lvl220 just by MQ alone) and they get access to farming for easy money. More money from more players = more competition for prices. What are your thoughts? Edit: when I say 'before', I mean 4 months ago. JUST 4 months ago. I started loggingon again in December. The inflation is mostly entirely due to alchemyprod, iI forget which level you make gold nugget but people produce these and then NPC, a stack being about 10m and coming from rocks, now I know "oh it takes time and it's hard to make" but when you add a alchemy charm and sadly a speed hack you can make those stacks real fast and since that spina is used for rmt it's basically spread pretty evenly through the games economy. And I don't feel too bad for new players because once they unlock some guild raids they can make a good amount of money selling beads/abis that drop from them
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Post by Crysta| on Jan 9, 2016 21:20:45 GMT
Yes botting/speed hack do add to the inflation but that's only a part of the community. The most of inflation comes from the total players, Iruna is a popular game. More players = more items being NPC'd = inflation.
If everyone took an "extremist" stance on speed hack/botting, we could reduce inflation to some degree, however it would still exist because of the millions of players.
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Jan 9, 2016 22:05:54 GMT
if there were only more pro-active people like me...the world woupd be awsome (true story, had a number of bosses reckon "if only i had another few of you, this gig would be like the perfect well oiled machine...) hmm i think i prefer ppl do like me to there being more of me...me and the other me's would prob try to kill each other...
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Jan 10, 2016 0:09:39 GMT
Can we talk about prices? Particularly the price hikes? Because they are INSANE. I just sold my green Zazel, someone offered 70 million spina. The easy kitty boss. Green used to be 40m, red is 35 (I bought mine way back for this price) and blue is 25m. It's insane how much the prices went up. Atleta slot was steady at 500 to 650m before. Now a seller has a high bid of 1.1b (seriously I might drop the idea of buying one, and just took a long hiatus again). I regret not buying one when I had 500m. Lol. Tbh my current goal is to full gear my gladiator and cap it. Then idk what to do next. I feel sorry for the new users because getting basic crystals (like Zazel, Moldus, Ushlith, Ganei etc) will be a chore. What do you think is the cause for these outrageous hike in prices? Imo many players reach high level at a very fast rate (you can get to lvl220 just by MQ alone) and they get access to farming for easy money. More money from more players = more competition for prices. What are your thoughts? Edit: when I say 'before', I mean 4 months ago. JUST 4 months ago. I started loggingon again in December. The inflation is mostly entirely due to alchemyprod, iI forget which level you make gold nugget but people produce these and then NPC, a stack being about 10m and coming from rocks, now I know "oh it takes time and it's hard to make" but when you add a alchemy charm and sadly a speed hack you can make those stacks real fast and since that spina is used for rmt it's basically spread pretty evenly through the games economy. And I don't feel too bad for new players because once they unlock some guild raids they can make a good amount of money selling beads/abis that drop from them I don't think gold nuggets do anything at all. Have you tried making them? It takes literally forever to make gold dust.
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Jan 10, 2016 0:10:29 GMT
if there were only more pro-active people like me...the world woupd be awsome (true story, had a number of bosses reckon "if only i had another few of you, this gig would be like the perfect well oiled machine...) hmm i think i prefer ppl do like me to there being more of me...me and the other me's would prob try to kill each other... You should play alot with yourself then. Keep it on topic please.
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Jan 10, 2016 0:11:25 GMT
Yes botting/speed hack do add to the inflation but that's only a part of the community. The most of inflation comes from the total players, Iruna is a popular game. More players = more items being NPC'd = inflation. If everyone took an "extremist" stance on speed hack/botting, we could reduce inflation to some degree, however it would still exist because of the millions of players. SH has been around for a long time. If anything, SH should make prices cheaper (easier means to get items)
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Jan 10, 2016 0:16:49 GMT
1) What Crystal says is true, as the first and last spina will come from the NPC and any existing spina used to buy stuffs are just circulating which comes from NPC too as mobs doesn't drop virtual currency. 2)Spina withdrawal is more often than Spina deposit causing the spina that circulates in the game to bloom and increase making the existing players to be able to held more than what we expected (the worst case? To offer more than usual and make the economy believes that it is the usual price and there you go til it become a standard price. *As all we see majority of our spina mostly spent to fellow players as well. *Majority of what people mostly need can be obtained by farming, deposit only happens when you purchase something from an NPC. *We get pots from mobs too we get portals too and almost things that an npc offers can be obtained from mobs as well or quest. The result is Spina that is existing continue to rise while the decreasing rate is too low making the whole game pocket to bloom and become unbalance later on. -This is a problem of most games with an economy, especially like I said most of our needs doesnt come from NPC like armors to buy (tho we can make some, but not still enough to balance it the deposit/withdraw method) Existence of othet classes affects this too (HP/MP/Vaccines pots consume rate for some players to be reduced, causing more earning rate from NPC is higher and/or not balance against spending rate) How to fix this in my opinion? Place an NPC with a gambling game. Also please keep in mind, were on a game with an infinite resource generation. As long as there are mobs roaming around spina will keep to increade. What truly a game doesnt make inflations are games with a limited resource only. Agreed. Tbh it's not gonna be wise to hold on to spina for a long time. I got 850m on my pocket and I probably need to get that to 1.1b fast before what I need inflates to 2b or something. I don't see any drop in price. Seeing the stats of the upcoming bosses, I predict those would be on the 100 to 200m price range. Less people will farm the easier bosses, making their prices sky rocket.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jan 10, 2016 0:28:07 GMT
if there were only more pro-active people like me...the world woupd be awsome (true story, had a number of bosses reckon "if only i had another few of you, this gig would be like the perfect well oiled machine...) hmm i think i prefer ppl do like me to there being more of me...me and the other me's would prob try to kill each other... You should play alot with yourself then. Keep it on topic please. I'd say its quite on topic as 1 thing many seem to be in agreement on is that its the sh users, botters who form a good part of this headache of painful and unnecessary inflation. if you dont want it, then front up and speak out against these things that screw the game up. its such a terrible lack of ppl doing so which is also a key element to all this. 1 thing I would say I am at least known for now (apart from being an all round ass in some qurters ) is taking a pro-active stance against all this bull sht and directing new players toward necessary sources of information so as they might be kept from taking the nubs aproach of just cheating and in doing so, hopfully enjoying this game a deal of an extent more than they otherwise would. Some might say 1 person cant change anything, but all it really needs is a few voices seen to be continually speaking up for others to follow suit. if you have a problem, then do something about it 0.0 what is it after all that they say about when good people do nothing...
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Jan 10, 2016 0:29:06 GMT
You should play alot with yourself then. Keep it on topic please. I'd say its quite on topic as 1 thing many seem to be in agreement on is that its the sh users, botters who form a good part of this headache of painful and unnecessary inflation. if you dont want it, then front up and speak out against these things that screw the game up. its such a terrible lack of ppl doing so which is also a key element to all this. 1 thing I would say I am at least known for now (apart from being an all round ass in some qurters ) is taking a pro-active stance against all this bull sht and directing new players toward necessary sources of information so as they might be kept from taking the nubs aproach of nust cheating and in doing so, hopfully enjoying this game a deal of an extent than they otherwise would. Some might say 1 person cant change anything, but all it really needs is a few voices seen to be continually speaking up for others to follow suit. if you have a problem, then do something about it 0.0 what is it after all that they say about when good people do nothing... Whatever
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jan 10, 2016 0:40:22 GMT
General population's spina is bigger now than before and continues to grow. Everybody has more spina now so they spend more.
Also has something to do with supply and demand.
I watch market prices of things I farm. E.g. I farmed mezza when it was 50-55m hen stopped when people started buying at 35-40m. Ushilth at 90m stop at 75-80m. Moh was 7m now at 5m. If the supplies stop, prices rise again and I start farming them again.
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Jan 10, 2016 0:48:57 GMT
Some months ago ganei was 13m and now i c 20m n a crazy nob was trying 30m.. now any player can do mq to 220 and kill him in few seconds x.X but why farm hours a boring boss to drop a xtal when u can easilly farm bosses like leviam to get 20m with a ns armor? Sorry for new players searching for good equips D: I think that's what's happening. I wouldn't be surprised if Ganei would be 30 soon. Considering all ninjas use them and ninjas are like the biggest majority. In my friend list alone, I got like 10 ninjas already.
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Post by Crysta| on Jan 10, 2016 0:55:04 GMT
Yes botting/speed hack do add to the inflation but that's only a part of the community. The most of inflation comes from the total players, Iruna is a popular game. More players = more items being NPC'd = inflation. If everyone took an "extremist" stance on speed hack/botting, we could reduce inflation to some degree, however it would still exist because of the millions of players. SH has been around for a long time. If anything, SH should make prices cheaper (easier means to get items) RMT is the biggest incentive to use SH, and RMT causes inflation to rise faster than it should.
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