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Post by talia on Jan 25, 2015 3:47:17 GMT
Been thinking about making a magic bow sniper, Int>dex>crt I would assume for max atk. Have a few questions. 1. What's the survivability like on this build, I'd imagine low hp def and eva? Only upside is mdef 2. What does the venom damage look like on this build? I could see just poisoning slow mobs and kiting until they die, with the occasional ar maybe. 3. What could be a good alternative to crt as a third stat? Eva could help with survival, but wouldn't benefit damage at all unless someone knows of any equipment that adds atk by agi? Or atk by vit maybe? I don't know. Just curious of the build since there's not many guides or even posts about magic bows
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Post by Kirin。 on Jan 25, 2015 4:49:19 GMT
Been thinking about making a magic bow sniper, Int>dex>crt I would assume for max atk. Have a few questions. 1. What's the survivability like on this build, I'd imagine low hp def and eva? Only upside is mdef 2. What does the venom damage look like on this build? I could see just poisoning slow mobs and kiting until they die, with the occasional ar maybe. 3. What could be a good alternative to crt as a third stat? Eva could help with survival, but wouldn't benefit damage at all unless someone knows of any equipment that adds atk by agi? Or atk by vit maybe? I don't know. Just curious of the build since there's not many guides or even posts about magic bows if you ever build a sniper with magic bow pls let us now if it is good or not hehe i honestly think that it will be better than agi/crt but still far away from dex str crt AR spammer but i might be wrong XD Magic bow with thimble = +4.5atk with int dex
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Post by talia on Jan 25, 2015 5:00:27 GMT
Been thinking about making a magic bow sniper, Int>dex>crt I would assume for max atk. Have a few questions. 1. What's the survivability like on this build, I'd imagine low hp def and eva? Only upside is mdef 2. What does the venom damage look like on this build? I could see just poisoning slow mobs and kiting until they die, with the occasional ar maybe. 3. What could be a good alternative to crt as a third stat? Eva could help with survival, but wouldn't benefit damage at all unless someone knows of any equipment that adds atk by agi? Or atk by vit maybe? I don't know. Just curious of the build since there's not many guides or even posts about magic bows if you ever build a sniper with magic bow pls let us now if it is good or not hehe i honestly think that it will be better than agi/crt but still far away from dex str crt AR spammer but i might be wrong XD Magic bow with thimble = +4.5atk with int dex While I know ar damage would be higher than the spec bow auto attackers because of higher base atk, survivability is the main issue I see with this build (As mentioned above). You'd have to rely on killing mobs as fast as possible meaning wanting highest ATk possible, which fundamentally this build is just out matched by dex>str>crt/int maybe future updates will bring new equipment (more m.bows, or like I stated in my OP an equip that adds ATk by agi or vit) that makes this a viable build, but as f now I just feel like the build is missing both damage and survivability, two things that make the other sniper builds so attractive.
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Post by Kirin。 on Jan 25, 2015 5:12:58 GMT
if you ever build a sniper with magic bow pls let us now if it is good or not hehe i honestly think that it will be better than agi/crt but still far away from dex str crt AR spammer but i might be wrong XD Magic bow with thimble = +4.5atk with int dex While I know ar damage would be higher than the spec bow auto attackers because of higher base atk, survivability is the main issue I see with this build (As mentioned above). You'd have to rely on killing mobs as fast as possible meaning wanting highest ATk possible, which fundamentally this build is just out matched by dex>str>crt/int maybe future updates will bring new equipment (more m.bows, or like I stated in my OP an equip that adds ATk by agi or vit) that makes this a viable build, but as f now I just feel like the build is missing both damage and survivability, two things that make the other sniper builds so attractive. hmm i get your point im just curious since a guildmate of mine is making the first sniper in our guild since most are ninja and he/she mentioned that he/she(sorry i dont know gender) is thinking of int dex crt build And if youre thinking of pushing this build or go magic bow autoattack you might want to look up dragon arrow which increases crt rate by int although i still think that dex str crt or agi crt would be better ^^
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Post by talia on Jan 25, 2015 5:27:30 GMT
Thanks for the input. The only reason I could think of using dragon arrow on this kind of build would be for compensating for the absence of hit before adding dex. After that a capped crt rate doesn't help much because of the absence of crt damage. Maybe if you wanted to skip out on both dex and crt for something more survival oriented(vit/agi)? But in doing so you will see a massive drop in damage because dex is responsible for half of your base attack and having no crt damage multiplier means all your orange hits will have around the same damage as your white ones. It just so hard to justify this build, which is probably why there is very few people who choose to explore it.
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 25, 2015 5:35:53 GMT
I'm currently trying to figure the stats for this build and gear match ups. Venom damage is (INT+DEX)x(skill lvl*2). Im thinking grace hood for addional equip. I feel even though allowing more room for stats by upping critical rate by INT. It would be better to go thimble. Ultimi, Exelis, or Saltus depending on skill you plan on using, but mainly Ultimi for additional 100 physical damage. Definite Magonza and Ganei xtals. As for bows Adistactos sounds most suitable. (Purely my opinion.)
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 25, 2015 5:59:16 GMT
Another thing this class will be more towards support class and less of solo. Meaning party is needed for almost everything that's tough. Or level up alongside a group of friends or guildie. Low survivability like all snipers. This ones survival will come from if you choose grace hood. Still will have low HP but INT will add MDEF, DEF, and ATK with this setup. The extra damage will come from thimble, crit and xtals. Critical damage add with this equation. Critical damage=Regular Damage*[1.5+(critical/200)]. So if you have 100 crit and 500 atk your critical damage at max will be 1000. Veltria can be useful later on with making your sniper into reviver for pt.
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Post by talia on Jan 25, 2015 7:05:03 GMT
Venom damage is (INT+DEX)x(skill lvl*2). I've seen this calculation on several other posts, so at normal capped int and dex (256) venom should do (256+256)x(4*2) at highest venom level ~ 4096 every 3 seconds? If my memory is correct? Im thinking grace hood for addional equip. The added def could definitely be a big part of this build, but I'm afraid the lack of hp won't let you see many hits before having to town. Definitely something to play around with once I get some gear/xtals together. Definite Magonza and Ganei xtals. I could see magonza for sure being a good choice but Ganei has hp-30%. I think you would want as much hp as you can get to compliment your def if you decide to go the grace hood route. As for bows Adistactos sounds most suitable. (Purely my opinion.) I'm sorry, I'm not up to date on the games current magic bows. I was only aware of seele bow and sorcerie ._. Can I get the stats? Another thing this class will be more towards support class and less of solo. I can agree on that. Along with the quick buffs that the sniper class always has from maxed dex, this build will have a nice mp pool to quickly buff para poison and blind resist along with eva and hawkeye. Where it lacks in overall dps, it does make some improvement in party play over the ar build, even if it just means you can spam buffs without spamming pots as well, or being constantly mped by the hwiz or ench. Maybe that would just have to be the point of this build is to just be an average dps with some potential for party support by buffs.
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 25, 2015 8:03:33 GMT
Adistactos
ATK:150-165 Magic bow-physical tolerance -20%, depending on the CRT ATK increase, when DEX's more than 200 items delay -1 seconds
available: production [woodworking] Lv122
sale price: ?? Remarks: ATK increase = CRT ÷ 6
If I was to choose this bow I would go with 1 INT and 2 CRT per level up method. And how awesome is that added attack boost? 1atk=6crt so 43atk≈256crt. And refining to +9 makes total bow atk=1.8333*original value.
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Post by talia on Jan 25, 2015 16:48:06 GMT
This sounds like it would be a good bow, but for after you've maxed int dex and have moved into crt. Reason being, trying to add crt in before maxing int will mean you will have lower mdef and mp to spam buffs and skills, plus the attack increase of 6crt= 1atk just doesn't compete with the magic bows int increase 1int=2atk. If you ask me, id max int, using dragon arrow to keep my hit rate up by int, then max my dex (bringing up my hit rate and base ATk further) so that you can switch from dragon arrow to thimble for even more ATk. Then start pumping crt for that bonus attack and crt multiplier. Just my honest opinion
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 25, 2015 19:19:37 GMT
Yea that idea sounds better. I would like to know your opinion on this. I have a thought about which armor set to which atk style.
Ultimi-Dps -Ultimi with Magonza for damage= (+300 atk) Exelis-AR spam -Exelis for skill delay Saltus-Area Rain/Crossfire -Saltus for item delay
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Post by talia on Jan 25, 2015 22:28:30 GMT
Sounds on point. Ultimi magonza/dorry if you can afford it for auto attack dps, Exelis III again with magonza or dorry or maybe a sd xtal or a mp cost xtal? Just a fun thought. And yes if your planning on aoe, saltus will for sure be your best armor to allow you to spam crossfire sooner. Maybe an extra item delay xtal, or like above mp cost would be good as skill spam builds tend to run out frequently, even with max int. (Lesson learned from my geo monk haha) Abilities can be useful here if you can get your hands on them. Int, dex, mp cost, quick cool/quick use all come to mind. I don't know what the sd or id is like for sniper skills but obviously you won't need some of these if your delay is at 1 second already.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 25, 2015 22:49:27 GMT
Adistactos ATK:150-165 Magic bow-physical tolerance -20%, depending on the CRT ATK increase, when DEX's more than 200 items delay -1 seconds available: production [woodworking] Lv122 sale price: ?? Remarks: ATK increase = CRT ÷ 6 If I was to choose this bow I would go with 1 INT and 2 CRT per level up method. And how awesome is that added attack boost? 1atk=6crt so 43atk≈256crt. And refining to +9 makes total bow atk=1.8333*original value. The ATK is low and the boost is actually really small compared to what some Regular Bows have(ATK+15%, Improved Crit, ATK+10%, etc). I'm fairly certain the ATK increase isn't affected by refinement(I think you were implying that) as no other weapon with that kind of stat has had it affected. All in all Magic Bow builds are there you so you have more MP/MP recovery and that is it. Even Chakra won't put damage over that of Regular Bows really due to their awesome stats. The MDEF won't really help with survivability either for the most part as Snipers have really low HP. There's a reason why you don't see Magic Bow Snipers running around. On a side note Magic Bow build would be DEX INT CRT. Yes DEX is first as you are gonna use Thimble with it so you will still get more ATK from DEX. If you are doing some kind of Auto Attack build the best way by far to go is Special Bow Sniper with an AGI CRT DEX build. I've also seen a DEX STR VIT Sniper and his damage wasn't really all that bad as CRT offers a smaller boost.
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Post by HawkEyè5 on Jan 26, 2015 1:05:05 GMT
ManaKhe not to be rude but since I keep getting the same reply I'll explain fully. I don't always play iruna to be the #1 badass of the game. I just wanna have fun a play around with the builds. If your a sniper and you don't know by now that the AR spammer is top sniper well then study up. I'm not trying to pass the AR spammer I'm just trying to make a magic bow build because there are magic bows in the game.
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Post by talia on Jan 26, 2015 1:13:54 GMT
As of now I'm afraid you might be right about how much better the normal bows in the current game are than the magic bows. I realized that when I first began working on this build in my mind. But this is for people obviously trying to do something different than the common ar and spec bow snipers. But onto the number crunching Dex str crt normal bow with thimble 1 dex = 3 ATk 1 str = 2 ATk Crt is for multiplier and later skills Int dex crt Magic bow user with thimble and chakra 2(+1 ATk by int) 1 int = 3 ATk 1 dex = 2.5 ATk 1 crt = 1/6th ATk With chakra this build should get more ATk per point than ar snipers. By .66 ATk at 3 capped stats. Yes snipers have better bows that offer ATk+% which brings their totals higher, but they don't have the large mp pool to spam skills heavily. As for dex int crt vs int crt dex, with a thimble dex int crt should provide slightly higher damage at first but with the loss of mp which is kind of the point of this build. That's why I suggested using the item that ilovegirlswithglasses suggested to pump int and still be able to hit consistently with a large mp pool. Yes the damage will be slightly lower but it can be easily made up by spamming ar with your loads of mp.
Any other thoughts on the build?
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