dt88
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Post by dt88 on Feb 11, 2014 6:09:42 GMT
HI All Iruna-ians,
I got a few question regarding building a dps pally.
1) Does it work well if I max (int), max (agi), rest on (vit). The sword I am thinking of is Hexa. I will not be using hard hit or guardian attack, but rather regular attack, thus I need agi. Reason being that I don't want to level slowly when i do PVE but at the same time i want to be able to tank more than a nail pally.
2) If i am going for the build above, what kind crystal would i be needing?
Thank you guys !!! Cheers.
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Post by inrdemon on Feb 11, 2014 7:07:09 GMT
HI All Iruna-ians, I got a few question regarding building a dps pally. 1) Does it work well if I max (int), max (agi), rest on (vit). The sword I am thinking of is Hexa. I will not be using hard hit or guardian attack, but rather regular attack, thus I need agi. Reason being that I don't want to level slowly when i do PVE but at the same time i want to be able to tank more than a nail pally. 2) If i am going for the build above, what kind crystal would i be needing? Thank you guys !!! Cheers. kudos to u for wanting to try a unorthodox build. Sounds good, only thing is with the lack of dex or crit I'd imagine you would miss a lot of the normal hits u were hoping to achieve. If I were trying the build you're suggesting, I would stop agi at max aspd and choose either dex and guantlet+ to increase hit rate or crit and use crit rate xtals. Again I havent tried it so dont take my opinion as the "right way" but thats just what I'd do.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 11, 2014 7:13:53 GMT
Aside from what was mentioned above regarding hit rate, the best auto attack stat would be CRT as it has multiplier for auto attack damage while increasing your hit rate (upto 95% vs all mobs)
You might want to be a gladiator instead. I have one which I built as VIT/CRT using special sword. I don't need AGI as counter attack procs every time I get hit which makes it look like I'm doing max ASPD although I attack as slow as a snail. I tank 4 mobs at a time to fastkill and can solo berserk bosses upto anubites since LvL 160. My HP without HP gear is 28k with warcry currently at LvL170+.
The same build would have worked with Pally if only Stun Parry procs 100% but it doesn't.
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Feb 11, 2014 7:24:35 GMT
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Post by inrdemon on Feb 11, 2014 7:24:35 GMT
Aside from what was mentioned above regarding hit rate, the best auto attack stat would be CRT as it has multiplier for auto attack damage while increasing your hit rate (upto 95% vs all mobs) You might want to be a gladiator instead. I have one which I built as VIT/CRT using special sword. I don't need AGI as counter attack procs every time I get hit which makes it look like I'm doing max ASPD although I attack as slow as a snail. I tank 4 mobs at a time to fastkill and can solo berserk bosses upto anubites since LvL 160. My HP without HP gear is 28k with warcry currently at LvL170+. The same build would have worked with Pally if only Stun Parry procs 100% but it doesn't. I thot of doing the same thing, but does the -1 atk per crit using special sword get in the way?
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dt88
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Post by dt88 on Feb 11, 2014 7:25:10 GMT
HI All Iruna-ians, I got a few question regarding building a dps pally. 1) Does it work well if I max (int), max (agi), rest on (vit). The sword I am thinking of is Hexa. I will not be using hard hit or guardian attack, but rather regular attack, thus I need agi. Reason being that I don't want to level slowly when i do PVE but at the same time i want to be able to tank more than a nail pally. 2) If i am going for the build above, what kind crystal would i be needing? Thank you guys !!! Cheers. kudos to u for wanting to try a unorthodox build. Sounds good, only thing is with the lack of dex or crit I'd imagine you would miss a lot of the normal hits u were hoping to achieve. If I were trying the build you're suggesting, I would stop agi at max aspd and choose either dex and guantlet+ to increase hit rate or crit and use crit rate xtals. Again I havent tried it so dont take my opinion as the "right way" but thats just what I'd do. Hi inrdemon, Thanks for the heads up. Currently im doing max (crit) , 190 (agi), rest to (vit) but i didnt really miss any plus the speed is really fast. My question is, is dex really that important if i attack fast enough?
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dt88
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Post by dt88 on Feb 11, 2014 7:29:17 GMT
Aside from what was mentioned above regarding hit rate, the best auto attack stat would be CRT as it has multiplier for auto attack damage while increasing your hit rate (upto 95% vs all mobs) You might want to be a gladiator instead. I have one which I built as VIT/CRT using special sword. I don't need AGI as counter attack procs every time I get hit which makes it look like I'm doing max ASPD although I attack as slow as a snail. I tank 4 mobs at a time to fastkill and can solo berserk bosses upto anubites since LvL 160. My HP without HP gear is 28k with warcry currently at LvL170+. The same build would have worked with Pally if only Stun Parry procs 100% but it doesn't. Hi miligrito, Are you saying that i should be concentrating on (dex) and leaving (agi) zero? Up till now i still got no clue on a fast agi type build for pally. (int) is a must if i were to use magic sword. (vit) to increase health and defence. so what should i pump my stats to for the rest? im currently level 175 and im sick of (agi), (crit), (rest to vit) pally build because i always die when im hitting magic mobs. Please help me !!! Thank you so much !!
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 11, 2014 7:30:05 GMT
Aside from what was mentioned above regarding hit rate, the best auto attack stat would be CRT as it has multiplier for auto attack damage while increasing your hit rate (upto 95% vs all mobs) You might want to be a gladiator instead. I have one which I built as VIT/CRT using special sword. I don't need AGI as counter attack procs every time I get hit which makes it look like I'm doing max ASPD although I attack as slow as a snail. I tank 4 mobs at a time to fastkill and can solo berserk bosses upto anubites since LvL 160. My HP without HP gear is 28k with warcry currently at LvL170+. The same build would have worked with Pally if only Stun Parry procs 100% but it doesn't. I thot of doing the same thing, but does the -1 atk per crit using special sword get in the way? Of course it does get in the way, but I don't mind because I can multimob attack to make out what I lost in damage potential. You should see how many numbers pop up when you attack 4 mobs. It's DPS like crazy.
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Feb 11, 2014 7:32:46 GMT
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Post by inrdemon on Feb 11, 2014 7:32:46 GMT
kudos to u for wanting to try a unorthodox build. Sounds good, only thing is with the lack of dex or crit I'd imagine you would miss a lot of the normal hits u were hoping to achieve. If I were trying the build you're suggesting, I would stop agi at max aspd and choose either dex and guantlet+ to increase hit rate or crit and use crit rate xtals. Again I havent tried it so dont take my opinion as the "right way" but thats just what I'd do. Hi inrdemon, Thanks for the heads up. Currently im doing max (crit) , 190 (agi), rest to (vit) but i didnt really miss any plus the speed is really fast. My question is, is dex really that important if i attack fast enough? oh if u already did crit then dex isnt needed...I just thought u didnt have either
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 11, 2014 7:33:44 GMT
Aside from what was mentioned above regarding hit rate, the best auto attack stat would be CRT as it has multiplier for auto attack damage while increasing your hit rate (upto 95% vs all mobs) You might want to be a gladiator instead. I have one which I built as VIT/CRT using special sword. I don't need AGI as counter attack procs every time I get hit which makes it look like I'm doing max ASPD although I attack as slow as a snail. I tank 4 mobs at a time to fastkill and can solo berserk bosses upto anubites since LvL 160. My HP without HP gear is 28k with warcry currently at LvL170+. The same build would have worked with Pally if only Stun Parry procs 100% but it doesn't. Hi miligrito, Are you saying that i should be concentrating on (dex) and leaving (agi) zero? Up till now i still got no clue on a fast agi type build for pally. (int) is a must if i were to use magic sword. (vit) to increase health and defence. so what should i pump my stats to for the rest? im currently level 175 and im sick of (agi), (crit), (rest to vit) pally build because i always die when im hitting magic mobs. Please help me !!! Thank you so much !! My point is you can't auto DPS with a pally. If you can reset, you can be a berserk build (CRT/VIT/STR or CRT/VIT/INT (aside from the standard guardian build), but other than that, there isn't really an effective way. Mind you, guardian is good DPS too when you multimob. It's a bit heavy on pots via solo tho, so always be with a bishop.
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dt88
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Post by dt88 on Feb 11, 2014 7:37:20 GMT
Hi miligrito, Are you saying that i should be concentrating on (dex) and leaving (agi) zero? Up till now i still got no clue on a fast agi type build for pally. (int) is a must if i were to use magic sword. (vit) to increase health and defence. so what should i pump my stats to for the rest? im currently level 175 and im sick of (agi), (crit), (rest to vit) pally build because i always die when im hitting magic mobs. Please help me !!! Thank you so much !! My point is you can't auto DPS with a pally. If you can reset, you can be a berserk build (CRT/VIT/STR or CRT/VIT/INT (aside from the standard guardian build), but other than that, there isn't really an effective way. Mind you, guardian is good DPS too when you multimob. It's a bit heavy on pots via solo tho, so always be with a bishop. Thank you so much !!! Im kinda interested in the CRT/VIT/INT build. I should try it out later. do you know the ratio of those build? Max CRT/INT rest to VIT? Does this build depends on skills too? im lazy thats why i wanted auto dps. hahaha
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 11, 2014 8:03:01 GMT
I'm lazy too which is why I built my glad VIT/CRT so I could AFK level with aggre mobs. XD I just need to rebuff counter every 10minutes or so.
I never really figured out how much VIT is right so I just maxed it. You can never have too much VIT when you are a pally anyway.
So it would be CRT/VIT with special sword and eventually magic or normal sword when you get around 100 INT or STR.
If you can get the VIT number that you are comfortable with (say 100 or 150), you can have less of it and boost your damage stat early.
I've heard gladiator cap levels do max CRT and STR with some VIT. I think you could do similar.
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Post by Senpai on Feb 11, 2014 9:20:54 GMT
funny how most crt builds are for lazy people, but yeah. my pally is a max vit>140 agi>crt build which allows me to semi-afk FG at lvl 133 till her barrier pops up, but what i like most about this build is that in a party i'm not just a meatshield, since i autoattack 4 times in between every provoke amd my damage is around 900-1.4k at 13 crt
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Feb 12, 2014 6:49:02 GMT
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Post by tasm on Feb 12, 2014 6:49:02 GMT
I think pally needs vit, period, and there's no way around it. Vit is the tanking stat and most important for defenses, hp, guardian dmg... A pt will always take a pally with solid hp, and pally's hp can push beyond 70k. Hp is pally's lifeline solowise as well. Potions based on hp, aready covered dmg (guardian) bse through hp. Also, hp increasing passive, defense increasing passives, resist increasing passives, and actives...
So, I'd recommend a build around max vit, even if using crt (Senpai's build is basically the one I'd recommend). I made a joke thread before about a dps pally's choice build. What one would focus on is cap vit, cap agi, cap crt. It'd balance crt with dex for guardian spamming, but, since you don't want to use that particular skill, dex would be the leftover 4th stat. Weapon is special bow.
So vit first until comfty, some crt/agi (use crimson ribbon, then auler up blailard, etc. until you can finish agi, which will be a late level) but mostly crt, then finish vit. After, back to crt. Maybe cap crt before pursuing agi.
Lvl 200 stat something like. 256 vit, 200+ crt, 140+ agi (using an auler up or something similar). Xtals always will be hp%. The damage will of course be kinda poor in comparison to other class, but it's a paladin. I also could see issue with aggro generation when tanking due to the lack of dex. This build, really is solo pally and not a party pally.
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Post by AnTz on Feb 12, 2014 8:23:17 GMT
Haha.. finally find some1 with same idea with me. I'm pally with INT-VIT-DEX build. All this time, I always think how to increase my offense. Pally's skill 85% is all about defense. I understand that coz pally's role is guardian of party, to bcome strong shield so damager & dps class can attack smoothly. But, really, lack of offensive ability make me so jealous with other classes. I even cant solo shojo without burn some sp rev ale , Even when lvling at mob, yea, I got guardian.. useful when u hav bishop with u, but if I at solo farming.. I can say my own guardian can kill me..lol >< So, I conclude there's 2 way to improve my attack: 1. Build a berserk pally (INT-VIT-CRT). wait caps bcome at least 20 lvl from now to get some result (INT & VIT max, CRT 158) 2. Build a Dps pally (VIT-CRT-AGI). Use spec sword. Put 90 Agi (with auler blaiard to max aspd). Or Use berserk pally build, but with some agi.. well.. that still nid lv260 to be good thou >< Idk if those plans can work well, but I willing to try. If it not worked, I just nid to reset back
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 12, 2014 8:50:37 GMT
I think pally needs vit, period, and there's no way around it. Vit is the tanking stat and most important for defenses, hp, guardian dmg... A pt will always take a pally with solid hp, and pally's hp can push beyond 70k. Hp is pally's lifeline solowise as well. Potions based on hp, aready covered dmg (guardian) bse through hp. Also, hp increasing passive, defense increasing passives, resist increasing passives, and actives... So, I'd recommend a build around max vit, even if using crt (Senpai's build is basically the one I'd recommend). I made a joke thread before about a dps pally's choice build. What one would focus on is cap vit, cap agi, cap crt. It'd balance crt with dex for guardian spamming, but, since you don't want to use that particular skill, dex would be the leftover 4th stat. Weapon is special bow. So vit first until comfty, some crt/agi (use crimson ribbon, then auler up blailard, etc. until you can finish agi, which will be a late level) but mostly crt, then finish vit. After, back to crt. Maybe cap crt before pursuing agi. Lvl 200 stat something like. 256 vit, 200+ crt, 140+ agi (using an auler up or something similar). Xtals always will be hp%. The damage will of course be kinda poor in comparison to other class, but it's a paladin. I also could see issue with aggro generation when tanking due to the lack of dex. This build, really is solo pally and not a party pally. At LvL200, the attack will be poor because of the CRT penalty for special sword, or VIT penalty if you choose special bow. I reckon you'd barely have 1k ATK even with the help of ATK xtals (since you don't have weapon mastery (your best bonus is Battle Mastery, and your only ATK buff is a warcry)) I would find it easier to build and level a guardian pally than an auto attack pally, which is why I don't think an auto attack pally is a viable build.
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