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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 11, 2015 0:42:48 GMT
My damage set leaves me at 30k HP unbuffed and 40-50k consistent damage no shennanigans. Damage set. Just wondering, have you over capped VIT or is that just your stat with 256 VIT? I'm level 259 with 220 VIT and I'm nowhere near that HP xD not sure what I'm realistically working towards with max VIT He's definitely overcapped lol. I have 21-22k or something HP with 257 VIT. 30k sounds almost exactly right for overcapped VIT.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Mar 11, 2015 1:36:54 GMT
for this aspect, hats up to you. you think deep. if she love dying, its her choice entirely. even sniper die easy yet do good damage so different build do serve differently. dont kill her with fire just because she choose to deal damage instead of tanking. Perhaps you should try not to be so emotionally involved. This doesn't add anything to the discussion which is pretty much: "what is the best build for Magic Blade Spam that you can think of". Magic Blade spam involves a huge amount of hate building. This cannot be avoided unless a user focusses on minus hate% gear, which then makes the build pointless as you'd lack DPS anyway. This is a valid point being raised by all. DPS is an interesting area to look at too, but not the only area to consider when discussing different builds. That said, it is completely reasonable for people here to question the lack of survivability in this thread. People are sharing their ideas so that others can criticise (that is not a negative word) and suggest improvements. That is the point of the discussion. Of course people may prefer to focus on high damage or DPS output and that may work for you, but we are all well within our rights to question this in this thread for our own use. We are looking for the best over all ideas to share with one another to advise others on what to work towards. I advise you to take this to a "best m blade damage" thread if you wish to discuss the damage numbers in that video, without the valid criticism you will receive here of the potential lack of survivability - one of the most important factors in a general M Blade build. Mili is quite clearly not shooting anyone down in fire, it seems that the post was more in agreement with what you were saying, but just adding another perspective to it. Some people get so defensive! I wont bother since its not my damage anyway so idc but did you see how much hate they put in their "ideas".
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JunJunPow
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Are we gonna ride the sun home?
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 11, 2015 1:45:34 GMT
My damage set leaves me at 30k HP unbuffed and 40-50k consistent damage no shennanigans. Damage set. Just wondering, have you over capped VIT or is that just your stat with 256 VIT? I'm level 259 with 220 VIT and I'm nowhere near that HP xD not sure what I'm realistically working towards with max VIT Yes I overcapped VIT. 25k HP should be enough on most bosses anyway, i just pushed it too far because of Raton and Almas lol. Here are screenies: First one is unbuffed, second is Tank set and third with Magic Barrier buff.
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JunJunPow
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 11, 2015 1:47:54 GMT
I wont bother since its not my damage anyway so idc but did you see how much hate they put in their "ideas".
Can't blame you if you can't differentiate between hating and stating facts. Pretty hard to understand everything when you're blinded by your emotions.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 11, 2015 2:00:17 GMT
Just wondering, have you over capped VIT or is that just your stat with 256 VIT? I'm level 259 with 220 VIT and I'm nowhere near that HP xD not sure what I'm realistically working towards with max VIT Yes I overcapped VIT. 25k HP should be enough on most bosses anyway, i just pushed it too far because of Raton and Almas lol. Here are screenies: First one is unbuffed, second is Tank set and third with Magic Barrier buff. Holy cow! Makes me want to actually start working on VIT again even more haha. 32.5k in DPS gear is even enough for most bosses by itself lol. 67k is definitely way more than enough at this point haha. I have about 40-45k in tank gear and every boss is already pretty easy to tank lol. With that much I could just be lazy haha.
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 11, 2015 2:29:50 GMT
Holy cow! Makes me want to actually start working on VIT again even more haha. 32.5k in DPS gear is even enough for most bosses by itself lol. 67k is definitely way more than enough at this point haha. I have about 40-45k in tank gear and every boss is already pretty easy to tank lol. With that much I could just be lazy haha. Lol, yeah it's kinda me being just lazy I would not recommend overcapping VIT though, because as stated before i mainly built this for soloing purposes and DPS will be mediocre. 40-45k HP is enough and more DPS is always good.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 11, 2015 3:02:22 GMT
Holy cow! Makes me want to actually start working on VIT again even more haha. 32.5k in DPS gear is even enough for most bosses by itself lol. 67k is definitely way more than enough at this point haha. I have about 40-45k in tank gear and every boss is already pretty easy to tank lol. With that much I could just be lazy haha. Lol, yeah it's kinda me being just lazy I would not recommend overcapping VIT though, because as stated before i mainly built this for soloing purposes and DPS will be mediocre. 40-45k HP is enough and more DPS is always good. Meh STR is barely a DPS increase anyways xD, same with DEX. I'm already near cap on INT which is the only real big dps increase. There also might be harder stuff down the road.
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Post by syerin on Mar 11, 2015 3:27:54 GMT
syerin here.
thank you for all supports. i know im useless so i'm not going to argue. just wanted to justify why i pick this build and why i love being able to die every second.
-people dont know me mainly because i dont talk much even to guildies so i beg people to not judge me. with that said, dont call me a player. call me playerS. i farm in pair with a friend bishop (Starrya is a nice bishop) and we are great. even without survival, we farm all bosses. yep. All of available bosses. its not a show-off. its a fact that we are still capable of doing such.
-people who know me knows how much i love to lvl myself (explains why all my damage vid is dealt to lvling mobs). i need damage so i kill before being killed. i have no difficulties with nommar hitting hard because with fire origin, i still do 50k+. below average. okay i am useless but that's enough for me so dont tell me im useless any further because i already admit that.
-i know Junjunpow hates me for the person i am based on previous thread when i was still here and i cant explain or figure out why. i'll consider myself a sh!tty player.
-i love damage. i build my char for damage because i'm sick of being another tank enchanter. Manakhe knows this. i break the taboo and love being weak while others keep sharpening their edges.
-Miligrito, thanks for supporting me. i'm not the party player you hoped for but yet, i never use damage set in party so my survival is clear of your concern. i had to say this, we are old here. and behaving like an old player, i know how to survive with my build too. i can have 30k HP with only overcapped INT. yes, adel mask. i will try not to burden your party if you ever forced to party me..
-read this. "i love death". i love dying a lot. it reminds me of how weak i was, how hopeless other classes beyond solo region feel because i have a minstrel. i do this on purpose. but, being weak without damage wont lvl me so i built a damage dealer. damage gear is only for lvling & farming alone. i wont use it in party so you wont see anything extraordinary from me in party.
-Lilac, forget my CRT. its not suitable here. and that video, i see enchanter's feel insulted with damage build so i suggest you put it down. dont post any video about that horribly stupid enchanter.
dont argue over my vid. like Junjunpow said, even he can do the same damage as me or even transcend it. my weapon xstal only cost 2m so you get the idea of how incapable i am. i cant even afford a Year-End Sale Gerust xstal and based on his old post that i still remember, he has a 2s amulet so he's way more capable of gearing up than me.
thank you. -syerin-
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 11, 2015 5:05:44 GMT
syerin here. thank you for all supports. i know im useless so i'm not going to argue. just wanted to justify why i pick this build and why i love being able to die every second. -people dont know me mainly because i dont talk much even to guildies so i beg people to not judge me. with that said, dont call me a player. call me playerS. i farm in pair with a friend bishop (Starrya is a nice bishop) and we are great. even without survival, we farm all bosses. yep. All of available bosses. its not a show-off. its a fact that we are still capable of doing such. -people who know me knows how much i love to lvl myself (explains why all my damage vid is dealt to lvling mobs). i need damage so i kill before being killed. i have no difficulties with nommar hitting hard because with fire origin, i still do 50k+. below average. okay i am useless but that's enough for me so dont tell me im useless any further because i already admit that. -i know Junjunpow hates me for the person i am based on previous thread when i was still here and i cant explain or figure out why. i'll consider myself a sh!tty player. -i love damage. i build my char for damage because i'm sick of being another tank enchanter. Manakhe knows this. i break the taboo and love being weak while others keep sharpening their edges. -Miligrito, thanks for supporting me. i'm not the party player you hoped for but yet, i never use damage set in party so my survival is clear of your concern. i had to say this, we are old here. and behaving like an old player, i know how to survive with my build too. i can have 30k HP with only overcapped INT. yes, adel mask. i will try not to burden your party if you ever forced to party me.. -read this. "i love death". i love dying a lot. it reminds me of how weak i was, how hopeless other classes beyond solo region feel because i have a minstrel. i do this on purpose. but, being weak without damage wont lvl me so i built a damage dealer. damage gear is only for lvling & farming alone. i wont use it in party so you wont see anything extraordinary from me in party. -Lilac, forget my CRT. its not suitable here. and that video, i see enchanter's feel insulted with damage build so i suggest you put it down. dont post any video about that horribly stupid enchanter. dont argue over my vid. like Junjunpow said, even he can do the same damage as me or even transcend it. my weapon xstal only cost 2m so you get the idea of how incapable i am. i cant even afford a Year-End Sale Gerust xstal and based on his old post that i still remember, he has a 2s amulet so he's way more capable of gearing up than me. thank you. -syerin- Nah you aren't useless No one was saying you are xD. I know, and you know of course since you admit it, that a pure DPS build isn't optimal for Enchanter, but it can still work alright. 30k+ HP is plenty for probably everything on Enchanter. More is just derpy Bishop proof haha. Starrya is probably one of those really good Bishops xD. I don't remember partying with her though. But seriously with an Enchanter you don't even need Res spam on almost all bosses lol so as long as they actually heal you it's fine haha.
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Post by bob on Mar 11, 2015 6:51:55 GMT
Talking bout thy M blade set *^* : What do you guys think bout this?
Sorciere bow slot gerust Ultimi moldus Viola shield Vida Thimble mezza.
I've been told that sorciere bow has - 1,5 sec delay (?) but I'm not 100% sure as I've never had one -3- but for the M blade chanter who tested magic bow, what do you think bout this? :-)
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Post by Rascally on Mar 11, 2015 8:37:23 GMT
syerin here. thank you for all supports. i know im useless so i'm not going to argue. just wanted to justify why i pick this build and why i love being able to die every second. -people dont know me mainly because i dont talk much even to guildies so i beg people to not judge me. with that said, dont call me a player. call me playerS. i farm in pair with a friend bishop (Starrya is a nice bishop) and we are great. even without survival, we farm all bosses. yep. All of available bosses. its not a show-off. its a fact that we are still capable of doing such. -people who know me knows how much i love to lvl myself (explains why all my damage vid is dealt to lvling mobs). i need damage so i kill before being killed. i have no difficulties with nommar hitting hard because with fire origin, i still do 50k+. below average. okay i am useless but that's enough for me so dont tell me im useless any further because i already admit that. -i know Junjunpow hates me for the person i am based on previous thread when i was still here and i cant explain or figure out why. i'll consider myself a sh!tty player. -i love damage. i build my char for damage because i'm sick of being another tank enchanter. Manakhe knows this. i break the taboo and love being weak while others keep sharpening their edges. -Miligrito, thanks for supporting me. i'm not the party player you hoped for but yet, i never use damage set in party so my survival is clear of your concern. i had to say this, we are old here. and behaving like an old player, i know how to survive with my build too. i can have 30k HP with only overcapped INT. yes, adel mask. i will try not to burden your party if you ever forced to party me.. -read this. "i love death". i love dying a lot. it reminds me of how weak i was, how hopeless other classes beyond solo region feel because i have a minstrel. i do this on purpose. but, being weak without damage wont lvl me so i built a damage dealer. damage gear is only for lvling & farming alone. i wont use it in party so you wont see anything extraordinary from me in party. -Lilac, forget my CRT. its not suitable here. and that video, i see enchanter's feel insulted with damage build so i suggest you put it down. dont post any video about that horribly stupid enchanter. dont argue over my vid. like Junjunpow said, even he can do the same damage as me or even transcend it. my weapon xstal only cost 2m so you get the idea of how incapable i am. i cant even afford a Year-End Sale Gerust xstal and based on his old post that i still remember, he has a 2s amulet so he's way more capable of gearing up than me. thank you. -syerin- I also duo with my minstrel at nommar (with dream and wisdom) so this all makes sense to me. Except I use water origin so I suppose that's a little different. And of course that works just fine for grinding and if you like grinding (as I do), then that's great. But I don't often farm bosses because I still find I can't tank the really harder hitting bosses effectively cos my gear sucks. And I find it a bit boring. I'm still an übernubchanter extraordinaire so I'm interested in all types of builds. But like I said, we can still discuss down sides and no one was being nasty towards your build, that was just the way one person mistakenly saw it as. I think people were trying to work out whether they themselves could handle a pure damage build within their own play styles. What would the difficulties with this be? Would it work for me? Could I tank? Can I play in a party? For the rest of us, we weren't calling you useless or even saying your idea was rubbish or anything, I think this was Lilac getting confused with other peoples perspectives and putting words in our mouths that no one had said. At the end of the day it's just a game and none of it really matters. Clearly no one feels insulted. o.o I would like to hit with that sort of damage but I know is realistically never be able to until the level cap is raised much higher, because my build is different. Do you use Exelis with adel mask for farming so you can still keep -1 second hate?
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Post by Rascally on Mar 11, 2015 9:00:24 GMT
Just wondering, have you over capped VIT or is that just your stat with 256 VIT? I'm level 259 with 220 VIT and I'm nowhere near that HP xD not sure what I'm realistically working towards with max VIT Yes I overcapped VIT. 25k HP should be enough on most bosses anyway, i just pushed it too far because of Raton and Almas lol. Here are screenies: First one is unbuffed, second is Tank set and third with Magic Barrier buff. o.o nice! Thanks for sharing your screenies
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 11, 2015 16:56:46 GMT
Talking bout thy M blade set *^* : What do you guys think bout this? Sorciere bow slot gerust Ultimi moldus Viola shield Vida Thimble mezza. I've been told that sorciere bow has - 1,5 sec delay (?) but I'm not 100% sure as I've never had one -3- but for the M blade chanter who tested magic bow, what do you think bout this? :-) It has -.5 seconds. While thats enough for the -1 sec requirement without I don't know if this setup would do anywhere near as much as one with Dia Espada for a couple reasons. 1)Overcapping INT is the #1 priority as it boosts ATK by the most and also boosts MATK by the most(by a ton actually lol). So This setup would only get that DEX advantage really when you cap both INT and DEX which is a long grind. 2)Thimble slot costs a lot when you could have skipped it and used Dia Espada for better results. 3)It's better to focus on either ATK or MATK not both(however do take into account both stats, just focus on 1) A cheaper setup that would do a good bit more damage would be: Dia Espada(cheap MATK xtal or Kaiser 2), Mercure/Barbarotita(Ushilith or other MATK xtals, Vida if you must), Ultimi(Moldus), and Dragonewt Bangle(Mezza). Highest damage setup currently is probably Dia Espada Kaiser 2, Mercure Ushilith, Heinrich Mail Moldus, and something with Mezza).
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Post by syerin on Mar 11, 2015 17:14:41 GMT
i'm relieved that my build is said to die easy. i dislike having clone somewhere in game. since i am weak, i hope nobody will build anything like me and keep me unique & useless.
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Post by Rascally on Mar 11, 2015 18:56:22 GMT
Well now it's just getting silly.
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