Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Oct 31, 2016 19:42:21 GMT
Its written 'damage calculation and effects' but it seems like this thread only tend to 'show off damage' haha.😂 Anyway dmg calculation for doc lv1 is Critical damage*1.1*(clone) Doc lv2 is Critical damage*1.2*(clone) *delay needed to spam with 9 clone is -8sec skill delay Phantom flame additional dmg calculation for doc is 0.3*(clone+1)*doc dmg If we have 9clone we can say its multiplied doc dmg in total by 4times. (3times add dmg is from phantom flame, and 1time is from original doc dmg) E.g ur doc dmg is 400k Additional dmg from phantom is 1.2m And ur total dmg is 1.6m But, keep in mind if we use doc with phantom flame its make ur clone reduced by 2/3 of ur current clone. If u have 9clone, then after use doc with phantom flame u will have only 3clone left. Im still on testing to get sk calculation dmg Idk calculation for magic skill because i never go for a magic ninja type. Idk if there's something wrong with Asobimo's calculator or the three songs really don't do anything. I buffed sk ninja with wisdom, nostalgia and passionate (the basic for sk is ATK, MATK and CRT DMG using throw or so they said) but it didn't seems so to boost DMG significantly, because the result wouldn't be that big of difference with wisdom only and without wisdom at all or was it the ninja's fault? Idk not sure 😂 Welp if ibremember correctly, noztalgia isn't that mugh highering crt dmg is it? I remember doing more dmg with passio than nost, with norm atk
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Oct 31, 2016 21:57:05 GMT
Welp if ibremember correctly, noztalgia isn't that mugh highering crt dmg is it? I remember doing more dmg with passio than nost, with norm atk Well it does significant boost, say my friend ninja does 15k dps with nostalgia it's up to 17k but well with passion it's about to 18k so with both it can boost to like 20k. Yeah I felt passion doing more dmg than nostalgia too but I think that's depending on your stat not sure, I mean, the balance-ness between ATK and CRT DMG that might affecting the result.
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Post by Faylyne on Nov 2, 2016 12:07:24 GMT
Faylyne from ma guild? QAQ I made it to let ppl know how to up any particular skill's dmg ._.)/ ATM my dmg sadly aren't anything to be showed off compared to ceru or Thor or Terror, or whoever lmaoo XD ikr for phantom flame, explained it somewhere else, ty for the rest owo Gonna add dat right away! pwp yeah o.o/ Anyway, additional effect for makibishi is its slower enemy movement&attack speed (not worked on boss). Its effect looks like combined freeze from blizzard + paralyze from thunderbolt. I ever used katon once when i have phantom buff and its say explosion, its add more dmg on katon also w/o consuming clone like doc, its consume 2/3 of current clone (its pain haha)
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Post by Faylyne on Nov 2, 2016 12:31:11 GMT
Idk if there's something wrong with Asobimo's calculator or the three songs really don't do anything. I buffed sk ninja with wisdom, nostalgia and passionate (the basic for sk is ATK, MATK and CRT DMG using throw or so they said) but it didn't seems so to boost DMG significantly, because the result wouldn't be that big of difference with wisdom only and without wisdom at all or was it the ninja's fault? Idk not sure 😂 hmm one thing is absolute is needed to balance. Its not good to having crt much/matk much. Afaik wisdom increase matk+20% and for me atm its add my dmg highest than other song. I cant remember how much its increase my dmg Even tho passionate increase atk+20% but remember than sk nin type is lack of atk base so itll add just a little and its bad because passionate also increase aspd+100% that will disturb spamming sk. And idk exactly how much crt dmg+% increased on nostalgia song but im sure its around 15-20%. Its raised around 100k to my sk dmg. In my nin, wisdom+nostalgia is boost my dmg significantly. I prefer wisdom+nostalgia+warrior+sandstorm/cleave/liberation anyway The conclusion is we need more base matk than crt dmg to boost our dmg atm w/full equipped ofc (Matk+20% vs crt dmg+15-20%, win matk+20%). Maybe u cant see the diff because the nin's fault
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Nov 2, 2016 19:03:59 GMT
Idk if there's something wrong with Asobimo's calculator or the three songs really don't do anything. I buffed sk ninja with wisdom, nostalgia and passionate (the basic for sk is ATK, MATK and CRT DMG using throw or so they said) but it didn't seems so to boost DMG significantly, because the result wouldn't be that big of difference with wisdom only and without wisdom at all or was it the ninja's fault? Idk not sure 😂 hmm one thing is absolute is needed to balance. Its not good to having crt much/matk much. Afaik wisdom increase matk+20% and for me atm its add my dmg highest than other song. I cant remember how much its increase my dmg Even tho passionate increase atk+20% but remember than sk nin type is lack of atk base so itll add just a little and its bad because passionate also increase aspd+100% that will disturb spamming sk. And idk exactly how much crt dmg+% increased on nostalgia song but im sure its around 15-20%. Its raised around 100k to my sk dmg. In my nin, wisdom+nostalgia is boost my dmg significantly. I prefer wisdom+nostalgia+warrior+sandstorm/cleave/liberation anyway The conclusion is we need more base matk than crt dmg to boost our dmg atm w/full equipped ofc (Matk+20% vs crt dmg+15-20%, win matk+20%). Maybe u cant see the diff because the nin's fault Yeah most likely that, how much your dmg after wisdom?
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Post by Faylyne on Nov 3, 2016 11:10:08 GMT
Yeah most likely that, how much your dmg after wisdom? i never test if its only wisdom but ive test it with bish+sb+nostalgia. And its increase around 500k dmg in total. I saw 100k is from nostalgia, so the rest is 400k. Wisdom has matk+20% and so does priere, matk+20%. My assumption is wisdom and priere increase 200k each with full buff ofc.
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Nov 3, 2016 14:27:37 GMT
Yeah most likely that, how much your dmg after wisdom? i never test if its only wisdom but ive test it with bish+sb+nostalgia. And its increase around 500k dmg in total. I saw 100k is from nostalgia, so the rest is 400k. Wisdom has matk+20% and so does priere, matk+20%. My assumption is wisdom and priere increase 200k each with full buff ofc. So wisdom replacing nostalgia should be more than the 500k after nostalgia
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Post by Faylyne on Nov 3, 2016 21:29:55 GMT
i never test if its only wisdom but ive test it with bish+sb+nostalgia. And its increase around 500k dmg in total. I saw 100k is from nostalgia, so the rest is 400k. Wisdom has matk+20% and so does priere, matk+20%. My assumption is wisdom and priere increase 200k each with full buff ofc. So wisdom replacing nostalgia should be more than the 500k after nostalgia zz i forgot to mention buff bish+sb+nostalgia+wisdom. Sorry and lemme rewrite it. Add dmg in total is 500k Nostal gave 100k Wisdom and priere has same effect matk+20% So, wisdom gave 200k And priere gave 200k
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Dec 30, 2016 9:40:20 GMT
@ewpeople gonna need your brain soon for ES xD
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Dec 30, 2016 19:44:59 GMT
Eeerrr...ok so... @ewpeople Umaru-chan nic123  Ryukengan , if you are interested about giving an opinion onto this >.> EDIT:This is about Earthshaker! Light mobs | +10% Light magic | Added dmgs | Remarks: | |
| ↑17.7k | ↑18.6k | +900 | +5% dmg = 885 |
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| ↓16.7k | ↓17.1k | +400 | +2,5% dmg = 417,5 |
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| ~17.2k | ~17.85k | +650 | +3.75% dmg = 645 |
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| ↑17.7k | ↑19.2k | +1.5k | +8.5% dmg = 1.504,5 |
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| ↓16.7k | ↓17.7k | +1k | +6% dmg = 1k |
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| ~17.2k | ~18.45k | +1.25k | +7.25% dmg = 1.25k |
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| ↑19.1k | ↑20k | +900 | (+5% dmg = 955) |
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| ↓17.5k | ↓18.4k | +900 | (+5% dmg = 875 dmg) |
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| ~18.3k | ~19.2k | +900 | +5% dmg = 915 dmg |
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My deductions:
-Against normal mobs, the amount of Light or Dark magic +% supposed to be effective is approximately cut in half -The number of magic +% boost against Light or Dark mobs may vary as: →If using a magic element +% against the same element, it mayend up at 25% of what it was supposed to give for the least effective and 50% for the more effective, with a middle of 37.5% of the written number's effectiveness. →If using a magic element +% against the other element, it may end up at 60% of what it was supposed to give for the least effective and 85% for the more effective, with a middle of 72.5% of the written number's effectiveness. IMPORTANT NOTE: These tests and results are only from my personnal and temporary experience, may i had tested few times more, it's possible i'd had something totally different from this.
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Post by Ryukengan on Dec 30, 2016 20:19:26 GMT
Dragsbro You need to use the skill on the same MDEF and level amount mob 1000 times each and take the average value to get a statistical significant value. The Random Number of all skills may have influenced the results alot. From my personal tests (with Nemesis) if you get 10% light magic damage and have stripped down all the other gear and buffs you always deal 10% more damage on average, of course you need to factor in that against Light Element you do less damage but the skill itself dealt less damage beforehand so it's still 10% more damage and vice versa against Dark Element monsters.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Dec 30, 2016 20:29:30 GMT
Dragsbro You need to use the skill on the same MDEF and level amount mob 1000 times each and take the average value to get a statistical significant value. The Random Number of all skills may have influenced the results alot. From my personal tests (with Nemesis) if you get 10% light magic damage and have stripped down all the other gear and buffs you always deal 10% more damage on average, of course you need to factor in that against Light Element you do less damage but the skill itself dealt less damage beforehand so it's still 10% more damage and vice versa against Dark Element monsters. Ok but the point is, Earthshaker sure is unique from it's very core ._. Nemesis is ONLY light isn't it? ES is light and dark and we can see that both elements can spellburst separately with different results (around 15-20% if the element that spellbursted is the same as the one fighted, and 30-35% if the good one) So i think that the +% dmg is also calculated like this because it would be too easy uping ES dmg, just look at Tellas, 14% dmg and...28% dmg? I tested tellas and it gave me far less than +28% dmg than another weap with the same MATK...much like +14 or 16% . I'm only talking about ES here! ^^ I don't doubt your tests or others' at all
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Post by cutexdeadly on Dec 30, 2016 21:11:36 GMT
Is it possible to do 500k+ dmg with ES? Or maybe with Domination specially, of course with spell burst, anyone in jp? What is highest dmg that anyone has done with ES and Domination? And I would really like to know the Crt formula for Domination skill.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Dec 30, 2016 21:32:57 GMT
Is it possible to do 500k+ dmg with ES? Or maybe with Domination specially, of course with spell burst, anyone in jp? What is highest dmg that anyone has done with ES and Domination? And I would really like to know the Crt formula for Domination skill. I did 300k once upon a time, although i was way, way lower lv than now, without all the eqps out nowadays neither, so i don't know much stronger it can be nowadays. 500k domi seems really too high to me but who knows.. I do too and asked if anyone knew it in the dmg formula thread and got no answer ^^' And tbh the highest ES ive seen from jp was 200k
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Post by Ryukengan on Dec 31, 2016 2:38:56 GMT
Dragsbro You should add that it's Earthshaker damage I just got tagged randomly your post doesn't mention which skill you're talking about . cutexdeadly I saw a 600k+ one on JP which was a double spell burst Earthshaker.
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