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Post by blackghost on Apr 7, 2021 21:54:52 GMT
I'm not a paladin myself but I'd like to share my ideas here. Fairy Tale World Spoon II ◇Carinae Ira (last up) ◇Carinae Sector Plastor (last up) ◇Carinae Soul sucker fang ◇Jahoel ☆Autoskill 1-5 Also shout out to this guy for giving me the idea to make a melee to light autoskill build after I finish with this light magic autoskill build. Why did I think its a good idea? Because paladins centre around physical offense over magic offense anyway even if the autoskill that would be responsible for increasing the DPS is not really good at all.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 10, 2021 23:39:28 GMT
Holy Hell I fell asleep while typing this and posted an incomplete version April 10, 2021 This experiment was sponsored by Pixie who let me borrow his angel ring. Its quite likely I would not have come to today's weird conclusion otherwise. Today I tried out an Angel ring (ideaus) with the regular equips and see how it compares to white maid headdress and I cane to very concerning conclusions. Result: Today the DPS doesn't even matter cause it was equal in average DPS. Despite being uneven in other ways, I'll clarify. Conclusion: The boost the white mai headdress gives caps at +10% for melee to light, light magic and dark resistance no matter how much the sum of your INT and DEX and the which increases my light magic autoskills by 10% and if I happen to ever use a physical light autoskill it alsp increases damage by 10%. But the angel ring (ideaus) is not only giving me +30% MATK but also gives light MGC +3%. If you know how elemental MGC works you know that under certain conditions that light MGC +10% is no different from MATK +20% but even with that the angel wing should easily dwarf the white maid headdress in damage which it does by 2k-3.5k more DMG per autoskill, so how did the white maid headdress give just as much DPS? Unexpectedly the autoskill +6% somehow compensated for the +20% magic gap (I say that because these were not the right conditions to further increase the damage). I think, this only happened because its an autoskill build, if I were a bishop using just regular light skills then something like the autoskill boost the equip gave wouldn't even matter, btw this equip is a generic bishop equip, I checked. But could this be closer to an enchanter equip? Explains a lot actually. Devs slipped it right under our noses. We all thought complete light sets didn't exist, well here we are. The only thing I can think of better than this is a light bulb II or the maid headdress (upgraded 1). What surprised me even more is that for autoskill-aspd builds Autoskill+%>MATK+% (atk+% too) by FAR (in contrast autoskill+% in skill spam builds have no place). I would never imagine that autoskill+6% was just as potent as a whole ass MATK+20%. No wonder the most autoskill+% you can get on an equip is 14%. This changes every way I'm going about this from now on. I'm gonna have to even further revise my equips and xtals as well as apostilia. Like, seriously this changes everything and now I might have to do even MORE equip experiments (is this how scientists feel when they discover something field changing to their studies? I'm happy I'm getting closer to my objective but GOD I don't want to have redo everything but now there's a 15/17 chance I'll have to remodel my ALL equips ;-; ) I haven't checked if autoskill%>el. MGC+% yet. Can't think of an experiment to clarify this. For my next experiment: I have no actual idea after this event. Will update the thread when I figure it out. But what I'm sure of is that this will be a huge [equip vs equip battle] battle.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 11, 2021 0:12:52 GMT
Update: I've figured exactly how I'll do the next experiments, hear me out:
In this build the things that create the main damage is Autoskill+%, aspd, light magic+%, MATK+%, atk+% (it doesn't impact much but it counts towards the total DMG) and magic pierce (been thinking to include this if possible since I have max dex and the perfect gear to match it). So why not get gears that are intensive with all of them individually then see which gives me the highest DPS?
This will be expensive and I will have to do this no slotted since crossing the different stats would corrupt the experiment. So no ideaus or flash of day or anything that enhances autoskill but all will have aspd and light magic autoskill as it's a primary requirement regardless of which is proven to be best suitable.
I'll have to find equips that major in these then make sets out of each major. I'll also have to Royal rumble equips of the same major. I'll be using equips in their base form as not all can upgrade and it'd be unfair to the ones that can't. Tho under certain circumstances I may have to upgrade an equip.
For now I have to find out which from which is needed.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 18, 2021 4:42:22 GMT
April 4, 2021
So I figured out what I'd need for the autoskill+% set and MATK+% set. Tho before I start listing the equips I'm gonna explain what were the rules on choosing the items for this set as well as reasoning.
Guidelines:
-Item individual abilities must not intersect in what's being tested. Eg: a MATK+% set must have 0 equips with even a single autoskill+%
Reason being is that I'm testing the individual potential of each boost not the equips themselves.
-items of all sets must be equal tiering. Eg: a Sauro II xtal and tsubame xtal. One or the other will not be used
Reason being is that the effects will taint the testing due the astronomical difference in tiers. I mean, one is light magic+7% and the other is MATK+20%. Do I have to say much more?
Equips for Autoskill:
-Ceduro (Gewalt) -irai (Gewalt) -Daiginjo (Gewalt) -aconitom ns
For a total of about +32% in Autoskill along with 6 purple lines. Should be decent.
Equips for MATK:
Mirror sword (MA series) (Ideaus) Struggler (Gewalt) Angel ring (Ideaus) Hero's sword sheath (Gewalt)
Making and exception with the angel ring because MATK+30%>>>>light mgc+3%. Also I'm thinking of switching the Gewalt in the hero's sword sheath to a Mezzaluna or ideaus for more MATK. This set will give me a rather large mp pool from the mirror sword alone, about over 10k which will do wonders for berserk.
Conclusion:
I already have most of the MATK set I just need to take the mirror sword from my enchanter alt.
For the autoskill set I have only a single one which is the daiginjo 1s.
I can farm the aconitom, no biggy but the ira is gonna be the most problem. Thinking of maybe upgrading the IRA at least once more?
Good news is that I found the perfect armor to work with and it gives a decent MATK and Autoskill boos but that's for the main line of experiments.
On a completely unrelated note I need to lvl my enchanter alt. I neglect him, he probably cries when I'm not there and I feel bad.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 25, 2021 4:03:22 GMT
April 24 2021
Aight I did the experiments on both sets and got some pretty interesting results as well as 2 completely useless Barbad al crysta and some eagle claws.
Just to clarify this from now; the over all DPS from both sets still doesn't beat the original test equipment unsurprisingly but I'm considering changing some stuff to it.
Experiment 4A:
Aight for the MATK+% set we have:
Mirror sword IMA (Gewalt) Struggler (ideaus) Angel ring (ideaus) Hero's sword sheath (Gewalt)
Results:
DMG per autoskill 13.2k-14.7k, 22K with spellburst and get this: average DPS is 15k-16k
Conclusion: dang, MATK by itself is PIE.
Experiment 4B:
Equips for this was:
Ceduro (Gewalt) Ira (Gewalt) Snowflower ribbon (Gewalt) Acontnom
Results:
DMG per autoskill 8k-9k, 10k with spellburst, average DPS 10k.
Conclusion:
Autoskill by itself is also PIE
Here's one of the interesting things: Sometimes I'd see 4 autoskills proc at once but I only have 3 autoskill xtals equipped. Not to mention it wasn't an uncommon thing. By this my autoskill was already just over +30% with the equips. By probability if a single autoskill from a single xtal proc twice it probably has close to 50% autoskill at minimal in total which means the 6 purple lines really do give +15%-20% autoskill after all.
Did a 3rd experiment
Experiment 4C:
I use the original set but replace the struggler (Gewalt) with an Ira (Gewalt)
Results:
DMG per autoskill 11k-12k, 17k with spellburst, average DPS 20k.
Conclusion:
Holy shat the Ira has 0 MATK boost what is going on?! Did the autoskill +5% really do enough to almost catch up with the struggler? This concludes that I should change struggler to Emido after all since not only does it have the same amount of autoskill as Ira it also gives a MATK and spellburst boost.
Wait up it has magic res -25%? Yeah, maybe not. Would ruin the point of this build. Would do crazier DMG if I had it, will need to test to see how good it is.
Also the autoskill proc 4 times occasionally which never happened before. Which is probably what gave it high DPS.
This also confirms that a combination of boosts is most optimal.
Side note:
Somewhere along the way I found that the Hero's sword sheath can give you slightly higher than 30% in raw MATK. Discovered when It switched out my specia stone (ideaus/ideaus) for the hero's sword sheath (Gewalt).
Will save Ira for the second build experiment of melee to dark+% autoskill build since its an xtrade and all
Next experiment: light magic+% equips as soon as I find some good ones. Seriously, only found tsubame and light enhancer III for crysta and I got everything except what I'll use for an unbaised light weapon as well as unbiased armor. Already have add and spec tho.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 25, 2021 4:04:36 GMT
Dead ass, why does light magic get no love in this game?
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Apr 27, 2021 3:40:57 GMT
Dead ass, why does light magic get no love in this game? um, for weapon just try caliburn, damage as good as angel ring and has good resistance, well try use cherose in armor and special so 2 light and 2 earth, maybe not pure light magic build, but better damage and cooler (like dj with sword)
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Post by blackghost on Apr 27, 2021 6:57:31 GMT
Dead ass, why does light magic get no love in this game? um, for weapon just try caliburn, damage as good as angel ring and has good resistance, well try use cherose in armor and special so 2 light and 2 earth, maybe not pure light magic build, but better damage and cooler (like dj with sword) Oh trust me I'm going for it. But it isn't as easy as I thought it would be. I don't currently have the cash to pay billions for it, in fact I'd have better luck just doing prod for it. But I'm working towards it one way or another.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Apr 27, 2021 8:07:15 GMT
ah i forgot, ideaus is good but need atleast 250 str and int to full effect (= 15% atk & matk)
so change it with other crysta like ◇mujie/pole/wizard(I/II) for angel ring ◇frederico/rita/wizard(I/II) for caliburn
dps will much better.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 27, 2021 9:35:20 GMT
ah i forgot, ideaus is good but need atleast 250 str and int to full effect (= 15% atk & matk) so change it with other crysta like ◇mujie/pole/wizard(I/II) for angel ring ◇frederico/rita/wizard(I/II) for caliburn dps will much better. Oh I already have over 270 INT. Wizard would be a god sent but god the boss is just way too hard to farm for a build like mine. Mujie isn't too bad but for now I'll use ideaus since I have like 8. The spellburst is definitely a major upside to it but that only works on add. And +2% more MATK is negligible. I guess its technically is better than Ideaus but at most I need like, 1 or 2 depending on how many adds I'll need it on, which so far is 1 and that no less has proven inferior to the original test equips that have also proven to be better off with either elemental mgc crystas (wizard is exactly what I mean) or autoskill rate enhancing crysta (which I'm still searching for).
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Post by blackghost on Apr 27, 2021 9:38:44 GMT
Holy Hell I fell asleep while typing this and posted an incomplete version April 10, 2021 This experiment was sponsored by Pixie who let me borrow his angel ring. Its quite likely I would not have come to today's weird conclusion otherwise. Today I tried out an Angel ring (ideaus) with the regular equips and see how it compares to white maid headdress and I cane to very concerning conclusions. Result: Today the DPS doesn't even matter cause it was equal in average DPS. Despite being uneven in other ways, I'll clarify. Conclusion: The boost the white mai headdress gives caps at +10% for melee to light, light magic and dark resistance no matter how much the sum of your INT and DEX and the which increases my light magic autoskills by 10% and if I happen to ever use a physical light autoskill it alsp increases damage by 10%. But the angel ring (ideaus) is not only giving me +30% MATK but also gives light MGC +3%. If you know how elemental MGC works you know that under certain conditions that light MGC +10% is no different from MATK +20% but even with that the angel wing should easily dwarf the white maid headdress in damage which it does by 2k-3.5k more DMG per autoskill, so how did the white maid headdress give just as much DPS? Unexpectedly the autoskill +6% somehow compensated for the +20% magic gap (I say that because these were not the right conditions to further increase the damage). I think, this only happened because its an autoskill build, if I were a bishop using just regular light skills then something like the autoskill boost the equip gave wouldn't even matter, btw this equip is a generic bishop equip, I checked. But could this be closer to an enchanter equip? Explains a lot actually. Devs slipped it right under our noses. We all thought complete light sets didn't exist, well here we are. The only thing I can think of better than this is a light bulb II or the maid headdress (upgraded 1). What surprised me even more is that for autoskill-aspd builds Autoskill+%>MATK+% (atk+% too) by FAR (in contrast autoskill+% in skill spam builds have no place). I would never imagine that autoskill+6% was just as potent as a whole ass MATK+20%. No wonder the most autoskill+% you can get on an equip is 14%. This changes every way I'm going about this from now on. I'm gonna have to even further revise my equips and xtals as well as apostilia. Like, seriously this changes everything and now I might have to do even MORE equip experiments (is this how scientists feel when they discover something field changing to their studies? I'm happy I'm getting closer to my objective but GOD I don't want to have redo everything but now there's a 15/17 chance I'll have to remodel my ALL equips ;-; ) I haven't checked if autoskill%>el. MGC+% yet. Can't think of an experiment to clarify this. For my next experiment: I have no actual idea after this event. Will update the thread when I figure it out. But what I'm sure of is that this will be a huge [equip vs equip battle] battle. Reference to this experiment.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Apr 27, 2021 14:21:44 GMT
Autoskill % Crysta for Magic
Weapon Frederico Armor Praldy Add Pole
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Post by blackghost on Apr 27, 2021 19:13:04 GMT
Autoskill % Crysta for Magic Weapon Frederico Armor Praldy Add Pole I thought about getting these but then I realized I have to use Gewalt xtals for the autoskill so I end up balancing crystas and equips that if the equipment has an autoskill then I use a stat boosting crysta, if the equip doesn't have an autoskill then I use a a autoskill crysta the purpose being to increase the proc rate. So praldy became out of the question when I chose struggler. I tried to farm a pole during the event but I have PIE luck so it became one of the things on my list that I need to buy but that usually involves me finding out the current price which is a hassle with the constant inflammation and all (2s went from 1B to 27B in a month man I'm dead ;-; ). And honestly i completely forgot about Fred. Thanks for putting it back on my radar fam. I wish I could use praldy but there are no armors that have the light magic auto by attack.
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Post by Owe on May 1, 2021 18:45:01 GMT
Hey blackghost, I was thinking about your build, and I wanted to run an idea by you (albeit it’s more of an end game set, wouldn’t really be plausible in the near future) Caliburn (Frederico) Silver Mail (Wizard) Angel Ring (Wizard) Unknown Sword Piece (?) Apostolia with auto/light magic and purple lines I thought since you’ll mostly be tanking, silver mail could be looked at as extra dps. Also it would achieve your goal of major magic resilience. Thoughts?
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Post by blackghost on May 1, 2021 23:54:57 GMT
Hey blackghost, I was thinking about your build, and I wanted to run an idea by you (albeit it’s more of an end game set, wouldn’t really be plausible in the near future) Caliburn (Frederico) Silver Mail (Wizard) Angel Ring (Wizard) Unknown Sword Piece (?) Apostolia with auto/light magic and purple lines I thought since you’ll mostly be tanking, silver mail could be looked at as extra dps. Also it would achieve your goal of major magic resilience. Thoughts? Yup this is high tier. Except the silver mail. Holy mail does everything it does minus the melee resistance reduction which makes it better. Factor in the additional light resistance and the hate rise and it really seems better as it has 0 defects. I've also put the angel ring against the white maid headdress, honestly the autoskill+% proved it superior for dps. I haven't tested it with wizard cause I just can't farm that guy. I recently obtained the unknown sword piece but I didn't get a chance to farm for a 1s or 2s because my game bugged and for some reason I couldn't do the boss battle. I'm gonna try it for the light magic+% experiment as soon as I get a sacred robe. Like, straight up yesterday I not only got a flash of day Al but also an Enina II Al. Now I have them as 6 purple lines and I'm planning to experiment and post later about it. And that Caliburn. Dang it has been an impossible grab so far. Still going for it tho. Also you forget that I have to use Gewalt xtals for the light autoskill otherwise I'll just have a bunch of useless light mgc. Or at least mostly useless as it do be making my holy thrust hella thick tho.
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