Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 10, 2016 14:30:51 GMT
But we are not "weak". Maybe yours is. Lol That's just what I'm trying to say to the OP. Gladiators can just be as powerful as samurais and enchanters (which I think is gladiator's magic counterpart). 300k+? Well mine can do half of that in a second and not have to worry about getting single damage, while using 1MP and having heaps of HP and healing 20% of it by chance. I am 100% sure it's not as bad as you are trying to mislead the OP too because I have samurai and enchanter friends. Let's not include the bishops and ninjas because the game's pretty much rigged for those classes. Actually depending on the mob my auto atk is over 80k so if im weak so are you but we're not. We're top level for our class. But you need to stop and think about it for a second... If our main specialty is being able to solo bosses and survive better than other classes why can those other classes do the same with higher damage? It doesn't matter how we get to the end result... Its the end result that counts, wether that requires you to use 30 thick revita and 50 salt... The end result is still the same... And if their end result gives them same level of survivability than us or in some cases (rush monk and enchy) while dealing more damage than we do... What exactly is the benefit of building a gladiator? Does it have to be specialty? Does it have to have a reason to play the class? Maybe I just want to play it because it's cool? Maybe I don't want flashy lights that come from enchanters (I fricken hate pting with these people)? Or have 10k HP like a monk (they're just as rare as gladiators)? Or maybe I just don't like the samurai japanese theme? It just comes off that you're trash talking the class and discourages new players to try it. You're making it look like that gladiators are inferior than the classes you're telling. It's not. 100% sure. Maybe slightly more powerful depending on your preference. Now it's a different story if you include ninjas, bishops and HWs. Because those guys get all the favor. I'll understand it if you tell the OP to just go after those 3, but say that gladiators are inferior to the others, then you're just plain wrong.
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Post by snake on Dec 10, 2016 14:35:50 GMT
Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm That's a terrible reason to quit one class (and also not true), it's not always about which class has the highest dps, because that kills the concept of a mmorpg game which is based on class system. Might play a single player game as well if you care only about how easy a class is. And me included? Why would i make another character, i quit iruna quite a while ago, so i don't give a damn.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 14:44:41 GMT
Actually depending on the mob my auto atk is over 80k so if im weak so are you but we're not. We're top level for our class. But you need to stop and think about it for a second... If our main specialty is being able to solo bosses and survive better than other classes why can those other classes do the same with higher damage? It doesn't matter how we get to the end result... Its the end result that counts, wether that requires you to use 30 thick revita and 50 salt... The end result is still the same... And if their end result gives them same level of survivability than us or in some cases (rush monk and enchy) while dealing more damage than we do... What exactly is the benefit of building a gladiator? Does it have to be specialty? Does it have to have a reason to play the class? Maybe I just want to play it because it's cool? Maybe I don't want flashy lights that come from enchanters (I fricken hate pting with these people)? Or have 10k HP like a monk (they're just as rare as gladiators)? Or maybe I just don't like the samurai japanese theme? It just comes off that you're trash talking the class and discourages new players to try it. You're making it look like that gladiators are inferior than the classes you're telling. It's not. 100% sure. Maybe slightly more powerful depending on your preference. Now it's a different story if you include ninjas, bishops and HWs. Because those guys get all the favor. I'll understand it if you tell the OP to just go after those 3, but say that gladiators are inferior to the others, then you're just plain wrong. You dont know enough about other classes then to know that its 100% true... Lets take sin for example, they can now stun for 10 seconds and do 800k dmg each second... My sin friends can now solo 90% of the bosses in game without dying. Sniper also got some insane boosts in recent patch but i haven't seen much of them. But they cant solo well at all so i cant include these guys... But their mob dmg is insanely high Enchy now has better damage than we do with better survivability, if you dont believe me go find a good one to show you. Can solo better than we can and do more damage, they are simply a better version than us Samu = ^ and their easier to level than we are because people party them. Like you say asobimo favours certain classes but if thats true which i believe it is... Its also true that they neglect certain classes... And those classes they neglect are bk servant and gladiator. If you want to really see how badly gladiator is neglected then why dont you think back to the last skill update... Did we get any new skills to add to our arsenal? Then go look at the other classes ive mentioned... They get new skills? Brand new skills to add to their arsenal... What does that tell you about the level of effort they put it? PIE man tgey didnt even bother to give us tempest 2 more than 120 past the level we need to get tempest 1... And its still our main skill... But alllll those classes got upgrades to their old skills and brand new skills to boot... We are 100% weaker than them too... Im just being realistic here bro...
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 14:50:26 GMT
Because this ones weak as a wet napkin atm That's a terrible reason to quit one class (and also not true), it's not always about which class has the highest dps, because that kills the concept of a mmorpg game which is based on class system. Might play a single player game as well if you care only about how easy a class is. And me included? Why would i make another character, i quit iruna quite a while ago, so i don't give a damn. Okay so if you quit iruna a while ago then you need to go look at the recent skill patches they have given to: Sniper Assassin Samurai Enchanter And a couple of others... Then tell me where we stand in this game... They made enchy just simply stronger than us in every possible way. Sin can stun for 10 seconds and do more bs dmg in one second than we can ever hope to get too.
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 10, 2016 15:14:28 GMT
I'm done with this conversation. If you hate the class so much then go play something else. Do not mislead others into not playing this class.
OP - Keep playing whatever class you want. Do not be discouraged to experiment. Gladiator isn't weak like what this guy says. Maybe his is crap. Idk. Maybe he got too jelous of his friends. Who cares.
The other classes are just as bad, if not slightly better or worse. It depends on your preferences.
It's not the best atm at damage, but great HP (100k+), evasion (up to 1.5k eva) and high resistance is pretty cool. The bloodthirst skill (which makes your MP Cost 1MP) is very useful too. It's awesomd for anyone who prefers a play style like that.
Good luck building your character and have fun playing the app. ^_^
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 15:23:52 GMT
That's a terrible reason to quit one class (and also not true), it's not always about which class has the highest dps, because that kills the concept of a mmorpg game which is based on class system. Might play a single player game as well if you care only about how easy a class is. And me included? Why would i make another character, i quit iruna quite a while ago, so i don't give a damn. Okay so if you quit iruna a while ago then you need to go look at the recent skill patches they have given to: Sniper Assassin Samurai Enchanter And a couple of others... Then tell me where we stand in this game... They made enchy just simply stronger than us in every possible way. Sin can stun for 10 seconds and do more bs dmg in one second than we can ever hope to get too. Up until recently you would agree (and you have) that enchies have it just as bad. You will continue to say how neglected glad had been, yet when it is once again their time I'm pretty certain you will be right amongst those decreeing just how damned good glad is over other classes. There was a time pallies just played with themselves as an actual tank wasn't appreciated by those with rose tinted glasses for dps. Yet even before an aoe skill which gave some love, we still played with ourselves, and we enjoyed it, because we were pallies and we're damned proud of the grind to be effective tanks. Then we got guardian. Yay some love. Oh wait, don't leave guys, ik the dps isn't high but this works to keep Agro of multiple mobs on us. Huh? That's not appreciated? Or even considered? OK, we'll keep playing by ourselves again (and shagging some poor bishes leg as we can XD) then we got guardian 2,usher in the advent off the HP hard on pallies using full piltz set (bruh!) still same result as when it first came out. Now fuckin hooray! Oath, will you look at that sht!! Omg 1 hit almas, omg this is sweet, I'm loved omg so this is what it feels like to actually be loved?! Oh wait, nvm, other classes doing that per sec. *shrugs* it was good while it lasted. Ima keep doing as I always have and play with myself as no1 loves me and I will remain a proud pal still because handling sht is just what we do. Le end...
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 15:50:45 GMT
Okay so if you quit iruna a while ago then you need to go look at the recent skill patches they have given to: Sniper Assassin Samurai Enchanter And a couple of others... Then tell me where we stand in this game... They made enchy just simply stronger than us in every possible way. Sin can stun for 10 seconds and do more bs dmg in one second than we can ever hope to get too. Up until recently you would agree (and you have) that enchies have it just as bad. You will continue to say how neglected glad had been, yet when it is once again their time I'm pretty certain you will be right amongst those decreeing just how damned good glad is over other classes. There was a time pallies just played with themselves as an actual tank wasn't appreciated by those with rose tinted glasses for dps. Yet even before an aoe skill which gave some love, we still played with ourselves, and we enjoyed it, because we were pallies and we're damned proud of the grind to be effective tanks. Then we got guardian. Yay some love. Oh wait, don't leave guys, ik the dps isn't high but this works to keep Agro of multiple mobs on us. Huh? That's not appreciated? Or even considered? OK, we'll keep playing by ourselves again (and shagging some poor bishes leg as we can XD) then we got guardian 2,usher in the advent off the HP hard on pallies using full piltz set (bruh!) still same result as when it first came out. Now fuckin hooray! Oath, will you look at that sht!! Omg 1 hit almas, omg this is sweet, I'm loved omg so this is what it feels like to actually be loved?! Oh wait, nvm, other classes doing that per sec. *shrugs* it was good while it lasted. Ima keep doing as I always have and play with myself as no1 loves me and I will remain a proud pal still because handling sht is just what we do. Le end... The problem is that gladiator got one new skill in the last 2 years and that didn't upgrade our damage. Last set of skill release we got jack sht, we went from being one of the best damage dealing classes to one of the worst Pally went from being one of the worst to one of the best. If they improve gladiator then yes i would love it but we have been stagnant for over 2 years now... Enchy USE to suffer from the same issue but last skill upgrade enchy got a boost that made them just as strong as us and now they got a boost that makes them better than us. You just need to look at our tempest 2 or our pillar 2 to know wha... Oh wait... You cant look at them, we are actually the only class that doesn't have an upgrade to any of our early 200 dmg skills except sin who recently got a damage boost for their bs anyway. You are right if they change it and make gladiator op again then i would really take my time rubbing it in any other classes face because its 2 fking years due to us... The neglect has been real...
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 15:52:38 GMT
Up until recently you would agree (and you have) that enchies have it just as bad. You will continue to say how neglected glad had been, yet when it is once again their time I'm pretty certain you will be right amongst those decreeing just how damned good glad is over other classes. There was a time pallies just played with themselves as an actual tank wasn't appreciated by those with rose tinted glasses for dps. Yet even before an aoe skill which gave some love, we still played with ourselves, and we enjoyed it, because we were pallies and we're damned proud of the grind to be effective tanks. Then we got guardian. Yay some love. Oh wait, don't leave guys, ik the dps isn't high but this works to keep Agro of multiple mobs on us. Huh? That's not appreciated? Or even considered? OK, we'll keep playing by ourselves again (and shagging some poor bishes leg as we can XD) then we got guardian 2,usher in the advent off the HP hard on pallies using full piltz set (bruh!) still same result as when it first came out. Now fuckin hooray! Oath, will you look at that sht!! Omg 1 hit almas, omg this is sweet, I'm loved omg so this is what it feels like to actually be loved?! Oh wait, nvm, other classes doing that per sec. *shrugs* it was good while it lasted. Ima keep doing as I always have and play with myself as no1 loves me and I will remain a proud pal still because handling sht is just what we do. Le end... The problem is that gladiator got one new skill in the last 2 years and that didn't upgrade our damage. Last set of skill release we got jack sht, we went from being one of the best damage dealing classes to one of the worst Pally went from being one of the worst to one of the best. If they improve gladiator then yes i would love it but we have been stagnant for over 2 years now... Enchy USE to suffer from the same issue but last skill upgrade enchy got a boost that made them just as strong as us and now they got a boost that makes them better than us. You just need to look at our tempest 2 or our pillar 2 to know wha... Oh wait... You cant look at them, we are actually the only class that doesn't have an upgrade to any of our early 200 dmg skills except sin who recently got a damage boost for their bs anyway. You are right if they change it and make gladiator op again then i would really take my time rubbing it in any other classes face because its 2 fking years due to us... The neglect has been real... So tell me, just how long ago was it that ench got m.blade...
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 15:58:53 GMT
The problem is that gladiator got one new skill in the last 2 years and that didn't upgrade our damage. Last set of skill release we got jack sht, we went from being one of the best damage dealing classes to one of the worst Pally went from being one of the worst to one of the best. If they improve gladiator then yes i would love it but we have been stagnant for over 2 years now... Enchy USE to suffer from the same issue but last skill upgrade enchy got a boost that made them just as strong as us and now they got a boost that makes them better than us. You just need to look at our tempest 2 or our pillar 2 to know wha... Oh wait... You cant look at them, we are actually the only class that doesn't have an upgrade to any of our early 200 dmg skills except sin who recently got a damage boost for their bs anyway. You are right if they change it and make gladiator op again then i would really take my time rubbing it in any other classes face because its 2 fking years due to us... The neglect has been real... So tell me, just how long ago was it that ench got m.blade... They got mblade1 at 220 and mblade2 at 320... Oh and they just got a dmg increase on mblade too... We got tempest at 220... Then thats it... Whats your point?
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 16:15:13 GMT
So tell me, just how long ago was it that ench got m.blade... They got mblade1 at 220 and mblade2 at 320... Oh and they just got a dmg increase on mblade too... We got tempest at 220... Then thats it... Whats your point? Which they only just got. After, 2 years or so since m. Blade first came out. Who knows what glad damage will be like if it gets a patch soon as well or for when it gets new skills or upgrades. As it is right now, it still deals higher dps than most oath pallies, has survivability that is comparable to that of a pally (know how hard it is to save for equip and PIE when your sibling millions at a time on pots?!) and still gets more love than a pally. We left looking for chill neglected pps such as monks, enchies or sins to tank for. And as you well know, there are very few of these people out there. These guys only look for bishes however. Apparently pal is useless without a bish (did I mention dumping PIE millions at a time on pots?!!! Like do you know just what an hour solo grind on yarde costs me? Neither do I but it's at least 4 stk of onigiri and 3-4 of yogurt or rev XL)
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 16:28:16 GMT
They got mblade1 at 220 and mblade2 at 320... Oh and they just got a dmg increase on mblade too... We got tempest at 220... Then thats it... Whats your point? Which they only just got. After, 2 years or so since m. Blade first came out. Who knows what glad damage will be like if it gets a patch soon as well or for when it gets new skills or upgrades. As it is right now, it still deals higher dps than most oath pallies, has survivability that is comparable to that of a pally (know how hard it is to save for equip and PIE when your sibling millions at a time on pots?!) and still gets more love than a pally. We left looking for chill neglected pps such as monks, enchies or sins to tank for. And as you well know, there are very few of these people out there. These guys only look for bishes however. Apparently pal is useless without a bish (did I mention dumping PIE millions on pots?!!!) I still dont really get what your point is because enchy has mblade 2 after 2 years like you just said. Well its been 2 years since tempest 1 and we dont have tempest 2... We dont even know if there's even going to be another set of skills released? Has anything been announced? If they will then it will be 3 years since gladiator got tempest. I dont know why you keep mentioning pally because i know about what your saying about pally except needing bish, ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, anis and ouvel without bishop and without dying... But Pally is high maintenance... like i said before... Its end results that count. Doesnt matter how many pots you use, if end result is a dead boss then thats all that counts. Doesn't matter how you get to the end result. Look do you own a gladiator? because i honestly dont take anyone who doesn't own a gladiator seriously in this subject. I've challenged 3 people to make gladiator and see, only 2 did it and i can post the convo i had with one of them just to show you what thinks of gladiator now. If you dont own a gladiator i challenge you to make a level 300 gladiator then we can do this.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 16:34:56 GMT
Which they only just got. After, 2 years or so since m. Blade first came out. Who knows what glad damage will be like if it gets a patch soon as well or for when it gets new skills or upgrades. As it is right now, it still deals higher dps than most oath pallies, has survivability that is comparable to that of a pally (know how hard it is to save for equip and PIE when your sibling millions at a time on pots?!) and still gets more love than a pally. We left looking for chill neglected pps such as monks, enchies or sins to tank for. And as you well know, there are very few of these people out there. These guys only look for bishes however. Apparently pal is useless without a bish (did I mention dumping PIE millions on pots?!!!) I still dont really get what your point is because enchy has mblade 2 after 2 years like you just said. Well its been 2 years since tempest 1 and we dont have tempest 2... We dont even know if there's even going to be another set of skills released? Has anything been announced? If they will then it will be 3 years since gladiator got tempest. I dont know why you keep mentioning pally because i know about what your saying about pally except needing bish, ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, anis and ouvel without bishop and without dying... But Pally is high maintenance... like i said before... Its end results that count. Doesnt matter how many pots you use, if end result is a dead boss then thats all that counts. Doesn't matter how you get to the end result. Look do you own a gladiator? because i honestly dont take anyone who doesn't own a gladiator seriously in this subject. I've challenged 3 people to make gladiator and see, only 2 did it and i can post the convo i had with one of tgem just to show you what thinks of gladiator now. If you dont own a gladiator i challenge you to maje a level 300 gladiator then we can do this. I repeat, pal will still solo those without oath. Look, I don't get what it is you're whining about with glads dps, it's still doing better than pal even though we have oath. Do you own a pal? Could you do the whole nine yards solo as there is just no love? Or did you jump on board the oath ship when it first came out and get level service just to use the skill...
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 16:43:13 GMT
I still dont really get what your point is because enchy has mblade 2 after 2 years like you just said. Well its been 2 years since tempest 1 and we dont have tempest 2... We dont even know if there's even going to be another set of skills released? Has anything been announced? If they will then it will be 3 years since gladiator got tempest. I dont know why you keep mentioning pally because i know about what your saying about pally except needing bish, ive seen pallies solo grapagos, cordal, anis and ouvel without bishop and without dying... But Pally is high maintenance... like i said before... Its end results that count. Doesnt matter how many pots you use, if end result is a dead boss then thats all that counts. Doesn't matter how you get to the end result. Look do you own a gladiator? because i honestly dont take anyone who doesn't own a gladiator seriously in this subject. I've challenged 3 people to make gladiator and see, only 2 did it and i can post the convo i had with one of tgem just to show you what thinks of gladiator now. If you dont own a gladiator i challenge you to maje a level 300 gladiator then we can do this. I repeat, pal will still solo those without oath. Look, I don't get what it is you're whining about with glads dps, it's still doing better than pal even though we have oath. Do you own a pal? Could you do the whole nine yards solo as there is just no love? Or did you jump on board the oath ship when it first came out and get level service just to use the skill... How does gladiator have better dps? Dps = dmg per second... All example im about to give you is with top lvl characters with top level gear. Lets say max dmg gladi hits 160k - 180k depending on boss with tempest. Lets say skill delay is one second. So in 10 seconds thats 1.6m to 1.8m damage (well we know sin can hit over 5m damage within 10 seconds so we defo lose there but we're talking about pal here) Now lets take pally... Unless your some weakass pally your looking at 2 to 3m damage with oath but it takes 10 seconds to trigger... Well thats already more than what gladiator can do. Soooo... Again... I challenge you to make a gladiator and see this for yourself.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 10, 2016 16:49:20 GMT
I repeat, pal will still solo those without oath. Look, I don't get what it is you're whining about with glads dps, it's still doing better than pal even though we have oath. Do you own a pal? Could you do the whole nine yards solo as there is just no love? Or did you jump on board the oath ship when it first came out and get level service just to use the skill... How does gladiator have better dps? Dps = dmg per second... All example im about to give you is with top lvl characters with top level gear. Lets say max dmg gladi hits 160k - 180k depending on boss with tempest. Lets say skill delay is one second. So in 10 seconds thats 1.6m to 1.8m damage (well we know sin can hit over 5m damage within 10 seconds so we defo lose there but we're talking about pal here) Now lets take pally... Unless your some weakass pally your looking at 2 to 3m damage with oath but it takes 10 seconds to trigger... Well thats already more than what gladiator can do. Soooo... Again... I challenge you to make a gladiator and see this for yourself. See that little word most? Yah that's it. Now tell me how many pillows are dealing that kind of damage and how many billions of squillions it has cost to reach that point. Not many right. And some where between a sht load and a PIE ton
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 10, 2016 16:59:06 GMT
How does gladiator have better dps? Dps = dmg per second... All example im about to give you is with top lvl characters with top level gear. Lets say max dmg gladi hits 160k - 180k depending on boss with tempest. Lets say skill delay is one second. So in 10 seconds thats 1.6m to 1.8m damage (well we know sin can hit over 5m damage within 10 seconds so we defo lose there but we're talking about pal here) Now lets take pally... Unless your some weakass pally your looking at 2 to 3m damage with oath but it takes 10 seconds to trigger... Well thats already more than what gladiator can do. Soooo... Again... I challenge you to make a gladiator and see this for yourself. See that little word most? Yah that's it. Now tell me how many pillows are dealing that kind of damage and how many billions of squillions it has cost to reach that point. Not many right. And some where between a sht load and a PIE ton Lol you seem to think that gladiator is cheap... So prepare for a shock here... okay lets talk about making a gladiator that can hit 160k tempest on bosses... Armor: you need ultimi reup... 500+m Add gear: has to have raton on it = 200m Spec: myrica slot/ring of rush slot (both over 1.5b) or cheap option is kgs which is 400m (this is same for pally except ror) Sword: legacy of will = 90m+ for none up. Grapagos costs 200m so thats about 300m Total cost over 2b Then als... Ouvel, gatekeeper, mamonea, sauro and shelk or merario Total cost over 1b... That doesnt include ele swords or other sets... So what is you point? Because to make op gladi is just as expensive as pally... Infact its a bit more expensive because crt% is more expensive than atk%
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