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Post by Excalibur on Dec 9, 2016 14:07:57 GMT
So I just got Bloodthirst today (Woohoo!!). So I was wondering what the other gladiator's proc heal for hp and mp are o.o
For me
HP Regain - 12k MP Regain - 100
My stats are
STR CRT VIT AGI
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 9, 2016 17:25:53 GMT
So I just got Bloodthirst today (Woohoo!!). So I was wondering what the other gladiator's proc heal for hp and mp are o.o For me HP Regain - 12k MP Regain - 100 My stats are STR CRT VIT AGI Not sure what you mean here but grats on bloodthirst. Some people might get mad at this advice i am about to give you but i suggest you go and make another class. If you like sword type classes then try enchy or pally (enchy more op version of gladi with matk instead of atk). The reason i say this is because gladiator is a seriously out of date class that will only disappoint you more and more the further you level up. Use the time with 1000%+ exp to quickly get 260 on any other class (as almost any other class would be a better choice) then do mq after. That will actually be faster than attempting to level gladiator to 300 (which you'd very likely give up on with or without my warning) Dont throw gladiator away, keep it in case they patch and fix it but if i was you i would not waste any more time on it now and id build another class while the exp buff is on
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 9, 2016 17:27:44 GMT
This is the advice i am giving to all would be gladiator while the exp buff is on.
Go and make another class asap...
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 10, 2016 4:29:07 GMT
It's always 20% of HP and MP
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Post by snake on Dec 10, 2016 10:26:38 GMT
Not sure what you mean here but grats on bloodthirst. Some people might get mad at this advice i am about to give you but i suggest you go and make another class. If you like sword type classes then try enchy or pally (enchy more op version of gladi with matk instead of atk). The reason i say this is because gladiator is a seriously out of date class that will only disappoint you more and more the further you level up. Use the time with 1000%+ exp to quickly get 260 on any other class (as almost any other class would be a better choice) then do mq after. That will actually be faster than attempting to level gladiator to 300 (which you'd very likely give up on with or without my warning) Dont throw gladiator away, keep it in case they patch and fix it but if i was you i would not waste any more time on it now and id build another class while the exp buff is on That's not what op asked about, and why would he make another class if he enjoys this one?
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 12:26:36 GMT
Not sure what you mean here but grats on bloodthirst. Some people might get mad at this advice i am about to give you but i suggest you go and make another class. If you like sword type classes then try enchy or pally (enchy more op version of gladi with matk instead of atk). The reason i say this is because gladiator is a seriously out of date class that will only disappoint you more and more the further you level up. Use the time with 1000%+ exp to quickly get 260 on any other class (as almost any other class would be a better choice) then do mq after. That will actually be faster than attempting to level gladiator to 300 (which you'd very likely give up on with or without my warning) Dont throw gladiator away, keep it in case they patch and fix it but if i was you i would not waste any more time on it now and id build another class while the exp buff is on That's not what op asked about, and why would he make another class if he enjoys this one? Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm, and that enjoyment will quickly fade when he learns nobody is going to party him for any sort of grind and he'll be stuck grinding alone... You know full well If they have no plans to patch this or give us new skills that would really change our class then its not worth continuing. Sin just got a patch that increases their bs dmg but also gives them 10 second stun.... They can hit 800k per second and stun a boss for 10 seconds... How on earth can gladi even begind to compete? You got samu, ninja, enchy, pally, rush monks soloing every boss in game just like gladi but their damage output is nearly twice as high as us or 3 times. So wheres the benefits of being gladi here? if our main specialty is soloing bosses but every single one of those classes can solo all bosses and do much better damage why on earth should anyone choose a gladi over any of those other classes? Maybe you walk around the game with pt only on and logs off? But unless you haven't noticed we are one of the weakest damage dealing classes, we're only above bk right now... And that specialty of soloing bosses isn't so special if you go look at the other vids from other classes soloing bosses without death. I put just as much time into this as you have but im going to be honest with myself here.... This class is way too out of date, we are in desperate need of a patch/skill upgrades. So i suggested to anyone... You included, make another character while this +1000% exp buff is happening
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 13:37:26 GMT
That's not what op asked about, and why would he make another class if he enjoys this one? Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm, and that enjoyment will quickly fade when he learns nobody is going to party him for any sort of grind and he'll be stuck grinding alone... You know full well If they have no plans to patch this or give us new skills that would really change our class then its not worth continuing. Sin just got a patch that increases their bs dmg but also gives them 10 second stun.... They can hit 800k per second and stun a boss for 10 seconds... How on earth can gladi even begind to compete? You got samu, ninja, enchy, pally, rush monks soloing every boss in game just like gladi but their damage output is nearly twice as high as us or 3 times. So wheres the benefits of being gladi here? if our main specialty is soloing bosses but every single one of those classes can solo all bosses and do much better damage why on earth should anyone choose a gladi over any of those other classes? Maybe you walk around the game with pt only on and logs off? But unless you haven't noticed we are one of the weakest damage dealing classes, we're only above bk right now... And that specialty of soloing bosses isn't so special if you go look at the other vids from other classes soloing bosses without death. I put just as much time into this as you have but im going to be honest with myself here.... This class is way too out of date, we are in desperate need of a patch/skill upgrades. So i suggested to anyone... You included, make another character while this +1000% exp buff is happening Pally is a bad comparison dude. To hit the 1m+ needs like 300+ and maybe 2b of equips (way more really) and even then that 1m damage is still just 100k/sec ...
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 10, 2016 13:50:15 GMT
That's not what op asked about, and why would he make another class if he enjoys this one? Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm, and that enjoyment will quickly fade when he learns nobody is going to party him for any sort of grind and he'll be stuck grinding alone... You know full well If they have no plans to patch this or give us new skills that would really change our class then its not worth continuing. Sin just got a patch that increases their bs dmg but also gives them 10 second stun.... They can hit 800k per second and stun a boss for 10 seconds... How on earth can gladi even begind to compete? You got samu, ninja, enchy, pally, rush monks soloing every boss in game just like gladi but their damage output is nearly twice as high as us or 3 times. So wheres the benefits of being gladi here? if our main specialty is soloing bosses but every single one of those classes can solo all bosses and do much better damage why on earth should anyone choose a gladi over any of those other classes? Maybe you walk around the game with pt only on and logs off? But unless you haven't noticed we are one of the weakest damage dealing classes, we're only above bk right now... And that specialty of soloing bosses isn't so special if you go look at the other vids from other classes soloing bosses without death. I put just as much time into this as you have but im going to be honest with myself here.... This class is way too out of date, we are in desperate need of a patch/skill upgrades. So i suggested to anyone... You included, make another character while this +1000% exp buff is happening Weak as a wet napkin.. xD It's not *that* bad. Let the player enjoy gladiator. The damage is not super bad. I hit more than 80k per auto attack with just my normal buffs on (hell lot more with correct elements and whatnot). One with low end equips can still do 40k. That's not so bad. And that auto is interfike fast. Aside from that MP cost is 1. Perfect for bot grinding. Just kidding!!!!! Gladiator's poopy atm but I think it's just as poopy as most classes are (not including the game favored classes). No need to stop anyone from enjoying a class they want. Maybe they like swords in particular. I can't imagine playing with a nail weapon or having 3k hp or not using solid skin. It's all preference. Op - the amount is consistenly 20% of your HP and MP. I don't see the point in comparing amounts with others. I think it has a fixed chance rate too because I tested it with a Daiginjo and did not notice significant difference.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 13:51:03 GMT
Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm, and that enjoyment will quickly fade when he learns nobody is going to party him for any sort of grind and he'll be stuck grinding alone... You know full well If they have no plans to patch this or give us new skills that would really change our class then its not worth continuing. Sin just got a patch that increases their bs dmg but also gives them 10 second stun.... They can hit 800k per second and stun a boss for 10 seconds... How on earth can gladi even begind to compete? You got samu, ninja, enchy, pally, rush monks soloing every boss in game just like gladi but their damage output is nearly twice as high as us or 3 times. So wheres the benefits of being gladi here? if our main specialty is soloing bosses but every single one of those classes can solo all bosses and do much better damage why on earth should anyone choose a gladi over any of those other classes? Maybe you walk around the game with pt only on and logs off? But unless you haven't noticed we are one of the weakest damage dealing classes, we're only above bk right now... And that specialty of soloing bosses isn't so special if you go look at the other vids from other classes soloing bosses without death. I put just as much time into this as you have but im going to be honest with myself here.... This class is way too out of date, we are in desperate need of a patch/skill upgrades. So i suggested to anyone... You included, make another character while this +1000% exp buff is happening Pally is a bad comparison dude. To hit the 1m+ needs like 300+ and maybe 2b of equips (way more really) and even then that 1m damage is still just 100k/sec ... Its true that pally needs to be top tier (but so does gladi), pally got to be top level with much of your stars released with the best pally gear available to clear those feats but ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, ouvel, anis and many other earlier ep4 bosses like kagan. The point is that they CAN still do it and deal much better damage than gladiator when they do decide to get to that stage. Also gladiator is the same... My gladiator al page alone cost me over 1b, not to mention raton on add and grapagos on weapon costs nearly half a bill. Actually to get gladi to a stage where they can solo bosses like telon and gk you need to have spent more than 3b to get there.
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 10, 2016 13:57:14 GMT
Pally is a bad comparison dude. To hit the 1m+ needs like 300+ and maybe 2b of equips (way more really) and even then that 1m damage is still just 100k/sec ... Its true that pally needs to be top tier (but so does gladi), pally got to be top level with much of your stars released with the best pally gear available to clear those feats but ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, ouvel, anis and many other earlier ep4 bosses like kagan. The point is that they CAN still do it and deal much better damage than gladiator when they do decide to get to that stage. Also gladiator is the same... My gladiator al page alone cost me over 1b, not to mention raton on add and grapagos on weapon costs nearly half a bill. Actually to get gladi to a stage where they can solo bosses like telon and gk you need to have spent more than 3b to get there. You actually can with solo those with the right delay gear and abilities. Does not have to be top tier. Having top tier equip just makes it easier. I own both classes with top equip and my gladiator can finish anything faster alone than my paladin (I have item and skill delay down to 1s). Both can do the job done, but my higher level, fully equipped gladi can perform better. My point is the class isn't as bad as you're trying to tell the OP. If they really want to join parties, then recommend them to be a bishop, HW and ninja because that's pretty much everyone on Iruna these days. Not so fun to play imo.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 13:57:39 GMT
Pally is a bad comparison dude. To hit the 1m+ needs like 300+ and maybe 2b of equips (way more really) and even then that 1m damage is still just 100k/sec ... Its true that pally needs to be top tier (but so does gladi), pally got to be top level with much of your stars released with the best pally gear available to clear those feats but ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, ouvel, anis and many other earlier ep4 bosses like kagan. The point is that they CAN still do it and deal much better damage than gladiator when they do decide to get to that stage. Also gladiator is the same... My gladiator al page alone cost me over 1b, not to mention raton on add and grapagos on weapon costs nearly half a bill. Actually to get gladi to a stage where they can solo bosses like telon and gk you need to hace spent more than 3b to get there. Pally could solo all those bosses without oath in just pure tankyness anyway. Main 1 that really require that 1 hit effect are those most harmful to pal which deal burn and freeze. Honestly though, with glads stone skin, Regen and bloodthirsty they can tank near as well as paladins. Srs, just who's got the short end of the stick when a damage dealer doesn't need a tank to cover them. It's all cool, we'll just go play with ourselves (no asteg, not like that...) Like we always have.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 14:04:11 GMT
Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm, and that enjoyment will quickly fade when he learns nobody is going to party him for any sort of grind and he'll be stuck grinding alone... You know full well If they have no plans to patch this or give us new skills that would really change our class then its not worth continuing. Sin just got a patch that increases their bs dmg but also gives them 10 second stun.... They can hit 800k per second and stun a boss for 10 seconds... How on earth can gladi even begind to compete? You got samu, ninja, enchy, pally, rush monks soloing every boss in game just like gladi but their damage output is nearly twice as high as us or 3 times. So wheres the benefits of being gladi here? if our main specialty is soloing bosses but every single one of those classes can solo all bosses and do much better damage why on earth should anyone choose a gladi over any of those other classes? Maybe you walk around the game with pt only on and logs off? But unless you haven't noticed we are one of the weakest damage dealing classes, we're only above bk right now... And that specialty of soloing bosses isn't so special if you go look at the other vids from other classes soloing bosses without death. I put just as much time into this as you have but im going to be honest with myself here.... This class is way too out of date, we are in desperate need of a patch/skill upgrades. So i suggested to anyone... You included, make another character while this +1000% exp buff is happening Weak as a wet napkin.. xD It's not *that* bad. Let the player enjoy gladiator. The damage is not super bad. I hit more than 80k per auto attack with just my normal buffs on (hell lot more with correct elements and whatnot). One with low end equips can still do 40k. That's not so bad. And that auto is interfike fast. Aside from that MP cost is 1. Perfect for bot grinding. Just kidding!!!!! Gladiator's poopy atm but I think it's just as poopy as most classes are (not including the game favored classes). No need to stop anyone from enjoying a class they want. Maybe they like swords in particular. I can't imagine playing with a nail weapon or having 3k hp or not using solid skin. It's all preference. Op - the amount is consistenly 20% of your HP and MP. I don't see the point in comparing amounts with others. I think it has a fixed chance rate too because I tested it with a Daiginjo and did not notice significant difference. Its worse than you think im afraid. I hit 133k on baum warriors with dizzy, around 115k on yarde with dizzy (shave off 9 to 10k to get my no dizzy dmg) - normal buffs with ele drinks. My damage on anis is around 145k but i could hit higher if i switched back to agi, i went vit to make mob grind faster though (cross counter makes mob grinding nearly twice as fast) So my damage is right now about top level for my class... So to give you an idea... Samu can do 300k+in at those levels after spending same spina and their survival can but just as good as ours. Ninja can now do over 1m damage and solo just as wellas us. Enchy as of their last patch and the recent skill update have passed us in dps and even have slightly better survivability now too... Rush monk has slightly more dps and better survivability but the difference is they would need to spend a fraction of the spina we spend to get there... Sorry bro its a lot worse than you actually think.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 14:06:33 GMT
Its true that pally needs to be top tier (but so does gladi), pally got to be top level with much of your stars released with the best pally gear available to clear those feats but ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, ouvel, anis and many other earlier ep4 bosses like kagan. The point is that they CAN still do it and deal much better damage than gladiator when they do decide to get to that stage. Also gladiator is the same... My gladiator al page alone cost me over 1b, not to mention raton on add and grapagos on weapon costs nearly half a bill. Actually to get gladi to a stage where they can solo bosses like telon and gk you need to have spent more than 3b to get there. You actually can with solo those with the right delay gear and abilities. Does not have to be top tier. Having top tier equip just makes it easier. I own both classes with top equip and my gladiator can finish anything faster alone than my paladin (I have item and skill delay down to 1s). Both can do the job done, but my higher level, fully equipped gladi can perform better. My point is the class isn't as bad as you're trying to tell the OP. If they really want to join parties, then recommend them to be a bishop, HW and ninja because that's pretty much everyone on Iruna these days. Not so fun to play imo. Ninja is okay now, sk and pf made them interesting
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 10, 2016 14:11:48 GMT
Weak as a wet napkin.. xD It's not *that* bad. Let the player enjoy gladiator. The damage is not super bad. I hit more than 80k per auto attack with just my normal buffs on (hell lot more with correct elements and whatnot). One with low end equips can still do 40k. That's not so bad. And that auto is interfike fast. Aside from that MP cost is 1. Perfect for bot grinding. Just kidding!!!!! Gladiator's poopy atm but I think it's just as poopy as most classes are (not including the game favored classes). No need to stop anyone from enjoying a class they want. Maybe they like swords in particular. I can't imagine playing with a nail weapon or having 3k hp or not using solid skin. It's all preference. Op - the amount is consistenly 20% of your HP and MP. I don't see the point in comparing amounts with others. I think it has a fixed chance rate too because I tested it with a Daiginjo and did not notice significant difference. Its worse than you think im afraid. I hit 133k on baum warriors with dizzy, around 115k on yarde with dizzy (shave off 9 to 10k to get my no dizzy dmg) - normal buffs with ele drinks. My damage on anis is around 145k but i could hit higher if i switched back to agi, i went vit to make mob grind faster though (cross counter makes mob grinding nearly twice as fast) So my damage is right now about top level for my class... So to give you an idea... Samu can do 300k+in at those levels after spending same spina and their survival can but just as good as ours. Ninja can now do over 1m damage and solo just as wellas us. Enchy as of their last patch and the recent skill update have passed us in dps and even have slightly better survivability now too... Rush monk has slightly more dps and better survivability but the difference is they would need to spend a fraction of the spina we spend to get there... Sorry bro its a lot worse than you actually think. But we are not "weak". Maybe yours is. Lol That's just what I'm trying to say to the OP. Gladiators can just be as powerful as samurais and enchanters (which I think is gladiator's magic counterpart). 300k+? Well mine can do half of that in a second and not have to worry about getting single damage, while using 1MP and having heaps of HP and healing 20% of it by chance. I am 100% sure it's not as bad as you are trying to mislead the OP too because I have samurai and enchanter friends. Let's not include the bishops and ninjas because the game's pretty much rigged for those classes.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 14:23:42 GMT
Its worse than you think im afraid. I hit 133k on baum warriors with dizzy, around 115k on yarde with dizzy (shave off 9 to 10k to get my no dizzy dmg) - normal buffs with ele drinks. My damage on anis is around 145k but i could hit higher if i switched back to agi, i went vit to make mob grind faster though (cross counter makes mob grinding nearly twice as fast) So my damage is right now about top level for my class... So to give you an idea... Samu can do 300k+in at those levels after spending same spina and their survival can but just as good as ours. Ninja can now do over 1m damage and solo just as wellas us. Enchy as of their last patch and the recent skill update have passed us in dps and even have slightly better survivability now too... Rush monk has slightly more dps and better survivability but the difference is they would need to spend a fraction of the spina we spend to get there... Sorry bro its a lot worse than you actually think. But we are not "weak". Maybe yours is. Lol That's just what I'm trying to say to the OP. Gladiators can just be as powerful as samurais and enchanters (which I think is gladiator's magic counterpart). 300k+? Well mine can do half of that in a second and not have to worry about getting single damage, while using 1MP and having heaps of HP and healing 20% of it by chance. I am 100% sure it's not as bad as you are trying to mislead the OP too because I have samurai and enchanter friends. Let's not include the bishops and ninjas because the game's pretty much rigged for those classes. Actually depending on the mob my auto atk is over 80k so if im weak so are you but we're not. We're top level for our class. But you need to stop and think about it for a second... If our main specialty is being able to solo bosses and survive better than other classes why can those other classes do the same with higher damage? It doesn't matter how we get to the end result... Its the end result that counts, wether that requires you to use 30 thick revita and 50 salt... The end result is still the same... And if their end result gives them same level of survivability than us or in some cases better than us (rush monk and enchy) while dealing more damage than we do... What exactly is the benefit of building a gladiator?
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