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Post by AnTz on Mar 19, 2014 10:50:46 GMT
Hi guys. As u can seen on wiki jp, its stated that 1 of recommended weapon for paladin is lebenglanz. Its stat is: atk-90%, autoskill -10%, if lv> 139 chance of additional dmg based off 10-30% hp Now the problem is whats suitable build for paladin use this sword? I think of build like this: VIT (max) - DEX (max) - AGI (90, with beelzedam) - INT (rest) VIT for hp, def n base for lebenglanz dmg, DEX for high hit rate, AGI for max aspd, n INT is for mp pool & mdef. So, what u guys think about this build? Or any other build reccomendation?  |
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Post by godofafro on Mar 21, 2014 13:42:54 GMT
Good built but personally, guardian is better...this built loses out as guardian is multi hit,ignores defense,and ...good for anti ks
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Post by AnTz on Mar 24, 2014 5:05:40 GMT
Good built but personally, guardian is better...this built loses out as guardian is multi hit,ignores defense,and ...good for anti ks Each of them (guardian & auto atk use lebenz) have its own advantage Use guardian, u can hit 3 mobs at once.. really save time when u lvling by grind mobs like naga/ tigris. And yea.. some part of guardian dmg is ignoring defense/ barrier, I have look over that n I conclude the part is part which based from ur substracted hp. Another advantage is u can keep hate on u comfortably. On other way, Use auto atk with lebenz make u can grind mobs without too much sit. If u have pally, maybe u already know that pally is really bad at grinding mobs except dark element mobs. Low dmg combine with bad side of using guardian (u know this rite,try spam guardian on t-rex mobs who drop hp+17% n u'll die in few minutes if not hav bishop with u lol). If use auto atk with lebenz, no such things like that. The most interesting is, additional dmg from lebenz is pure dmg. Mean that it ignore defense too XD. I've test it to conclude this |
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Post by ZEF on Mar 25, 2014 11:04:20 GMT
Bro, try ur lebenz with berserk. I hope the additional dmg will work with berserk  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 11:27:31 GMT
good idea. berserk and you can simply ignore agi. dump the points somewhere else like int for example for more mp.
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Post by AnTz on Mar 25, 2014 11:27:46 GMT
Bro, try ur lebenz with berserk. I hope the additional dmg will work with berserk I plan to test it. after this morning chat I remember I have berserk. lol |
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Post by ZEF on Mar 25, 2014 11:36:38 GMT
Bro, try ur lebenz with berserk. I hope the additional dmg will work with berserk I plan to test it. after this morning chat I remember I have berserk. lol Berserk on sianas later Belle will heal u xD I will sit there n c ur perform it (i not healer when in sianas) |
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Post by Almas on May 26, 2014 7:05:18 GMT
How did the test go? o.o
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 26, 2014 7:21:19 GMT
I had tried Leben with my berserk Gladiator. I didn't like it really. It procs 1 out of 4 or 5 attacks which is really bad DPS considering that your normal dmg will be insignificant due to the -90% penalty. The damage is also based on your current HP so you will need to keep it up with pots to maintain dmg. I'm not sure but I think you need to up your Autoskill rate to make this work. The problem is, you also need to up your HP at the same time. I think this might work better with Enchanters than it would a Pally. Or maybe at future level caps where your HP will be so huge that the damage is enough to cover with the lost DPS of your ATK.
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Post by ManaKhe on May 26, 2014 7:40:58 GMT
I had tried Leben with my berserk Gladiator. I didn't like it really. It procs 1 out of 4 or 5 attacks which is really bad DPS considering that your normal dmg will be insignificant due to the -90% penalty. The damage is also based on your current HP so you will need to keep it up with pots to maintain dmg. I'm not sure but I think you need to up your Autoskill rate to make this work. The problem is, you also need to up your HP at the same time. I think this might work better with Enchanters than it would a Pally. Or maybe at future level caps where your HP will be so huge that the damage is enough to cover with the lost DPS of your ATK. I tried it on Enchanter, we can't get enough HP for it be worth it to use Lebenglanz. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 26, 2014 8:48:45 GMT
I had tried Leben with my berserk Gladiator. I didn't like it really. It procs 1 out of 4 or 5 attacks which is really bad DPS considering that your normal dmg will be insignificant due to the -90% penalty. The damage is also based on your current HP so you will need to keep it up with pots to maintain dmg. I'm not sure but I think you need to up your Autoskill rate to make this work. The problem is, you also need to up your HP at the same time. I think this might work better with Enchanters than it would a Pally. Or maybe at future level caps where your HP will be so huge that the damage is enough to cover with the lost DPS of your ATK. I tried it on Enchanter, we can't get enough HP for it be worth it to use Lebenglanz. Out of curiosity, how much HP did you land on with max VIT enchanter, with and without HP gear? |
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Post by Gøspel on May 26, 2014 9:50:09 GMT
^ Curious, as well.
I wondered if a Lebenglanz would have been a viable option for Enchanters, seeing as some were telling me their auto skills in tanking mode was only hitting about 3-6k. On my Paladin(225 w/58k+ HP), I was popping for 7-9k.
I only use my Lebenglanz on Zant. Haven't really found much use for it yet.
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Post by AnTz on May 26, 2014 16:02:15 GMT
Yeah, thats why I started this thread. I cant find any way that can make this sword useful lol.
Although wiki stated this sword as 1 of recommended weapon for pally, its proc rate make this sword looks so bad, thou the add damage is nice when used by pally.
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Post by ManaKhe on May 26, 2014 18:22:24 GMT
I haven't had max VIT yet but I believe I would have around 18-20k HP at my level(202) with max VIT and Magic Barrier 3. I'm sitting at 10k HP with 100 VIT. If you were going to use Lebenglanz you would probably use all HP 20s so you would have a good bit more than that. You would probably wanna keep using DPR, but use Miwi Hat/Wind Up Key/Stier as your additional, and use reduce bangle. So they would probably end up with around 35k HP. So it would probably only hit about 4-6k.
Basically the damage would be pretty crappy but it would be a pure tank build. It would take a LOT of stat points though. Max VIT, 135 AGI, 70ish DEX, and 200+ INT probably. At the current level cap it could be pulled off. INT would basically be the last priority. The problem would be leveling since its a pure tank and Enchanters don't have a way to AOE tank.
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Post by tasm on May 28, 2014 0:17:58 GMT
full hp xtals. use gear with fixed autoskill trigger rates. add agi to max aspd. cap vit.
conversely use def and rate resist / hp % gear.
Hmm guess 2nd and third stat have to be DEX = STR or DEX then STR.
leben's low base atk is a huge negative on the dmg.
So, a very solid concept is a build focused on holding the hp as high as possible regardless of circmstance to max the trigger dmg... mireth battle, anythin w/ phys & magic resist on spec eq and additional eq slots.
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