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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jan 11, 2015 0:40:45 GMT
As far as I know from my experIence, Well geared HWiz & M.blade enchanter & geo spammer monk n of course bishop who spam heal can steal agro from pally. Even when the pally wear most hate+ gear set. Thats why its important to notice that maintain agro is not only tanker's responsibility, but also the dps classes n healer. Read the situation carefully.. Dont just spamming skill blindly This topic is interesting cos im a spammer assassin now and makin a int vit agi paladin, firstly,me,as a spammer sin atm, never ever get a paladin who can hold aggro from me, if i start spam more than 6 bs, boom!! Boss is gettin me as dinner, as far as i see, full eq hate paladin, with nice skill delay,that mix up devotion and guardian, can sustain aggro from me longer,about 10 backstab, dats all,after that, i get the aggro back. So what i think is, a paladin only can sustain aggro about 70%, which is maintaining it, party members like me, need to know on how to lower my aggro while pala doin his job, assassin also provided with side skill hate shift,which is if im the target, i can transfer my hate back to the tanker,and ofc, with my current bs dmg,need 2 times cast hate shift before the target is back to tanker x.x, so, i cant really straight spam. But well, if any paladins can make some research bout how to actually own the aggro,that, will make killing more smoothly and faster,i dont habe to stop spam xD After 6 bs I thought most bosses would be dead since sins are OP In single target dps. XD I wouldnt really recommend AGI on a pally because ASPD will interfere with guardian spam (you might have to move In between guardian to prevent attacking.) Would it be better to use hate shift before the tanker loses aggro rather than after? This way you might not have to cast it twice.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 11, 2015 0:59:25 GMT
I agree with MiLiGRiTo on the AGI on Paladin FlariusMagic Blade spammer plays very similarly to Paladin and when I had Passion Song used on me one time I wanted to shoot myself lol. Random auto attacks bugged the crap out of me. It sometimes even annoys me when Assassins cast Evasion on me(not as much of an issue with Sniper's Evasion). Back on topic, Assassins pull soo much hate. Highest in the game haha. I feel like 6 Backstabs is a little low though... I haven't noticed them stealing most of the time with only 6. Maybe I'm thinking he is spamming because the HP is going down at a ridiculous pace haha. I've fought some higher HP bosses with one though and only lost hate occassionally. He had -hate rise star abilities though. Edit: If you still want to do a VIT DEX AGI build and be a tank there's always Samurai. I don't think it is as effective at tanking as Paladin or Enchanter but can still tank almost everything without much of an issue and blows their damage out of the water with the Delay buff from Bishop.
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Post by Flarius on Jan 11, 2015 5:11:11 GMT
This topic is interesting cos im a spammer assassin now and makin a int vit agi paladin, firstly,me,as a spammer sin atm, never ever get a paladin who can hold aggro from me, if i start spam more than 6 bs, boom!! Boss is gettin me as dinner, as far as i see, full eq hate paladin, with nice skill delay,that mix up devotion and guardian, can sustain aggro from me longer,about 10 backstab, dats all,after that, i get the aggro back. So what i think is, a paladin only can sustain aggro about 70%, which is maintaining it, party members like me, need to know on how to lower my aggro while pala doin his job, assassin also provided with side skill hate shift,which is if im the target, i can transfer my hate back to the tanker,and ofc, with my current bs dmg,need 2 times cast hate shift before the target is back to tanker x.x, so, i cant really straight spam. But well, if any paladins can make some research bout how to actually own the aggro,that, will make killing more smoothly and faster,i dont habe to stop spam xD After 6 bs I thought most bosses would be dead since sins are OP In single target dps. XD I wouldnt really recommend AGI on a pally because ASPD will interfere with guardian spam (you might have to move In between guardian to prevent attacking.) Would it be better to use hate shift before the tanker loses aggro rather than after? This way you might not have to cast it twice. Well, if i use hate shift before pally lose agro,it will be like 4 bs, 1 hate shift, if that happen, ill be blowing dmg in much slower phase, id rather do 6bs, then boss kill me, bishop sudden heal me,and i keep spamming, more dmg dealt than hate shift simultaneously x.x
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What do people do with all the extra time they save by writing "K" instead of "OK"?
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Post by Flarius on Jan 11, 2015 5:14:14 GMT
I agree with MiLiGRiTo on the AGI on Paladin FlariusMagic Blade spammer plays very similarly to Paladin and when I had Passion Song used on me one time I wanted to shoot myself lol. Random auto attacks bugged the crap out of me. It sometimes even annoys me when Assassins cast Evasion on me(not as much of an issue with Sniper's Evasion). Back on topic, Assassins pull soo much hate. Highest in the game haha. I feel like 6 Backstabs is a little low though... I haven't noticed them stealing most of the time with only 6. Maybe I'm thinking he is spamming because the HP is going down at a ridiculous pace haha. I've fought some higher HP bosses with one though and only lost hate occassionally. He had -hate rise star abilities though. Edit: If you still want to do a VIT DEX AGI build and be a tank there's always Samurai. I don't think it is as effective at tanking as Paladin or Enchanter but can still tank almost everything without much of an issue and blows their damage out of the water with the Delay buff from Bishop. As for my int vit agi pally build, im sacrificing my shield in add eq to exchange it with the carib horns,which is aspd-100%, that way,my agi never interfere with my spamming,and even for the shield mastery out,i dont need it, i evd atks,and if it hits me, i have high hp,def and mdef to supoort
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jan 11, 2015 6:07:19 GMT
After 6 bs I thought most bosses would be dead since sins are OP In single target dps. XD I wouldnt really recommend AGI on a pally because ASPD will interfere with guardian spam (you might have to move In between guardian to prevent attacking.) Would it be better to use hate shift before the tanker loses aggro rather than after? This way you might not have to cast it twice. Well, if i use hate shift before pally lose agro,it will be like 4 bs, 1 hate shift, if that happen, ill be blowing dmg in much slower phase, id rather do 6bs, then boss kill me, bishop sudden heal me,and i keep spamming, more dmg dealt than hate shift simultaneously x.x Well I dont have a sin and I rarely get one In a party so I couldnt tell which Is better. I just assumed that being able to retain party buffs will generally be able to cover the dps lost by dying and rebuffing or dps lost by spamming bs without party buffs.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jan 11, 2015 6:11:07 GMT
I agree with MiLiGRiTo on the AGI on Paladin FlariusMagic Blade spammer plays very similarly to Paladin and when I had Passion Song used on me one time I wanted to shoot myself lol. Random auto attacks bugged the crap out of me. It sometimes even annoys me when Assassins cast Evasion on me(not as much of an issue with Sniper's Evasion). Back on topic, Assassins pull soo much hate. Highest in the game haha. I feel like 6 Backstabs is a little low though... I haven't noticed them stealing most of the time with only 6. Maybe I'm thinking he is spamming because the HP is going down at a ridiculous pace haha. I've fought some higher HP bosses with one though and only lost hate occassionally. He had -hate rise star abilities though. Edit: If you still want to do a VIT DEX AGI build and be a tank there's always Samurai. I don't think it is as effective at tanking as Paladin or Enchanter but can still tank almost everything without much of an issue and blows their damage out of the water with the Delay buff from Bishop. As for my int vit agi pally build, im sacrificing my shield in add eq to exchange it with the carib horns,which is aspd-100%, that way,my agi never interfere with my spamming,and even for the shield mastery out,i dont need it, i evd atks,and if it hits me, i have high hp,def and mdef to supoort Well yeah that could work. You will need to maintain -aspd In your gear but yeah I guess one can live with that.
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Post by AnTz on Jan 19, 2015 5:42:06 GMT
As far as I know from my experience, Well geared HWiz & M.blade enchanter & geo spammer monk n of course bishop who spam heal can steal agro from pally. Even when the pally wear most hate+ gear set. Thats why its important to notice that maintain agro is not only tanker's responsibility, but also the dps classes n healer. Read the situation carefully.. Dont just spamming skill blindly This topic is interesting cos im a spammer assassin now and makin a int vit agi paladin, firstly,me,as a spammer sin atm, never ever get a paladin who can hold aggro from me, if i start spam more than 6 bs, boom!! Boss is gettin me as dinner, as far as i see, full eq hate paladin, with nice skill delay,that mix up devotion and guardian, can sustain aggro from me longer,about 10 backstab, dats all,after that, i get the aggro back. So what i think is, a paladin only can sustain aggro about 70%, which is maintaining it, party members like me, need to know on how to lower my aggro while pala doin his job, assassin also provided with side skill hate shift,which is if im the target, i can transfer my hate back to the tanker,and ofc, with my current bs dmg,need 2 times cast hate shift before the target is back to tanker x.x, so, i cant really straight spam. But well, if any paladins can make some research bout how to actually own the aggro,that, will make killing more smoothly and faster,i dont habe to stop spam xD I agree with u XD I often in party with an assasin who spam backstab, n I only able to hold agro for like 5-6 bs before boss eat the assassins. I stil in research bout how to maintain hate when in party with super agro skill spammer classes. Hopefully I can get some method, so each round in boss will be more smooth
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Post by Nyx on Sept 3, 2015 21:51:30 GMT
Does samurai skill (supernatural? And grand mgjesty?) make them hold hate for the whole battle?
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Post by mokie on Sept 3, 2015 22:31:45 GMT
Does samurai skill (supernatural? And grand mgjesty?) make them hold hate for the whole battle? Supernatural does well. Maybe, too well. Long time ago, I was playing samurai, and I was doing mq with ninja and HW. Ninja started attack Irai until his hp become 2/3. I just wanted to help, so I used Supernatural. Then Irai walked toward me immediately. I didn't deal any single hit on him yet. >.< For the other skill, I don't think it good. Why don't you ask about these on samurai forum instead. Maybe, you will get better info.
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Post by Nyx on Sept 4, 2015 17:37:46 GMT
Actually i wanted to see how good it is against provoke and guardian spam...amd tysm
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Post by mokie on Sept 4, 2015 19:41:06 GMT
I'm not sure about guardian, but provoke lvl4 is more powerful than supernatural.
My build doesn't usually use guardian, so I can't answer that. But, when supernatural draws attention from a boss, I can counter back with Provoke 4. The boss just walks back. It is easy like that.
I believe if I spamming Guardian, it should be better than spamming provoke. If I use only one time skill, provoke 4 is the most powerful gaining hate skill. Anyway, provoke delay make it almost useless in practice.
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Post by maximo24 on Sept 12, 2015 11:31:38 GMT
Ok i explain why you lose agroo is just very simple the highest the damg you deal the highest the agro you get im a paladin lv 276 and 4 i experience agroo is based on dmg if you get party with a hi wizard that can deal over 40k dmg vs your guardian skill in some cases deal like 9k to 20+ dmg is a big part of gaining agro when i hi wizard deal more dmg in less time then you he can steal your agro i test that teory with assasing those guys deal over 150k by sec vs your 30k guardian a sooner they do back stap you lose agro and is because they deal more dmg if you use your logic and you where a live who you kill first the one is dealing lest dmg or the one is kicking your ass so thats why pali now day we lose agro because now theres another classes they can deal more dmg in less time well not until are new skill for lv 260 im waiting for it heheh so i hope this help for you guys sorry for my English im not very got at it
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Post by UIRepth on Sept 15, 2015 9:56:39 GMT
try hate+ and -sd set spaming provoke 4 should make boss lock on u
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Post by quitted on May 24, 2016 15:24:14 GMT
im a gladiator not paladin, also have problem on keeping hate bar high. in fact gladiator need to work harder than paladin on keeping hate bar high because sword tempest is their best hate generator but unfortunately have 5 seconds delay total, compared to guardian which i believe have shorter delay.
i always got blamed as not a good tanker and asked to use only hate increase+% stat on gears and xtals. but we gladiator cant do that because we cant relying fully on basic stat only like DEX to fully reduce sword tempest delay.
tempest sword have 5 second skill delay total, and DEX only can reduce 1.5 seconds of it. so gladiators need 3.5 seconds more on equipment and xtals to reduce to the its shortest skill delay.
if non-tankers refuse to to control hate bar. you guys will be suicide attackers or healers forever.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 25, 2016 11:12:01 GMT
im a gladiator not paladin, also have problem on keeping hate bar high. in fact gladiator need to work harder than paladin on keeping hate bar high because sword tempest is their best hate generator but unfortunately have 5 seconds delay total, compared to guardian which i believe have shorter delay. i always got blamed as not a good tanker and asked to use only hate increase+% stat on gears and xtals. but we gladiator cant do that because we cant relying fully on basic stat only like DEX to fully reduce sword tempest delay. tempest sword have 5 second skill delay total, and DEX only can reduce 1.5 seconds of it. so gladiators need 3.5 seconds more on equipment and xtals to reduce to the its shortest skill delay. if non-tankers refuse to to control hate bar. you guys will be suicide attackers or healers forever. I wouldnt really deem it impossible for glads to gear themselves as tank (mix delay, hate, hp, mitigation, etc). You may lose out on dps but you will be better in tanking. But yes, i agree that hate is everybodys resposibility, in as much as making faster kills is everybodys responsibility.
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