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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 14, 2014 2:33:54 GMT
Sorry, my HP was with warcry and gear so I checked again. I have around 25k base hp with my gladiator at 177 with max VIT (almost 30k with warcry) and I checked my Pally is at 21k base hp at 163 but only has 242VIT. I failed to notice that my Pally was wearing santa gloves Kaise Plitz since I had to give the RR ganei to my Gladiator. I reckon 30k base hp would be somewhere around 190 or so without buffs. asked because my lvl 133 max vit app pally only has around 13-14k base hp. That looks ok since mobs and bosses around that level doesn't really hit you hard since you have good def. You'd only consider an HP gear for taking on higher level mobs and bosses. Before Guardian at 160, I was mostly doing hard hits with an upgraded Exelis and ATK gear, even for boss grinds since I party up with a bishop anyway. The good thing with low hp and high def is you get to live with Rev L which is cheaper compared to Onigiri. (I even used stoic seeds)
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Post by Senpai on Feb 14, 2014 2:50:06 GMT
asked because my lvl 133 max vit app pally only has around 13-14k base hp. That looks ok since mobs and bosses around that level doesn't really hit you hard since you have good def. You'd only consider an HP gear for taking on higher level mobs and bosses. Before Guardian at 160, I was mostly doing hard hits with an upgraded Exelis and ATK gear, even for boss grinds since I party up with a bishop anyway. The good thing with low hp and high def is you get to live with Rev L which is cheaper compared to Onigiri. (I even used stoic seeds) all my sets are slot piton, which give me +60% hp, i am content with my dps as autoattack user, it it comes to the worst i spam hard hit since i have an mp pool of 2k and 30k hp.
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Feb 14, 2014 3:55:35 GMT
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Post by AnTz on Feb 14, 2014 3:55:35 GMT
At lv250 I think best choice ll be INT-VIT-CRT with some AGI. Yea, it ll be low dmg dps, but u're a paladin. U blessed with high hp n high def & mdef. Not a good dps, but theorically u can do anything, grind mob solo boss, not depending to party anymore
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Feb 14, 2014 9:14:21 GMT
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Post by maximo24 on Feb 14, 2014 9:14:21 GMT
Ok im a paladin lv 169 so in my experience been pali I recommend use claws to lv 160 my first build was like 69 vit 30 int 256 agi and 120 crt you going to be able to kill alot of mob and bosses easy my gear it wasn't expesive I use regular claws ref 9 with boss colon weis upgrade wit int 3 crystal be wings with walmut xtail and wisdom erring wit hit 30 for more accuracy or I use wind earrings after lv 160 is when the good stuff comes for a paladin guardian is base atk on hp soo the more hp u have more damg so I does great damg when u are full hp then u have to reset ur build to tank mode 256 vit like 90 int and 160 or more dex why this build and what to use I tell you paladin have the advantage of have 2 pasive skill physical def and magic boost def so with max vit and like 90 int ur def is goi g to be like mag def 450 physical like 650 so ur not going to get alot damg so agi is not need anymore since u get really low dmg then boost ur hp try to use the bes hp % u can have like 17 % hp my hp is 47 k so why high hp because the hp is ur damg at my leve I hit over 8 k for sec with guardian I use chain mail up plus piton xtail heavy broad sword that sword so many people underestimate but is based on vit dex and str and is cheaper then hexe use hbs with hp 17 mini haniwa hp 17 wisdom earring hp 17 so u hp is boost like 90% so guadian skill going to do masive damg sso u goi g to be sloow if you go for dps but u can hit almost every sec 8 k I hope this help
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Post by Senpai on Feb 14, 2014 11:19:59 GMT
ok, these are my stats as a lvl 134 vit/agi/crt pally only using piton set which gives me 60% more hp and 40% more mp, armour used is katzbalger s piton 169+7/ shiorito s piton d14+7/ edel hood s piton d13+7/ wisdon earring s piton
no buffs with warcry with warcry and defence. if i could be bothered i'd make a video about me semi-afking FG. untill her barrier when i mix up hard hits with auto attacks. and having max aspd allows me to hit 3-4 times between provoke cooldowns, which adds to 2-4k damage double that on dark elemental mobs. when i get to lvl 200-ish i plan to make a balls deep dps set with katz slot plazu, shiroito slot mineaga, maybe a k plitz on additional or hp+20% and a ganei on slot special.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 14, 2014 11:23:32 GMT
Ok im a paladin lv 169 so in my experience been pali I recommend use claws to lv 160 my first build was like 69 vit 30 int 256 agi and 120 crt you going to be able to kill alot of mob and bosses easy my gear it wasn't expesive I use regular claws ref 9 with boss colon weis upgrade wit int 3 crystal be wings with walmut xtail and wisdom erring wit hit 30 for more accuracy or I use wind earrings after lv 160 is when the good stuff comes for a paladin guardian is base atk on hp soo the more hp u have more damg so I does great damg when u are full hp then u have to reset ur build to tank mode 256 vit like 90 int and 160 or more dex why this build and what to use I tell you paladin have the advantage of have 2 pasive skill physical def and magic boost def so with max vit and like 90 int ur def is goi g to be like mag def 450 physical like 650 so ur not going to get alot damg so agi is not need anymore since u get really low dmg then boost ur hp try to use the bes hp % u can have like 17 % hp my hp is 47 k so why high hp because the hp is ur damg at my leve I hit over 8 k for sec with guardian I use chain mail up plus piton xtail heavy broad sword that sword so many people underestimate but is based on vit dex and str and is cheaper then hexe use hbs with hp 17 mini haniwa hp 17 wisdom earring hp 17 so u hp is boost like 90% so guadian skill going to do masive damg sso u goi g to be sloow if you go for dps but u can hit almost every sec 8 k I hope this help If you use atk gear with xtal like suigetsu or schlingel you should hit around 9 or 10k.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 18:28:02 GMT
Im reading this topic and im gonna have to say that a paladin is not meant to be an auto attack dps nor is it good dps. The best dps would be from hard hit and berserk.
If you want the best dps from a paladin you will need to sacrifice defense and if you want the best defense your going to have to sacrifice dps.
The best dps you will get from a pure tank paladin would be INT-VIT-CRT using a magic sword. This shouldnt be that effective until crt is at atleast 180+ and if you max both VIT and INT for maximum tanking, then this wont be effective till around level 228.
The best dps from a half/vit only tank would be STR-VIT-CRT using a normal sword. Highest damage output with berserk. Magic would still beat you up though.
For Hard Hit dps then VIT-STR-DEX would be the best while using a special sword.
I would say agi is useless for a paladin besides if your going agi/crt for leveling. Any other use of an agi/crt paladin is actually hurting the game play style of a paladin. Even though it seems like having max attack speed is good, people don't realize that those points can be used to increase damage.
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Post by Senpai on Feb 14, 2014 19:44:30 GMT
Im reading this topic and im gonna have to say that a paladin is not meant to be an auto attack dps nor is it good dps. The best dps would be from hard hit and berserk. If you want the best dps from a paladin you will need to sacrifice defense and if you want the best defense your going to have to sacrifice dps. The best dps you will get from a pure tank paladin would be INT-VIT-CRT using a magic sword. This shouldnt be that effective until crt is at atleast 180+ and if you max both VIT and INT for maximum tanking, then this wont be effective till around level 228. The best dps from a half/vit only tank would be STR-VIT-CRT using a normal sword. Highest damage output with berserk. Magic would still beat you up though. For Hard Hit dps then VIT-STR-DEX would be the best while using a special sword. I would say agi is useless for a paladin besides if your going agi/crt for leveling. Any other use of an agi/crt paladin is actually hurting the game play style of a paladin. Even though it seems like having max attack speed is good, people don't realize that those points can be used to increase damage. best dps will always be berserk build, this also applies to gladiators, yet people go for str/agi/crt builds mostly.some people don't like being mana reliant and go for agi crt, i personally am more useful in a pty than a vit/int build since i'm also dealing damage between provokes, whereas the vit>int build doesn't do much. and i'd much rather attack 4 times with decent attacks than 1-2 with "good ones", that also have chance to miss (this is applying to the vit/int, not vit dex)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 15, 2014 2:02:31 GMT
Agi crt str builds are great at lower levels. Most of them became ninja at higher levels.
I don't think 6k hard hit or 8k to 10k guardian damage per second is considered low enough to be insignificant. This can bring down dark bosses like fg and schlingel in under 20 seconds solo.
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Feb 16, 2014 8:02:24 GMT
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Post by AnTz on Feb 16, 2014 8:02:24 GMT
Well, at lv256 later, dps pally can be made like this: INT (max) - VIT (max) - CRT (180) - AGI (86). Look good enough to me. U wont deal high dmg. But u can auto atk while grind mob (less sit) n u only nid to concentrate in heal when vs boss (solo). When farm in pt, u still can spam guardian, so ur role as tank still good.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 16, 2014 12:49:57 GMT
Well, at lv256 later, dps pally can be made like this: INT (max) - VIT (max) - CRT (180) - AGI (86). Look good enough to me. U wont deal high dmg. But u can auto atk while grind mob (less sit) n u only nid to concentrate in heal when vs boss (solo). When farm in pt, u still can spam guardian, so ur role as tank still good. i think you still need to lose some stat in vit to make good dps. 180crt is only 60crit rate, plus base of 5 and probably schwartz or shiorito lands you about 75 rate which means u miss around 1 out of 4 attacks. also crt comes with dmg multiplier which is why you want it to be high. btw, if you dont make max aspd, your dps will be even lower. my point is, there are 2 important stats in auto attack, 1 is hit rate, the other is attack speed. if you dont have those, your auto attack will be awful.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:52:26 GMT
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Post by kronikk on Feb 16, 2014 21:52:26 GMT
Im reading this topic and im gonna have to say that a paladin is not meant to be an auto attack dps nor is it good dps. The best dps would be from hard hit and berserk. If you want the best dps from a paladin you will need to sacrifice defense and if you want the best defense your going to have to sacrifice dps. The best dps you will get from a pure tank paladin would be INT-VIT-CRT using a magic sword. This shouldnt be that effective until crt is at atleast 180+ and if you max both VIT and INT for maximum tanking, then this wont be effective till around level 228. The best dps from a half/vit only tank would be STR-VIT-CRT using a normal sword. Highest damage output with berserk. Magic would still beat you up though. For Hard Hit dps then VIT-STR-DEX would be the best while using a special sword. I would say agi is useless for a paladin besides if your going agi/crt for leveling. Any other use of an agi/crt paladin is actually hurting the game play style of a paladin. Even though it seems like having max attack speed is good, people don't realize that those points can be used to increase damage. best dps will always be berserk build, this also applies to gladiators, yet people go for str/agi/crt builds mostly.some people don't like being mana reliant and go for agi crt, i personally am more useful in a pty than a vit/int build since i'm also dealing damage between provokes, whereas the vit>int build doesn't do much. and i'd much rather attack 4 times with decent attacks than 1-2 with "good ones", that also have chance to miss (this is applying to the vit/int, not vit dex) when u reach 160 and active with farming boss in pt,u ll find that vit/int build better bcause before u only usefull with can deal more damage while waiting delay provoke.once u got guardian with exelis up,u can deal damage very fast without agi and at same time u keep the hate without using provoke.
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Post by Senpai on Feb 16, 2014 22:00:17 GMT
best dps will always be berserk build, this also applies to gladiators, yet people go for str/agi/crt builds mostly.some people don't like being mana reliant and go for agi crt, i personally am more useful in a pty than a vit/int build since i'm also dealing damage between provokes, whereas the vit>int build doesn't do much. and i'd much rather attack 4 times with decent attacks than 1-2 with "good ones", that also have chance to miss (this is applying to the vit/int, not vit dex) when u reach 160 and active with farming boss in pt,u ll find u are useless than vit/int build bcause before u only usefull with can deal more damage while waiting delay provoke.once u got guardian with exelis up,u can deal damage very fast without agi and at same time u keep the hate without using provoke. i can still have guardian, with atleast 2 autoattacks inbetween it since it\s almost equal to hard it. (completely making specualtions here correct me if i'm wrong) at 160 i will have max vit, max aspd and around 100 crit,, using shirotio upg, katz, edel hood and wisdom earring.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 17, 2014 3:26:03 GMT
when u reach 160 and active with farming boss in pt,u ll find u are useless than vit/int build bcause before u only usefull with can deal more damage while waiting delay provoke.once u got guardian with exelis up,u can deal damage very fast without agi and at same time u keep the hate without using provoke. i can still have guardian, with atleast 2 autoattacks inbetween it since it\s almost equal to hard it. (completely making specualtions here correct me if i'm wrong) at 160 i will have max vit, max aspd and around 100 crit,, using shirotio upg, katz, edel hood and wisdom earring. At 100 crit your hit rate is around 33% +5% base. Your damage multiplier would be around 2x, assuming you have 1k atk would be 2k crit dmg, 3.2k double. Around 3k/4.8k against dark. You'd hit around 2 times per second but you miss more than half the time. So your supposed DPS of 2 hits x 2k dmg is penalized with 1 miss. This ends up with 2k dmg per second (instead of 4k). If you went guardian, you would be doing around 5k to 6k per second and 8k to 10k versus dark. I'm not sure if 1x guardian 2x attack would be enough to hold aggro, but even if it did, why not just spam guardian since it deals better DPS anyway, even with your AGI/VIT/CRT build?
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Post by Senpai on Feb 17, 2014 4:29:14 GMT
i can still have guardian, with atleast 2 autoattacks inbetween it since it\s almost equal to hard it. (completely making specualtions here correct me if i'm wrong) at 160 i will have max vit, max aspd and around 100 crit,, using shirotio upg, katz, edel hood and wisdom earring. At 100 crit your hit rate is around 33% +5% base. Your damage multiplier would be around 2x, assuming you have 1k atk would be 2k crit dmg, 3.2k double. Around 3k/4.8k against dark. You'd hit around 2 times per second but you miss more than half the time. So your supposed DPS of 2 hits x 2k dmg is penalized with 1 miss. This ends up with 2k dmg per second (instead of 4k). If you went guardian, you would be doing around 5k to 6k per second and 8k to 10k versus dark. I'm not sure if 1x guardian 2x attack would be enough to hold aggro, but even if it did, why not just spam guardian since it deals better DPS anyway, even with your AGI/VIT/CRT build? as for now i', still apprentice pally at 134, fooling around with hard hit spam i noticed i do 2 atuoattacks beween cooldowns , 4 attacks betwenn provokes will comment on how my guardian/auoatack dpes when i get there, all i did just now was specualte about cooldown. oh and i also wanted to know if hate rise from guardian is higher than provoke.
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