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Post by _ on May 6, 2015 23:25:58 GMT
Iruna Market fluctuates too much like real life. The reason for this is because too many people are in direct contact when trading. An example is this.
Person 1: Sell Vanregal 10m P2: Sell Vanregal 10m P1: Sell Vanregal 9m! P2: Sell Vanregal 7m RUSSSH
And from that point all 100 people in rokoko see vanregal as 7m Instead of the original 10m
Another example is me. The day before the upgrades of Hulam Brut came I bought 5 Hulam Brut for 3.5-4m each. After Ugrades came I sold each one of them for 10m each because that is what people wanted to pay.
If we had a more stable trading system like stalls, stuff like this would never happen. There would not be as much price fluctuation bc no one sees what the other person is selling easily fixed menu>community>groupchat>s. varengal s (1/2 people)> insert price after person answers sure its slower but helps cut down on other people bargaining your item basically |
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Post by Deus on May 6, 2015 23:27:52 GMT
Every economy is affected by supply and demand fluctuating prices.
As more spina enters the economy, 1 spina becomes worth less, so prices increase as people get more purchasing power.
The buyer does hold all the power, but not if the item being sold is rare enough to give the seller all the control: like snow earmuffs only available one month out of twelve. Why its so high.
But the real problem with prices getting so high is the 3rd party ways to get spina. Gpc etc...
I'd sell a hard to get xtal for 50m.
But if I find out do-nothing people are buying 50m for $10...
...I'll sell that same xtal for 100m.
Cause cheaters make spina worthless way faster than normal economic inflation and other factors listed above.
Your bank of 200m means squat when that 2s bscepter is just flat traded for coins/gpc/PayPal/whatever.
Real economies are policed and regulated more or less.
This game has none of this oversight.
It's the wild west and prices are out of control.
Enjoy those 100m normal boss xtals and 15m JoG's. You know it's coming.
Woof
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Post by Jeancarlo on May 6, 2015 23:28:53 GMT
Here you go en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demandP.S. I never saw mezza for 18m either... It's called Supply and Demand, and it's both the Buyer's and the Seller's "fault". Some items, I too am perplexed about (plazuda, I never understood even before Abilities and stat release came out), but at the end of the day, it's because people are willing to "agree" on a price. At the end of the day it's about what people are willing to PAY. price means nothing if there's no one willing to pay the price man come on lol Hence..change in prices are dictated by the BUYER. But that's your opinion. I stated mine. ** one last thing...a seller doesn't agree on any price lol the buyer agrees..if the price isn't ok with the buyer then guess what? They WON'T buy it ..therefore the seller really isn't in control. He/she could slap any price they want on it but if the buyer thinks the price is sh*t then they're not gonna purchase it lol So yeah ..it's the buyer who dictates price. It's not about agreement ..it's about the one purchasing the item and what they are willing to pay. The buyer holds the real power on what prices can be..they just fail to realize that. I'm done on this though..you'll think whatever way you want to lol those that understand how it works will understand what I'm saying. Have a good day. O.O Maybe you didn't read the link I provided, so I'll quote it here. That's not My opinion. That's an Economic Model taught to most high schools and colleges/universities here in the US and other countries. |
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Post by Jeancarlo on May 6, 2015 23:30:26 GMT
Some items, I too am perplexed about (plazuda, I never understood even before Abilities and stat release came out), but at the end of the day, it's because people are will Superior marketing beats superior product. Some people buy not for what a product really does but what other people say It does. Heh, diplomatic way of saying how often a specific type of person is born every minute  |
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Post by omen on May 6, 2015 23:43:06 GMT
At the end of the day it's about what people are willing to PAY. price means nothing if there's no one willing to pay the price man come on lol Hence..change in prices are dictated by the BUYER. But that's your opinion. I stated mine. ** one last thing...a seller doesn't agree on any price lol the buyer agrees..if the price isn't ok with the buyer then guess what? They WON'T buy it ..therefore the seller really isn't in control. He/she could slap any price they want on it but if the buyer thinks the price is sh*t then they're not gonna purchase it lol So yeah ..it's the buyer who dictates price. It's not about agreement ..it's about the one purchasing the item and what they are willing to pay. The buyer holds the real power on what prices can be..they just fail to realize that. I'm done on this though..you'll think whatever way you want to lol those that understand how it works will understand what I'm saying. Have a good day. O.O Maybe you didn't read the link I provided, so I'll quote it here. That's not My opinion. That's an Economic Model taught to most high schools and colleges/universities here in the US and other countries. I don't care what that link says , for the most part yeah it makes sense BUT as I said ..the BUYER is the one making the purchase , if no one bought x product for x price then guess what? They have to lower the price. Or another company/seller will .. Therefore the BUYER holds the "end all/be all" of prices..but they're to complacent and settle for the prices ..at which that link suggests. oh well..I'm done making my point,some will get it..others won't. Have a good day. |
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Post by omen on May 6, 2015 23:50:42 GMT
Every economy is affected by supply and demand fluctuating prices. As more spina enters the economy, 1 spina becomes worth less, so prices increase as people get more purchasing power. The buyer does hold all the power, but not if the item being sold is rare enough to give the seller all the control: like snow earmuffs only available one month out of twelve. Why its so high. But the real problem with prices getting so high is the 3rd party ways to get spina. Gpc etc... I'd sell a hard to get xtal for 50m. But if I find out do-nothing people are buying 50m for $10... ...I'll sell that same xtal for 100m. Cause cheaters make spina worthless way faster than normal economic inflation and other factors listed above. Your bank of 200m means squat when that 2s bscepter is just flat traded for coins/gpc/PayPal/whatever. Real economies are policed and regulated more or less. This game has none of this oversight. It's the wild west and prices are out of control. Enjoy those 100m normal boss xtals and 15m JoG's. You know it's coming. Woof Earmuffs are only worth that much because buyers become complacent and they settle on the price. If people put their foot down and didn't pay that price then the price has to decrease no matter how rare it is. The ONLY reason it's so high is because people have a "I need it now" mentality , so they settle. The buyer can't sell at a price that no one would buy for ..however like I said they do because the buyers settle and don't feel like putting in time to wait. Which concludes my point...buyers truly hold the power..they just don't realize it. |
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Post by omen on May 7, 2015 0:30:42 GMT
^ this is correct and to prevent the" so i should buy vit +1 for 10m" argument: High demand/low supply=high price Low demand/high supply=low price Who would farm ganie if the xtal was 1m? (Ninjas i know >.> but for arguments sake..) That's pretty true..if ganei was 1 mil no one would bother , atm it's 14-15 mil..but, if it came down to people not buying the XTAL then the seller would have to lower. If it was only worth 1 mil and a buyer really wanted it..then they could offer 9 mil and I bet a seller would sell it to them. That 9 mil was a price offered by the buyer and probably not the ideal price of the seller ..so technically (even though some won't agree) the buyer holds the power IF and Only IF they're willing to be patient. The reason why most buyers pay a price now is simply because they're impatient. |
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Post by asteg on May 7, 2015 0:34:40 GMT
Yeah o.o no one farms lesser known rare spawns with low cost drops
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Post by omen on May 7, 2015 0:35:49 GMT
Anyways...op will read all these opinions and see what was said. I've said all I wanted so I'm out of here lol with that said ..buying/selling sucks ..have a great day op and those posting  |
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Post by asteg on May 7, 2015 0:36:29 GMT
For some reason i read the thread as "pieces of iruna"... I was like @_@ d**m it who broke iruna this time??
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 7, 2015 1:45:32 GMT
That's pretty true..if ganei was 1 mil no one would bother , atm it's 14-15 mil..but, if it came down to people not buying the XTAL then the seller would have to lower. If it was only worth 1 mil and a buyer really wanted it..then they could offer 9 mil and I bet a seller would sell it to them. That 9 mil was a price offered by the buyer and probably not the ideal price of the seller ..so technically (even though some won't agree) the buyer holds the power IF and Only IF they're willing to be patient. The reason why most buyers pay a price now is simply because they're impatient. well if you look at it on the sellers side: Buyer offers 1m,Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 5m Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 9m Seller says: Ok, I'll farm it for you It doesn't look like the buyer has any power when it is the seller who decides when to sell. But in reality, nobody has monopoly power because it is a free market. Buying stuff now isn't really being impatient. You can be patient and buy tomorrow but by the time you have the item it is already mediocre because there are other better gears that are out, which kinda defeats the purpose of you getting better gears. People who don't have much spina end up with mediocre gears which leads to mediocre levels and mediocre farms due to lack of capability. People who have spina get good gears and end up with good levels which leads to good farms due to increase in capability. You wouldn't want to have your first Ganei 3 years from now would you? |
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Post by omen on May 7, 2015 2:18:55 GMT
That's pretty true..if ganei was 1 mil no one would bother , atm it's 14-15 mil..but, if it came down to people not buying the XTAL then the seller would have to lower. If it was only worth 1 mil and a buyer really wanted it..then they could offer 9 mil and I bet a seller would sell it to them. That 9 mil was a price offered by the buyer and probably not the ideal price of the seller ..so technically (even though some won't agree) the buyer holds the power IF and Only IF they're willing to be patient. The reason why most buyers pay a price now is simply because they're impatient. well if you look at it on the sellers side: Buyer offers 1m,Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 5m Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 9m Seller says: Ok, I'll farm it for you It doesn't look like the buyer has any power when it is the seller who decides when to sell. But in reality, nobody has monopoly power because it is a free market. Buying stuff now isn't really being impatient. You can be patient and buy tomorrow but by the time you have the item it is already mediocre because there are other better gears that are out, which kinda defeats the purpose of you getting better gears. People who don't have much spina end up with mediocre gears which leads to mediocre levels and mediocre farms due to lack of capability. People who have spina get good gears and end up with good levels which leads to good farms due to increase in capability. You wouldn't want to have your first Ganei 3 years from now would you? No, I understand what you mean and I get it lol all I meant is in theory a buyer would have more power if they're willing to forgo " I need it now" ..I don't expect that to ever happen, not would I personally wait that long ..the bottom line is prices will be whatever ppl mane them to be..all I was doing was stating a theory. One of which will really never happen. My view was just that the buyer really is the one doing the paying. Anyone can set any price as long as there's someone willing to pay. the buyer is giving the cash ..the seller supplies the item..if a buyer doesn't pay then they still have the cash which can be used to purchase other things..if a seller can't sell an item then all they have is an item that can't be used to purchase other items. that's all I meant ..I really can't explain it much more than I already have without using visual examples of which I can't. So...my opinion/view is my own, just a theory..nothing to be taken too serious. Have a great day next time I'll refrain from stating personal opinions on this forum. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 7, 2015 2:52:54 GMT
well if you look at it on the sellers side: Buyer offers 1m,Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 5m Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 9m Seller says: Ok, I'll farm it for you It doesn't look like the buyer has any power when it is the seller who decides when to sell. But in reality, nobody has monopoly power because it is a free market. Buying stuff now isn't really being impatient. You can be patient and buy tomorrow but by the time you have the item it is already mediocre because there are other better gears that are out, which kinda defeats the purpose of you getting better gears. People who don't have much spina end up with mediocre gears which leads to mediocre levels and mediocre farms due to lack of capability. People who have spina get good gears and end up with good levels which leads to good farms due to increase in capability. You wouldn't want to have your first Ganei 3 years from now would you? No, I understand what you mean and I get it lol all I meant is in theory a buyer would have more power if they're willing to forgo " I need it now" ..I don't expect that to ever happen, not would I personally wait that long ..the bottom line is prices will be whatever ppl mane them to be..all I was doing was stating a theory. One of which will really never happen. My view was just that the buyer really is the one doing the paying. Anyone can set any price as long as there's someone willing to pay. the buyer is giving the cash ..the seller supplies the item..if a buyer doesn't pay then they still have the cash which can be used to purchase other things..if a seller can't sell an item then all they have is an item that can't be used to purchase other items. that's all I meant ..I really can't explain it much more than I already have without using visual examples of which I can't. So...my opinion/view is my own, just a theory..nothing to be taken too serious. Have a great day next time I'll refrain from stating personal opinions on this forum. no need to refrain stating personal opinions. i find these types of arguments healthy for the better enlightenment of everybody. i'm just trying to show my point on why people are still willing to spend more when they can spend less and their trade offs which also affects the market. it's a fairly complex thing so it is quite hard to explain my point in as much as you have a hard time explaining your point. |
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Post by asteg on May 7, 2015 3:20:19 GMT
\^Δ^/ opinions' we all have em. Ish oki to share..unless its a std...then keep it tf to yourself ^_^
Its really just the seller selling for what the buyer buys...we've all been kicked out of a group after a seller says "offer" and we low ball..and we've all (im hoping otherwise i sound mean..) Kicked ppl that low ball out of a group.
If yout selling v.blow for 5m and no one buys cuz its only worth 3m then sooner or later your gonna drop the price to 3m.
Like ultumi, it waz 20m..then ppl stoped buying the sets after they realized buying the mats separately was cheaper..so thr price droped. Thats a perfect example of: supply and demand (after demand lowered the price droped), and buyer is in control (no one was buying op anymore) methods (b ™^™)b
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Post by jamesdark on May 7, 2015 6:45:20 GMT
That's pretty true..if ganei was 1 mil no one would bother , atm it's 14-15 mil..but, if it came down to people not buying the XTAL then the seller would have to lower. If it was only worth 1 mil and a buyer really wanted it..then they could offer 9 mil and I bet a seller would sell it to them. That 9 mil was a price offered by the buyer and probably not the ideal price of the seller ..so technically (even though some won't agree) the buyer holds the power IF and Only IF they're willing to be patient. The reason why most buyers pay a price now is simply because they're impatient. well if you look at it on the sellers side: Buyer offers 1m,Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 5m Seller says: Go farm it yourself Buyer offers 9m Seller says: Ok, I'll farm it for you It doesn't look like the buyer has any power when it is the seller who decides when to sell. But in reality, nobody has monopoly power because it is a free market. Buying stuff now isn't really being impatient. You can be patient and buy tomorrow but by the time you have the item it is already mediocre because there are other better gears that are out, which kinda defeats the purpose of you getting better gears. People who don't have much spina end up with mediocre gears which leads to mediocre levels and mediocre farms due to lack of capability. People who have spina get good gears and end up with good levels which leads to good farms due to increase in capability. You wouldn't want to have your first Ganei 3 years from now would you? kinda true but its mainly all down to greed eg ganie at one point was 32-40m dropped to 25m now 14-15m and coughs I sold em 10m cuz and again (cough) <----- not greedy √ |
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