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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jul 17, 2014 2:48:33 GMT
I'm not sure if I was doing 1 second Guardians before I capped DEX, since I did DEX and had my Excelis at the same time. However, DEX does add damage to special swords, so I just went with it. There's supposed to be an armour coming out called a Lich Armour, which is supposed to be super awesome for Paladins. I'd like that once it comes out. Since levels are getting so high, I decided to omit INT first, however. With other skills, it's not a necessary stat. (Let me add an edit once I've taken my excelis up off. Sec.) When I add my excelis back on, my Guardian goes faster. In fact, when I add my Wolf Ears, my Guardian goes EVEN FASTER compared to just DEX alone. However, we still do have other annoying skills we need to do in the middle of boss fights. When a boss wipes, I have to smack Guard as quickly as possible and Warcry if there's no Gladiator. More down time with buffs = higher chance to lose threat. Your VIT》STR build is valid, as well, so I'm not dismissing it. My Paladin does about 1k less damage than you between the two specs(remember, I also do have a LITTLE INT), but I'm happy with the balance I've achieved with my spec in speed, mitigation/survivability, and threat generation. In fact, I'm starting to add STR now with my levels between 230-235. Well honestly, I dont think guardian is affected by DEX otherwise, you would have 1 sec guardian by now without exelis up. I feel like I have had the same speed of guardian when I was 1 DEX vs. 140+ DEX that I have now. I barely notice the difference of exelis up vs. exelis up + barbarotita (except my other skills went faster, but not guardian). Anyway, it doesn't matter because DEX is pretty much a necessity for special and magic swords (there isn't really an alternative stat unless you go CRT with berserker build). So whether it does or does not reduce skill time, it is still a good stat. I'm looking forward to the 220 skill to boost my HP (I have about 4 levels to go as of this writing). My calcs for guardian have me about 14k dmg at level cap without it, hopefully it will push me to 15k dmg if my estimates are correct. I really don't know how hate works but I'm following a hunch that the amount of damage has an effect on it (higher DPS = more hate), so If I can keep my DPS up, hopefully, I can maintain the hate despite heavy damage from the DPS of the party. It's just a hunch tho. BTW, Lich armor sounds good, but my worry is that it is only -0.5sec skill delay (there is an added chance of skill reduction, but I don't know the proc rate). UPDATE: I just checked that my barbarotita is enough to give me 1sec guardian. Which makes Lich armor an ample armor for Paladin. I need a LvL160 Pally with 1 DEX to confirm that -0.5sec is enough to give 1sec guardian.
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Post by AnTz on Jul 18, 2014 4:52:56 GMT
Guardian is ad fast with 1 DEX, not affected by DEX. But DEX really do decrease the delay with other buff. Before reset, my build is VIT (max) - INT (max) - DEX (rest), now after reset I hav no dex : VIT (max) - STR (max) - INT (200) - DEX (rest) Now with current build, my fortis & provoke delay bcome slower but i dont feel any difference in guardian speed.
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Post by tsukikyo on Aug 4, 2014 23:47:05 GMT
Hmmm. Ive always gon vit/int/dex. My pally, pulled back into service after a long forced break, is 171. She has 156 int, 256 vit, and 100 dex.
She also generally runs around in full hp gear. Saltus, k.gauntlet, ect ect. Sometimes i swap out her head gear for barbartito which is becoming more nad more her main. She also sticks with Katz since i havent had the fortune to go out and get tattered blade or tanzer (Bothe apparently good for those fights where a little extra def is needed) and havent bothered farming dpr.
Edel hood build was rejected as its a complete waste. Compared the stats to a player 30-40 lvls higher tham me in full m.def gear when i was around 140-145. WIth their gear - the hood i would have had 100ish mdef less than them.
Lebz build was scrapped for me since the skill doesnt work with guardian. Would have to be an auto attacker class from that for what ive understood.
Grace hood/adel mask options were also scrapped because.... lets face it. Dumb idea at best. (Where do people keep coming up with these build ideas? Seriously some of this gear optimizing is nuts)
Working on a full on m.def with tattered (Cant remember its upgrade name) And dpr at its core. Maybe cloak for an off set add.
Have used the Plate/ gauntlet +/ Absorbant Gel/ Attica build prior to magical swords being released. (Damn i feel old.) even had a similar m.def set up and used steir up here nad there when def or resist wasnt an absolute necessity.
Hexe and sinbad were my go-to weapons before specials came out, however now I only use Katz II (Hp slot) for the extra vit and help with guardian damage. (Used to use all schlingel when hard hit was the spam choice since its damage was based on atk)
Have never really tried the str build. My class started out vit/str, but magic mobs were pretty much making me their plaything and since i couldnt hit anything at that level, i had to respec.
Have also recently debated using full skill delay gear. Wisdom ring, exe, barbaritito, and just guardian spamming into oblivion, however im not sure i would actually need the ring since at around 100 dex there is a noticable diff in guardian speed for me.
Seeking any other build ideas that dont pertain to agility. Since stun parry requires you to get hit. ANd honestly, why bother with dodge when you have over 40k hp? most you ever get hit for is around 5-10k tops by mobs with power hits. THink kaisers (supposed) instakill only does 10k? and lagoona only does 23k damage. So far these are the strongest hits ive seen in the game. Seems rather pointless to me to dodge anything else when you cna just pop a pot and get back to around 1-2k damage taken per hit. If that.
Anyway, let me know.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 5, 2014 2:57:49 GMT
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Post by tsukikyo on Aug 5, 2014 21:50:20 GMT
Hmm I hadnt considered an item reduction set. The most ive given thought to on my heal/hp problem is sllotting my Leather coat up with a healing crysta. I havent really looked into which one yet, but this idea is rather sound. However if i recall the stats on item reduction sets arent as defensible as the average set. I might be mistaken so ill look into it to before commiting to that thought.
However like I said this seems to be a plausible idea. Problem is, for it to be extremely effective at conserving pots, it would require a full set change. It would be REALLY nice if they had one button set changes. Hot key an entire set to a button, then put that button on your shortcuts.
I'm a guardian spammer. Pure tank. So I will look into the formulas you listed and see what i can do to get the most out of it. However im mainly a special sword user. In fact..... im not sure i have anything but a hexe left for magic swords and it is on a mage atm. Ive been debating swapping from dex to str when i get my cap, however I like the skill delay i have and the fact that i use special swords would make this a problem since they are dex reliant for damage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 8:40:24 GMT
my guardian is so close to one sec with max vit max int ad 2 dex to one str and once again it and idk if others have went back to lava mail upped its better stats than plate mail upped chance of cut compared to chance of magic damage and lava mail upped is +3vits +3 str and IFK high def of lava mail but mine is 18def and I don't have high def of 19 of plate its 18 so choice is simple if mob is weak to magic lava mail weak to phisical than plate and to think I tried to sell lava upped and ppl laughed um glad I didn't once again becoming very valuable to me old school Lol just like my p garb I will never sell it FYI p garb pirate garb they changed the name to thieves garb aka t garb
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 8:41:07 GMT
my guardian is so close to one sec with max vit max int ad 2 dex to one str and once again it and idk if others have went back to lava mail upped its better stats than plate mail upped chance of cut compared to chance of magic damage and lava mail upped is +3vits +3 str and IFK high def of lava mail but mine is 18def and I don't have high def of 19 of plate its 18 so choice is simple if mob is weak to magic lava mail weak to phisical than plate and to think I tried to sell lava upped and ppl laughed um glad I didn't once again becoming very valuable to me old school Lol just like my p garb I will never sell it FYI p garb pirate garb they changed the name to thieves garb aka t garb
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Post by Veiler on Sept 1, 2014 2:18:12 GMT
Paladin have secrets xD, i use Wound Transfer, Saltus Up, Barbarotita(Idealsol is Alternative Gear), and K.Gaunlet(ns)... all with HP+20% ... My build INT 136, VIT 256 and DEX 170, if only one mega i do like 7-7.2k dmg, ovbiously with barbarotita is more faster,but if i got full dex barbarotita should be unusable to -skill delay? Im thinking to add full INT, VIT and DEX, and use Magic Sword to DPS and Special Sword for tank c:, even Orichal Hammer is god to Tank
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Sept 1, 2014 5:12:31 GMT
Paladin have secrets xD, i use Wound Transfer, Saltus Up, Barbarotita(Idealsol is Alternative Gear), and K.Gaunlet(ns)... all with HP+20% ... My build INT 136, VIT 256 and DEX 170, if only one mega i do like 7-7.2k dmg, ovbiously with barbarotita is more faster,but if i got full dex barbarotita should be unusable to -skill delay? Im thinking to add full INT, VIT and DEX, and use Magic Sword to DPS and Special Sword for tank c:, even Orichal Hammer is god to Tank What secrets? There are no secrets here. XD I have never heard of anyone that has 1sec Guardian without the help of -skill delay gear, even from max DEX, so a -0.5sec skill delay should be present at your gear at all times. You don't need to have separate swords for everything. Wound transfer can be used for DPS and tanking. 7k damage to 1 mega is equal to 5k damage to 3 megas which is pretty much average from what I see. The simple key to tanking megas is just to have a 1 sec guardian, you don't need tank gear so just raise your DPS so that you can contribute to killing megas faster.
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Post by potato on Sept 1, 2014 6:02:34 GMT
im vit/int at 160 i use fuma (barbaro wasnt out that time) idk why i just feel like its already maxed with -0.5, same like exe up.
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Post by BlackSpade on Sept 9, 2014 2:54:53 GMT
I have high Str almost full and now I focus on Agi Vit Dex I want to try the paladin with high damage I need advice please There are only 4 builds for a paladin vit dex str - special sword guardian (best guardian dmg) vit Int dex - magic sword guardian crt vit str - normal sword berserker (best auto attack damage) crt vit Int - magic sword berserker do not do builds outside of this unless you know better.
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Post by BlackSpade on Sept 9, 2014 3:00:12 GMT
Wat is the best items and xtals for vit/int/crt type? Im trying to make berseker paladin , I need helps for items and xtals. Thanks advance....
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Sept 9, 2014 3:50:50 GMT
Wat is the best items and xtals for vit/int/crt type? Im trying to make berseker paladin , I need helps for items and xtals. Thanks advance.... Most of the gears would be similar to a Gladiator so you can check that section. The only difference would be the weapon choice, which should be magic sword or Throwing knife (since you are INT based). I would suggest you go max VIT first so you can still maintain your role as a Tank (you can still use HP gear + guardian, like everybody else. Gladiators will have less VIT because they are not required to tank). Then you add CRT stat (or CRT rate gears if you want to invest in INT early). I have a video that shows you can have good crit rate with 1CRT via gears (e.g. helshaft, schwartz, tech 4 and tech 5). click here for the linkThe video shows 6k+ damage single. If you have 256 CRT this will land about 17k+ single and 27k+ double and this is not even with good gear, so there is good potential damage. I think you can push to 20k+ single with good gear. Unfortunately, this potential only applies to dark mobs. Your damage to other mobs will be less than what a gladiator can do. Also, I think fortis affects this crit damage (not sure why). I noticed this when I made the video but never paid attention to it.
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Post by potato on Sept 12, 2014 11:59:38 GMT
Wat is the best items and xtals for vit/int/crt type? Im trying to make berseker paladin , I need helps for items and xtals. Thanks advance.... Most of the gears would be similar to a Gladiator so you can check that section. The only difference would be the weapon choice, which should be magic sword or Throwing knife (since you are INT based). I would suggest you go max VIT first so you can still maintain your role as a Tank (you can still use HP gear + guardian, like everybody else. Gladiators will have less VIT because they are not required to tank). Then you add CRT stat (or CRT rate gears if you want to invest in INT early). I have a video that shows you can have good crit rate with 1CRT via gears (e.g. helshaft, schwartz, tech 4 and tech 5). click here for the linkThe video shows 6k+ damage single. If you have 256 CRT this will land about 17k+ single and 27k+ double and this is not even with good gear, so there is good potential damage. I think you can push to 20k+ single with good gear. Unfortunately, this potential only applies to dark mobs. Your damage to other mobs will be less than what a gladiator can do. Also, I think fortis affects this crit damage (not sure why). I noticed this when I made the video but never paid attention to it. i guess fortis add melee too, vit x2 (?)
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Post by Shirou, Y on Oct 2, 2014 2:08:46 GMT
Paladins are the main tanks of the game, and when geared right and with the proper stats will be awesome! Stat Builds: Vit/Int/Dex/remaining to Str - This build is the perfect tank with some Damage dealing capabilities. Shrugs off physical and Magical attacks. Vit/Dex/Str/remaining to Int - The pure Damage Paladin, but weaker to magic attacks. Gears and Crystals: Special Sword such as Catskinner is necessary, until Catskinner is released make Int your main Damage stat and use a Magic Sword. Gear should be focuses on Damage reduction, and Hp+%. Plate Mail is the absolute Best armor to use. Avoid Kaise Pilz crystals though as the negative resistances hurt more then the Hp is helpful. Also Damage Relfection can be nice to reflect some Damage back, to obtain a great Slotted Special Equip for Paladin(Mp Consumption+100% and Damage Reflection+5%) simply do Mission quests until mission before Matadora as an Adventurer. What do you mean Until Matadora?? level??
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