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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 21, 2021 8:37:12 GMT
This build is going to fail moserable gewalt has a soft cap of 10k dmg and its sucks. 100% not recommended I get 16K with spell boost but aight. 16k is not a damage
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 21, 2021 8:56:40 GMT
Uni lll (Auto skill xtal) Struggler (Auto skill xtal) Faw(Auto skill xtal) Festen/sbs(Drago/Autoskill) at that point, spamming Holy Thrust would do more damage realistically. Wouldn't recommend magic auto,especially on a Knight. They have no natural Matk boost or Autoskill% boost. Magic autoskills also have a soft cap on damage, Light element is already the weakest autoskill as well. Unless you're an Enchanter, I would avoid magic autos on pretty much every class. Yep holy thrust is better than 16k spell burst dmg Ive tested holy thurst its good but mp chugger Idk why i cant uplooad pic but heres the Sauce ibb.co/9cg1GCH
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Post by senoragi on Mar 21, 2021 17:50:09 GMT
For me the only autoskill that Warriors can use decently is Dajarte. It is both affected by Matk and Atk. My Summoner can do Up to 60k SB per auto on Yarde. *Aside that, I'm sure we all know already nobody can surpass enchanters in terms of DPS using magic autoskills. But experimenting is fun. An HW when it reaches lv260 can defeat any Enchanter lv260~300 in terms of Autoskill dmg :v But its rare to find an HW ... even more if autoskill. hw with 400%+ neutral magic Lmao
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Post by blackghost on Mar 21, 2021 19:59:51 GMT
I get 16K with spell boost but aight. 16k is not a damage keep your pants on I only just started. Did you only come here just to hate?
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Post by blackghost on Mar 23, 2021 11:17:29 GMT
March 03, 2021
They called me a madman... But I finally just had an enormous breakthrough at 5:25 in the morning.
So I finally finished my guild quest and used all my points on transparent al crystals to change the color of my Als.
Imagine, a 20% fail rate and a 80% success rate. You'd think if you tried 3 times you'd succeed at least once right? SIKE! I FAILED EVERYTIME. I lost two of my Al's but fortunately I had back ups.
I quickly inserted their red counterparts to form them into a 6 purple line up. One red left, one red right, everything else was blue.
I felt the power coursing through my phone as I changed equips.
I then went to test my new autoskill rate on 10M HP Luna at forte bailune.
Experiment 2:
My DPS went from 7.5k to 16k. Considering the only real change between the last experiment and this was Autoskill rate, also the fact my class has no MATK passive skill or buff, as well as the fact I had no MATK Als or Relics means the build despite already outclassing my enchanter alt has great room to grow further (My paladin has drastically lower MATK too at only 2.7k).
Btw, my enchanter alt is currently lvl232 with 13k DPS on 10M hp Luna. Uses decent equips too. Eraser (Dunkelis), bellow of order (Dunkelis II), Fallen angel wings, Hero's sword sheath (Mezzaluna)/booster, combined with 4.1K MATK (5.1k with spell burst buff). It isn't the highest of tiers but its at least average for its lvl. Meaning that this build is doing more DMG than an average lvl232 enchanter. Of course I know for a fact this build will likely never be as powerful as high lvled mid tier enchanter or an enchanter with even a slightly better set than mine so don't get me wrong, I only use this milestone in my work.
Conclusion:
1.I'm finally starting to close the gap between my lvl and my DMG. Me being lvl352 and with this build only doing 16K DPS is laughable, but considering its Magic DMG instead of the usual melee damage as well as the untapped potential of this build its saying there's a high chance I can make this viable but there's a low chance that it will ever be as good as just using traditional paladin builds. However, I did a check up on my DPS with my usual set made for MGC Paladins on 10M HP Luna. I only used Guardian with no HP restorers (To get the lowest DPS target for the auto build) and my DPS was 66K. Being the DMG wise weakest paladin build this was likely the lowest estimate a paladin of my lvl can do, which made it the DPS goal of this test build.
2. My DPS rose so drastically with just an Autoskill increase. Does this mean I should use Autoskill star abilities? I already decided to use my relic fragments to increase my light dmg and the purple lines on my AL already give me a decent Autoskill rate and replacing the tank centred Als would defeat the point of making a hybrid. I guess the only al I'll be changing is flame of calling to flash of day but that's it. Maybe during the next anniversary I'll have to farm some halios and vatendeth Als?
3. Also I'm pretty sure the Autoskill increase of 6 purple lines is about 10%-20% autoskill increase. its weird how such a small increase produced drastic results and I triggered my autoskills as much as my enchanter using draw if not slightly less.
4. Now that I'm able to not only max aspd and half interval cuts I won't need to increase ASPD so I can check that off as an objective. Next are light%, autoskill and maybe spell burst (HUGE maybe, may not do it at all).
5. To increase DPS I can always take advantage of the fact that I use drastically less MP than other paladin builds to spam holy thrust and maybe use Knight's honor with it. I'll do it in the future but for now I'll focus on autoskill based DPS then when I peak that I'll combine it with the mentioned skills to hopefully surpass 66K DPS seeing as that point the light% will be high enough to do thicc holy thrust DMG.
6. I realize that this build will be beneficial to me even if I drop the experiments cause I'll definitely walk out with more holy thrust DMG from this.
7. Melee to Dark% will definitely increase my DMG against a dark type mobs but only a dark type mob so I should avoid that aspect for now. Also, I realize that either melee to light melee% and light magic% will be useful either way since berserk increases atk as well as maxes out aspd.
8. Berserk lowered my DEF while leaving my MDEF untouched. That makes this build the opposite of a VIT/STR/DEX paladin. But that's not really good. Maybe I should find a different way to max aspd?
9. I realize now I can't have both mid to low tier DPS and high tier tanking. I might have to reduce everything to mid tier? I'll have to find a solution for that too.
The more solutions I find the more problems pop up. But that's more fun for me. But I'm gonna have to go hermit for a while to find the answers of the universe.
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 24, 2021 2:17:44 GMT
16k dps on luna 10m is 6mins and 25 secs its very very bad
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Post by Owe on Mar 24, 2021 7:57:39 GMT
Congrats! Love seeing the progress!
How many autoskills did you use to get to 16k dps? If I’m understanding right, it’s just accord sword and wmh right?
Idk if you’ve considered, but dragon mail seems like an above average equip to me for a build like this. Auto +%, resist, atk&matk, and null dmg chance on a beefy hp pool all seem like what you’re going for. Also the crt rate and the absolute hit should help to stabilize dmg even further... what’s your thoughts??
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Post by blackghost on Mar 25, 2021 1:31:02 GMT
16k dps on luna 10m is 6mins and 25 secs its very very bad its progress. Care to gibe constructive criticism instead of pointless demeaning? I'd have been thrilled to hear your opinion if you weren't always stating the obvious. Like, dUH. 16K DPS isnt much dmg as already pointed out but its progress nonetheless. And such significant progress from taking a single step is worth celebrating. Especially since I've only just started.
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Post by blackghost on Mar 25, 2021 1:51:38 GMT
Congrats! Love seeing the progress! How many autoskills did you use to get to 16k dps? If I’m understanding right, it’s just accord sword and wmh right? Idk if you’ve considered, but dragon mail seems like an above average equip to me for a build like this. Auto +%, resist, atk&matk, and null dmg chance on a beefy hp pool all seem like what you’re going for. Also the crt rate and the absolute hit should help to stabilize dmg even further... what’s your thoughts?? I used three magic by atk autoskill xtals and one equip magic autoskill, totalling 4 light magic autos but it was the autoskill rate that spiked the DPS. I checked out the dragonmail, it only gets good at the third upgrade but it does look promising, tho it'll take a while for me to upgrade it to lvl3. I'll put it up there on the list of armors I need to get along with bellow armor 1s. Tho I was thinking of balancing out the tank functions later this equip was definitely worth checking out. Tho now I'm mentally pushed to check out ALL the armors that may fit the criteria of being tanky, autoskill benefiting while still giving MATK or/and light mgc%. This suggestion has definitely cut down my search, I am very thankful to you. NB: to anyone else reading this, the best thing about experimental equips is that if they dont meet expectations even after you fully upgrade them you can still sell them at a decent price. It'll be especially worth it if you farmed every ingredient you used to upgrade the equip by hand.
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Post by blackghost on Mar 25, 2021 2:12:45 GMT
Also, as to not nullify the DMG nullification I'll likely have to not put a Autoskill xtal on the Dragonmail. Before the balance between xtals and equips for the experiment was that if the equip already has an autoskill then put a MATK boosting cryta and if there is no autoskill on the equip put a autoskill crysta on it.
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Post by Brynne on Mar 25, 2021 10:09:15 GMT
I'm not a paladin myself but I'd like to share my ideas here.
Fairy Tale World Spoon II ◇Carinae Ira (last up) ◇Carinae Sector Plastor (last up) ◇Carinae Soul sucker fang ◇Jahoel ☆Autoskill 1-5
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 25, 2021 14:17:03 GMT
I'm not a paladin myself but I'd like to share my ideas here. Fairy Tale World Spoon II ◇Carinae Ira (last up) ◇Carinae Sector Plastor (last up) ◇Carinae Soul sucker fang ◇Jahoel ☆Autoskill 1-5 Carinae Dmg is Physical prolly his normal atk is 5k then carinae auto is like 2k dmg
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Post by Brynne on Mar 25, 2021 15:08:07 GMT
Sorry, I'm a bit rush. about my set I would say melee build is more better because you can use SSF and Carinae have higher Dmg than Wyn. such as your main critical dmg is 35k, Carnae will deal 24k. (source : )
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Post by blackghost on Mar 26, 2021 10:15:47 GMT
I'm not a paladin myself but I'd like to share my ideas here. Fairy Tale World Spoon II ◇Carinae Ira (last up) ◇Carinae Sector Plastor (last up) ◇Carinae Soul sucker fang ◇Jahoel ☆Autoskill 1-5 World spoon would be excellent formelee but anything that reduces Resistance of any kind is a big no no, especially if it has -20% HP and -25% elemental resistance. Thats more than what fortis can handle and is no different from having -30%-50% melee and magic resistance, it being an elemental minus and all. Sector plaster does give a nice autoskill boost and evasion boost but frankly its too inferior to the snowflower ribbon I have which not only has drastically higher evasion boost it also has a higher autoskill rate boost of 10% and an autoskill that further increases evasion. Soul sucker fang does seem like it'd be good for a matk boost but its also too inferior to the benefits of both booster and hero's sword sheath. As for the Carinae xtal, it'd be a good idea if I was making a melee to dark% set but even tho I have more atk than matk I think I'll still do more dmg with gewalt. Today I searched up all armors with that have any relation to light and most equips with light elements do 20% melee to dark so if I was to use carinae on equips like that it'd have an excellent result except.... I'm a magic paladin, my build is VIT/DEX/INT, I don't have that much atk stats. A melee to dark set would be perfect for VIT/STR/DEX or VIT/STR/INT. As for MATK I have two stats that amplify that so I want to work with that for now as its the only paladin build fit enough to do mgc dmg. As for this line up the equipment is too all arounder based. Equip sets are supposed to amplify the same trait(s) in order to give the best result unless each of the equip is too extremely OP individually its better not to mix them. But thanks,for the input. Need as much info as possible for this and this suggestion has it's helpfulness.
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Post by blackghost on Mar 26, 2021 10:20:51 GMT
I'm not a paladin myself but I'd like to share my ideas here. Fairy Tale World Spoon II ◇Carinae Ira (last up) ◇Carinae Sector Plastor (last up) ◇Carinae Soul sucker fang ◇Jahoel ☆Autoskill 1-5 Carinae Dmg is Physical prolly his normal atk is 5k then carinae auto is like 2k dmg Well yeah if its on a random equip it'll do exactly as you say. An equip with decent melee to dark% would work better with it. But that'd ruin the point of making a build that does MGC dmg for paladins. Plus there arent many good equips with the qualifications necessary for that in the first place.
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