mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 5, 2014 18:33:17 GMT
Here is your problem. You assume that the correct result is shorter CD and you strive to prove the point. If its hard to say 6 or 7 sec with observation only you should try to measure it in other way. I bet that someone did proper research and its possible to find it on jp blogs. That's why I use average because it has error. I have another theory that BS's delay might be 7 sec, but 10dex from assassin reduce its delay lower than 7 that why I can't catch time over than 7sec. Thus, my delay might be between 6.5 to 7. Whether 6.5sec or 7sec theory is right, 245dex and 20dex=-0.5sec cannot go together. I have new idea to test by using touch screen recorder while I am touch the screen then I can check how long between first and second times I use this skill. Error might happen again, but I can find the minimum close to real delay.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 6, 2014 0:01:12 GMT
I came back with the results. Let start with my test condition. In this test, I use Baselard /20%hp, Iron Armor upg /aid skill, Barbarotita /vida, and s.bangle. Also I don't use any buff skills and I am in 20+ lvl guild, +1 all stat. If my assumption is correct, the delay should be 6sec due to barbarotita.
For the method, I use the recording program to check how long I touch. I test by double touching on BS shortcut, as we know first touch is to aim the target and second is to use the skill. I will add up 2 period of time that means the time form second touch to next second touch.
In my result, I already get rid of the record that the skill don't come up (I touch the screen before the skill is ready). Here the results(1000000=1sec).
6373435
6135885
6031913
5843950
6105422
6381322
5838218
5951193
This is all I have now. As I can see, The best value, my finger and my eyes can respond, is 5.83sec. I assume it come from +10dex from assassin class and +1dex from my guild. This result show that BS' cd is not longer than 6.5sec. This result also give me new knowledge that +10dex from assassin class help me reduce BS' delay. However, it cannot prove with one is incorrect between 245dex or 20dex=-0.5.
I hope the other assassin will help me test. If you would like to help tell me your dex, buff, and equipment while you're testing. It will help me a lot.
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Post by Kazora on Dec 6, 2014 10:23:55 GMT
This is the same confusion I have possessed, but I can't test it because I don't have backstab yet.
If both mokie's test results and 20 DEX = -0.5 sec CD are correct, we only need ~200 DEX to get minimal CD for backstab!
mokie, are you further increasing your DEX? If you are, can you run another test when your DEX reach 195-205?
This is very helpful to all backstab assassins! Thanks!
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Flarius
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What do people do with all the extra time they save by writing "K" instead of "OK"?
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Post by Flarius on Dec 6, 2014 13:42:49 GMT
This is the same confusion I have possessed, but I can't test it because I don't have backstab yet. If both mokie's test results and 20 DEX = -0.5 sec CD are correct, we only need ~200 DEX to get minimal CD for backstab! mokie, are you further increasing your DEX? If you are, can you run another test when your DEX reach 195-205? This very helpful to all backstab assassins! Thanks! Eating popcorns* nomnomnomnom, seems like i need 10 stefly book again..nomnomnom.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 15:36:49 GMT
This is intetesting yet confusing I have 245 dex... was I wrong or not suspense killin me xD
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 6, 2014 15:52:56 GMT
This is the same confusion I have possessed, but I can't test it because I don't have backstab yet. If both mokie's test results and 20 DEX = -0.5 sec CD are correct, we only need ~200 DEX to get minimal CD for backstab! mokie, are you further increasing your DEX? If you are, can you run another test when your DEX reach 195-205? This is very helpful to all backstab assassins! Thanks! Now, I dont have any shelfy book(still hope to get one 2days left). I plan to add my dex next, but leveling at 195 it's not easy. T-T
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Post by godofafro on Dec 7, 2014 3:06:54 GMT
about this, i never considered before - job bonus dex as well as other hidden stats like guild link.
So i ran an experiment!
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With my entire -skill d equips and hawkeye on, i can achieve 1s spamming at maximum, i have tested with additional -skill d, this timing does not drop further.
A synopis of what my total delay would be like is an calculated total of 245 dex + hawkeye = 260 dex. (i follow the 40dex=1sec bs delay here)
Remove off hawkeye and ill be left with 245 dex total, giving me an inadequate bs 1s spam.
So in theory, i did this test to check if character job bonus 10dex and 1dex from guild link 1 affects me, or not.
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hawkeye2 provides 15 dex when buffed, hence...what i did is i leave my character unbuffed without hawkeye, then with my current status of 10dex job bonus + 1 dex guild link - i will lack 4 dex to achieve 1s bs spam.
what i needed next is an equipment that provides 4 dex, but getting one isnt easy, hence i use the next readily available one: spell book 3 (+5dex).
Test result shows that i can achieve 1s spam indeed with it.
This means: the wiki does not include hidden stats in its calculation, and it is to your descetion to do that calculation.
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Post by Candyce on Dec 7, 2014 8:22:50 GMT
How do you know that true? Did you test it? I have already tested that only dex1, +10dex from assassin class, and my lvl20+ guild will make my BS has 6.5sec delay. If I compare to the other assassins +1all stat might not make much different. So, you are wrong that I need necessary skill delay -6 to -6.5 seconds.
I just don't want to waste my stats. The fact is my skill delay is about 6.5sec without Hawkeye and equipment, so I just want to know how many dex and equipment. This is making me confused, gears you can use are Fuma -0.5 Sushiwa -0.7 w/throw Exelis -1 Barbarotita -0.5 Green cat ears - 1 sec This is the set that I saw godofafro (aka Flarewk) use Sushiwa+Barbarotita and 185 dex, now if the -6.5 is true then it will be Suhsiwa (or Exe)+Barbarotita *QC and 185 dex wisdom ring -0.5 w.ears -0.5/0.6 tons of xtals too like colon tree and metalbrow too
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 7, 2014 15:41:37 GMT
about this, i never considered before - job bonus dex as well as other hidden stats like guild link. So i ran an experiment! ========================= With my entire -skill d equips and hawkeye on, i can achieve 1s spamming at maximum, i have tested with additional -skill d, this timing does not drop further. A synopis of what my total delay would be like is an calculated total of 245 dex + hawkeye = 260 dex. (i follow the 40dex=1sec bs delay here)Remove off hawkeye and ill be left with 245 dex total, giving me an inadequate bs 1s spam. So in theory, i did this test to check if character job bonus 10dex and 1dex from guild link 1 affects me, or not.======================== hawkeye2 provides 15 dex when buffed, hence...what i did is i leave my character unbuffed without hawkeye, then with my current status of 10dex job bonus + 1 dex guild link - i will lack 4 dex to achieve 1s bs spam. what i needed next is an equipment that provides 4 dex, but getting one isnt easy, hence i use the next readily available one: spell book 3 (+5dex). Test result shows that i can achieve 1s spam indeed with it. This means: the wiki does not include hidden stats in its calculation, and it is to your descetion to do that calculation. Thank you for your test. That gives me some more knowledge.
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Post by Kazora on Dec 8, 2014 20:08:07 GMT
So I searched Japanese websites to look for the solution, and found this page: foowa.info/zyouhou.blog/?p=1129The author tested several combinations of -CD gear (from -1.5 to -3.5) and reported the amount of DEX he felt necessary to get shortest delay. His results: Equip -CD DEX ----------------- ----------- -3.5 60 -3.0 90 -2.5 120 -2.0 145 -1.5 170 It appears the amount of DEX needed to reduce cool down could vary depending on your current DEX. The previously thought 20dex = -0.5s CD is only an approximation. Therefore, 1. If you are using -CD gear, add your DEX slowly and test to find the optimal amount of DEX. 2. Reducing skill cool down by equipment is likely more efficient than adding DEX. 3. DEX=245 requirement probably still holds true if you don't use any -CD gear.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 9, 2014 5:24:17 GMT
So I searched Japanese websites to look for the solution, and found this page: foowa.info/zyouhou.blog/?p=1129The author tested several combinations of -CD gear (from -1.5 to -3.5) and reported the amount of DEX he felt necessary to get shortest delay. His results: Equip -CD DEX ----------------- ----------- -3.5 60 -3.0 90 -2.5 120 -2.0 145 -1.5 170 It appears the amount of DEX needed to reduce cool down could vary depending on your current DEX. The previously thought 20dex = -0.5s CD is only an approximation. Therefore, 1. If you are using -CD gear, add your DEX slowly and test to find the optimal amount of DEX. 2. Reducing skill cool down by equipment is likely more efficient than adding DEX. 3. DEX=245 requirement probably still holds true if you don't use any -CD gear. Wow, that is awesome. The answer Im waiting for is here. Super-duper thank you so muchhhhhhhh.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 9, 2014 6:34:32 GMT
After I read the link that Kazora gave me, the person who wrote that blog said about Hawkeye skill. So, I test it just now. I found that she is right.
Hawkeye do not reduce BS delay!!!
I test it with the same gears. I test it and find the result almost the same.
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Roxzen
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Goodbye :) Thanks for the memories Iruna, the Forums was an awesome place!
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Post by Roxzen on Dec 9, 2014 6:48:53 GMT
Meep looks like I need to spend some spina on ☆QC
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Flarius
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What do people do with all the extra time they save by writing "K" instead of "OK"?
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Post by Flarius on Dec 21, 2014 15:34:15 GMT
So I searched Japanese websites to look for the solution, and found this page: foowa.info/zyouhou.blog/?p=1129The author tested several combinations of -CD gear (from -1.5 to -3.5) and reported the amount of DEX he felt necessary to get shortest delay. His results: Equip -CD DEX ----------------- ----------- -3.5 60 -3.0 90 -2.5 120 -2.0 145 -1.5 170 It appears the amount of DEX needed to reduce cool down could vary depending on your current DEX. The previously thought 20dex = -0.5s CD is only an approximation. Therefore, 1. If you are using -CD gear, add your DEX slowly and test to find the optimal amount of DEX. 2. Reducing skill cool down by equipment is likely more efficient than adding DEX. 3. DEX=245 requirement probably still holds true if you don't use any -CD gear. Yep,tested it out yesterday, hawkeye skill doesnt effect the delay of bs, but, the thing is, this suggestion above is somehow invalid, tested it out myself, and the main point that i can confirmed is: Every 20 dex=0.5 sec sharp 245 dex= exact fastest 1 sec bs( tested it with 220,225,230,235,240,245,250,255 dex) the speed stuck at exact 245 dex Tested that 1.5 sec delay using exilis up+ qc ability,using 170 dex= failed to achieve 1 sec bs,(it may look like 1 sec,but its not and i compare it with max dex stats cast time) So in general,this calculation is invalid, pure 1 sec bs,1 sec and u can begin stabbing at the exact point of cast delay ended,while this stats above,makes my bs stuck abit afterthe same exact point,and tbh, it doesnt achieve 1 sec sharp. So stick with the fact 1 sec bs=245 dex, every 20 dex-0.5 sec,well like flarewk said,if wanna include like guild skill dat adds 2 dex,do deduct it from 245 dex total such as 245 dex max and if ur usin exilis up -1s delay+ guild lvl 40= 2 dex extra,(245-40-2= 203 dex to achieve maximum bs) Lastly,u can try testing it again,who knows,i might be wrong, and before testing it,be very sure no outside distubance such as laggy, or dex fortune, it might messed up ur whole calculation,with just the tiny disturbance e.e Psssst,i used up all my stelfy book,im stayin as bs spammer for a month (-_-!)
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Dec 22, 2014 1:55:12 GMT
So I searched Japanese websites to look for the solution, and found this page: foowa.info/zyouhou.blog/?p=1129The author tested several combinations of -CD gear (from -1.5 to -3.5) and reported the amount of DEX he felt necessary to get shortest delay. His results: Equip -CD DEX ----------------- ----------- -3.5 60 -3.0 90 -2.5 120 -2.0 145 -1.5 170 It appears the amount of DEX needed to reduce cool down could vary depending on your current DEX. The previously thought 20dex = -0.5s CD is only an approximation. Therefore, 1. If you are using -CD gear, add your DEX slowly and test to find the optimal amount of DEX. 2. Reducing skill cool down by equipment is likely more efficient than adding DEX. 3. DEX=245 requirement probably still holds true if you don't use any -CD gear. Yep,tested it out yesterday, hawkeye skill doesnt effect the delay of bs, but, the thing is, this suggestion above is somehow invalid, tested it out myself, and the main point that i can confirmed is: Every 20 dex=0.5 sec sharp 245 dex= exact fastest 1 sec bs( tested it with 220,225,230,235,240,245,250,255 dex) the speed stuck at exact 245 dex Tested that 1.5 sec delay using exilis up+ qc ability,using 170 dex= failed to achieve 1 sec bs,(it may look like 1 sec,but its not and i compare it with max dex stats cast time) So in general,this calculation is invalid, pure 1 sec bs,1 sec and u can begin stabbing at the exact point of cast delay ended,while this stats above,makes my bs stuck abit afterthe same exact point,and tbh, it doesnt achieve 1 sec sharp. So stick with the fact 1 sec bs=245 dex, every 20 dex-0.5 sec,well like flarewk said,if wanna include like guild skill dat adds 2 dex,do deduct it from 245 dex total such as 245 dex max and if ur usin exilis up -1s delay+ guild lvl 40= 2 dex extra,(245-40-2= 203 dex to achieve maximum bs) Lastly,u can try testing it again,who knows,i might be wrong, and before testing it,be very sure no outside distubance such as laggy, or dex fortune, it might messed up ur whole calculation,with just the tiny disturbance e.e Psssst,i used up all my stelfy book,im stayin as bs spammer for a month (-_-!) Thanks for the test. I have got some theory since I saw that post but I cannot try it by myself If you can test this please tell me. 176dex with -1.5sec equipment >>this value I calculate it by myself because I still think that test is wrong in super deep detail. It will help me to figure out about BS delay.
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