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Post by Owe on May 2, 2021 5:57:20 GMT
Nice! Honestly I saw sacred robe and that’s where I got the idea for silver mail, didn’t know if the hate penalty would affect tanking in pt too much, but I honestly doubt it would any haha
Excited to see what you have in store 👍
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Post by blackghost on May 2, 2021 8:50:30 GMT
May 02, 2021
This experiment sparks joy.
I've finally gotten Enina II and Flash of day Al. Giving me light magic +25% in total. Very god tier of me if I do say so myself.
Experiment 5:
I used the original test equips but as a quick reminder:
Accord sword (ideaus) Struggler (Gewalt) White maid headdress (Gewalt) Hero's Sword sheath (Gewalt)
Results:
Average dmg per autoskill 15k, 22K with spell boost, DPS 37K full mp berserk.
This was a huge upgrade.
Conclusion:
I knew this build had a lot of room to grow and I was right. Look at this. I only used auto attack to do dmg but I've already gone pass the 33k barrier. I haven't even used a Fred or wizard.
Once I get the light magic relics I'm gonna evolve to get in the ass of all the dark mobs. I'm looking at you Biflog and Enina.
Tho its just 4K more DPS it signifies progress.
Gonna put biflog next for that light magic +5%.
Going to also test the light magic +% next.
The set being
Excalibur (tsubame)/(light enhancer III) Sacred Robe (Gewalt) Light bulb (Gewalt) Unknown sword piece
Unfortunately sacred robe has a slight Matk boost which may corrupt the experiment? This well since it's the only armor I can find with light magic. Even if I find out light mgc>autoskill>MATK the robe would end up being what I'd use anyway.
Tho honestly I don't know bout this one chief.
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on May 3, 2021 1:40:30 GMT
Have you tried killing ep4+ bosses with this experiment?
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Post by blackghost on May 3, 2021 2:23:05 GMT
Have you tried killing ep4+ bosses with this experiment? I did test it on Enina lvl310 while farming an Enina II, I beat her and I only died once. I also didn't use holy thrust or oath so I'd say its somewhat optimal for battle. Tho that was all before I added the flash of day Al and Enina II Al so it should go much better now. When I'm done perfecting the build I'm gonna do a boss run from EP3-5.
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Post by blackghost on May 17, 2021 16:17:49 GMT
I understand that I am fokin retarded. Imagine in my earlier experiments I used my enchanter alt's DPS as a milestone which was 15k but sure as shat three of my vital skills were under levelled. I am amazed that I cleared all of episode 4 in this condition (reminds me of my noob paladin days when I didn't know I should update the shortcuts whenever I get a skill upgraded and ended up soloing episode 3 with lvl1 skills only. Had to develope in-battle tactics like a MF).
So I got my skills updated and went experimenting.
With my usual dark set: eraser (Dunkelis), bellow of order (dunkelis), Fallen angel wing/angel ring (ideaus), hero's sword sheath (Ideaus) my DPS went to 23K and 26k with spell boost buff. 13-15k per autoskill.
Decided to use the autoskill test equips: accord sword (ideaus) Emido (Gewalt), white maid headdress (Gewalt), jevali bangle and got 27k dps, no spell boost buff used, 8-9k per autoskill.
Yeah, I have the same expression as you right now. Like, wtf. The sheer proc rate per second was more than enough to overwhelm the matk again?! Autoskill+% is god tier in every way for autoskill builds.
Btw I had 6 purple lines and autoskill lvl3 buff activated with interval cut from javali and half the time everything proc at the same time in the test equip test. Maybe by now my total autoskill+% is maybe 50%-80%? Dang.
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Post by blackghost on Jun 22, 2021 6:57:44 GMT
Aight its been awhile but that's because I was trying to get a flash of day xtal to see how it compares with ideaus.
Also still gathering the light magic relics (cash is the problem), trying to get a caliburn (availability is the problem) and a Stone of holy (the drop rate the problem).
It took a while but I finally got that Flash of Day xtal. But it gave identical DMG as the ideaus.
Flash of Day Melee+15% to Dark, Light magic +15% Ignite when defeated
Ideaus ATK&MATK+5% Adds ATK+10% if STR>249. Adds MATK+10% if INT>249.
You see the problem here? Both are +15% enhancement to light magic autoskill attacks. Of fUcKiN cOuRsE it gIvEs IdEnTiCaL dAmAgE. I guess the flash of day has a slight edge when fighting a dark mob as it has melee to dark+15% so I should keep using it instead. But it puts into question light magic+% vs matk+% once again. Mayhaps the equips just gave too disproportionate individual boosts when I tested them? Well PIE, I'll have to do it all over again
T-T | | | | | | | |
I'm not crying you are crying don't look at me waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh I don't wanna do it all over again but I have to FOR SCIENCE
Aight so here's how we finna do this. We are gonna do A LOT OF MATH AND METH then we're gonna take equips with a certain amount of matk+% boosts then we're gonna take some equips with the SAME amount of light magic+% boosts then we're gonna TEST THE LIVING PIE OUTTA THEM AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT WHICH IS TOP DOG
As for how we'll test them:
First: against 10M HP nuetral
Second: against some random dark boss mob (woah be to his soul and may his death being good exp. R. I. P.)
But before all of this I'll have to scan every light magic+% and matk+% AGAIN (will probably check the math on every "x up by x" equip).
Let the hunger games begin
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Post by otiu on Jun 23, 2021 7:36:42 GMT
conclusion - It failed
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Post by blackghost on Jun 24, 2021 4:48:19 GMT
Conclusion: You didn't read much and decided to talk out your ass. New rule: If I don't find your insults/jokes funny enough I will roast you. Like, even a giggle will do. Above comment was mid. 6/10. Will not read again.
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♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Jun 26, 2021 13:45:12 GMT
(hehe pally yul goes brrrrrr)
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Post by blackghost on Jun 26, 2021 16:09:43 GMT
(hehe pally yul goes brrrrrr) it do be going brrrr tho
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Oct 25, 2021 8:28:54 GMT
Any update?
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Post by blackghost on Oct 26, 2021 0:56:08 GMT
Currently trying to get a Caliburn, I already outfitted my specia blessed stone with 2 flash of days (took way longer than expected) and trying to get another 2 for my struggler and accord sword, also trying to get more light magic+1% relic crystas. Of course, as per the rules of being a set anyone can get, I'm farming every xtal myself and buying only the caliburn. When I do get the Caliburn I'll test it out vs the Accord sword (I know its prolly better tho). If I'm lucky I'll be finished early next yeary
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Post by blackghost on Nov 6, 2021 16:23:06 GMT
Aight its been awhile but that's because I was trying to get a flash of day xtal to see how it compares with ideaus. Also still gathering the light magic relics (cash is the problem), trying to get a caliburn (availability is the problem) and a Stone of holy (the drop rate the problem). It took a while but I finally got that Flash of Day xtal. But it gave identical DMG as the ideaus. Flash of Day Melee+15% to Dark, Light magic +15% Ignite when defeated Ideaus ATK&MATK+5% Adds ATK+10% if STR>249. Adds MATK+10% if INT>249. You see the problem here? Both are +15% enhancement to light magic autoskill attacks. Of fUcKiN cOuRsE it gIvEs IdEnTiCaL dAmAgE. I guess the flash of day has a slight edge when fighting a dark mob as it has melee to dark+15% so I should keep using it instead. But it puts into question light magic+% vs matk+% once again. Mayhaps the equips just gave too disproportionate individual boosts when I tested them? Well PIE, I'll have to do it all over again T-T | | | | | | | | I'm not crying you are crying don't look at me waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh I don't wanna do it all over again but I have to FOR SCIENCE Aight so here's how we finna do this. We are gonna do A LOT OF MATH AND METH then we're gonna take equips with a certain amount of matk+% boosts then we're gonna take some equips with the SAME amount of light magic+% boosts then we're gonna TEST THE LIVING PIE OUTTA THEM AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT WHICH IS TOP DOG As for how we'll test them: First: against 10M HP nuetral Second: against some random dark boss mob (woah be to his soul and may his death being good exp. R. I. P.) But before all of this I'll have to scan every light magic+% and matk+% AGAIN (will probably check the math on every "x up by x" equip). Let the hunger games begin I forgot to talk about this but I decided for the sake of the overall fighting style I'm sticking with flash of day. The plan is to combine holy thrust with the light magic autoskil during battle. Because an auto built would conserve mp better than a skill spam build. Trying to solve 2 problems that the traditional guardian build has: taking more damage than what the boss is dealing to you because guardian takes a lot of HP in the long run, so much so that the HP pots aren't for dealing with the boss's damage but for dealing with the damage from guardian. The second problem is the MP drain that holy thrust has. I figured that if you don't use mp as your main source of damage then there's nothing to worry about. And a ran the test I said I was going to do and found that I'm better off with my current equips for the testing after all.
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Pixie
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Profile pic wip by @Acetyl
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Post by Pixie on Nov 27, 2021 6:42:10 GMT
*Twiddles thumbs and continues to watch results*
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Post by blackghost on Nov 27, 2021 23:50:46 GMT
The final conclusion: Sad nibba hours
So by some miraculous miracle an old acquainting about a month ago gave me a Silver mail 2s (Flash of day×2) so I got the remaining flash of days sooner than expected. Reason why I didn't post earlier is because I was busy trying to get two extract crysas (the ones with a 0% chance of failure extracting) which takes two weeks of guild points gathering for each crysta. I extracted them then slapped them where they're supposed to be and went straight to experiment.
So I first experimented with the regular set of xtals and found that my DPS dropped? Not only the damage on the autoskills but the proc rate itself dropped to an unreasonable extent.
My damage per autoskill went from 13k-15k to 9.8k-13k
I actually had more VIT and INT from before so I thought I'd get more damage with the struggler (Gewalt) but my DPS actually dropped.
I thought I was seeing things so I went back to this section and reread everything and saw that my damage did take a step back so I asked "What's the difference between now and then? What changed?" Then I realized
It was the rebalance patch
They further nerfed Gewalt xtal more than it already was.
Even the proc rate got fucked when I checked the screenshots of previous tests. I even mixed it with holy thrust (did 309k damage which is 👌
To further test this theory I went to my ench who was now lvl346 and tested the set. Despite having similar MATK stats and light magic+% to my pally my ench did more damage per autoskill drastically. Going up to 16k-23k per autoskill.
It's like Asobimo said "Know your place" to every offense based autoskill users in the game that aren't enchanters (Rip Auto Adventurer)
In conclusion, it might've been possible before but It's best to leave the build here. Even if I made it somewhat viable, I feel like Asobimo will find some way to buttfuck it again.
Its been a fun time doing this build. But I guess I'll have to say goodbye to it.
Unless of course, Asobimo released a paladin skill that drastically increases light magic or an equip that would increase light damage or autoskill rate drastically this build will stay dead.
Maybe I'll find some other completely unorthodox test build?
Let's discuss things learnt from this
Berserk has a bug that let's you use items while using berserk. You can do it by activating berserk between the time the previous item was consumed and the next item will be consumed. The code gets confused and thinks the item delay time is normal and it carries on as such. Unclear if this works with forms of beserk higher than the first lvl but I've taken advantage of this glitch to get my mp back to max so I can spam beserk. Haven't checked if anyone else knows this.
In an autoskill build its best to get autoskill+% before anything else.
Gloria is more vital for paladins than I previously realized. Maybe just as necessary as war cry.
Grand Crusade drops magic damage, don't use it. Might negatively affect holy thrust? Idk.
That's all folks. Have a good night.
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