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Post by Mahouko on Feb 22, 2015 8:02:28 GMT
I think the best two sets are: Dia Espada UP Kaiser II Glory Cape Ushilith Excelis Re UP or Ultimi Moldus Special Equip with Mezzaluna and Dia Espada UP Kaiser II Mercure Ushilith Heinrich Moldus Special Equip Mezzaluna Kind of just preference really. I think the 2nd one hits slightly harder but I personally prefer the first one. As for ATK vs MATK, you can get MUCH bigger bonuses towards MATK than ATK at the moment and there's Spell Boost. Couple that with the fact that MATK will clearly win if you aren't using an opposing Origin, which you probably won't be doing on a lot of bosses. I'm using the second setup, except I'm using new add from smithing (7% atk, -.5 delay) instead of mercure. It's two more prod cap ups away, but I'm looking forward to Sorc bow up + Thimble Mezza. Also, new alch add is better than glory cape dmg wise (has -something), assuming your int is high enough.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Mar 7, 2015 15:25:11 GMT
saw 37k + 46k per hit
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 8, 2015 0:56:31 GMT
That seems incredibly unlikely outside of inconsistent gimmicky things like Yellow Candy Bag for shell break and such. Even the very well geared Enchanters I've seen don't even come close to that. I'd imagine like...20k+35-40k being doable maybe but definitely not those numbers without something weird happening.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Mar 8, 2015 1:41:02 GMT
That seems incredibly unlikely outside of inconsistent gimmicky things like Yellow Candy Bag for shell break and such. Even the very well geared Enchanters I've seen don't even come close to that. I'd imagine like...20k+35-40k being doable maybe but definitely not those numbers without something weird happening.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 8, 2015 2:31:59 GMT
That seems incredibly unlikely outside of inconsistent gimmicky things like Yellow Candy Bag for shell break and such. Even the very well geared Enchanters I've seen don't even come close to that. I'd imagine like...20k+35-40k being doable maybe but definitely not those numbers without something weird happening. I would consider Qadal+Ignition at the same time a weird gimmicky thing as neither can be used for a long time or often.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Mar 8, 2015 3:21:59 GMT
I would consider Qadal+Ignition at the same time a weird gimmicky thing as neither can be used for a long time or often. so taking that to practice, lets all eliminate the use of spellboost. its gimmicky. qadal is enchanter's buff so its totally legit imo. you dont ask for it. you are blessed with it. as her damage is common, now im expecting the same from other enchanters.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 8, 2015 6:58:20 GMT
Spellboost:Can be kept up at all times, easily maintained as well. I personally choose not to bother with it though since it doesn't make a huge difference. It isn't bad to include it with the numbers you can hit. Maybe saying with or without spell boost would be good though
Qadal+Ignition: Can be kept up at a teeny tiny % of time you are playing. It's an Enchanter skill but only for seeing pretty numbers rarely and doesn't really affect Enchanter DPS at all. Also with the time it takes to cast Qadal(I know its fast but not as fast as Mblade) it would barely even be worth it if there wasn't the Magic Overheat stuff. I'm also pretty sure no one is including these 2 without specifically saying it
Basically it's nice to look at but doesn't really matter at all in terms of Chanter DPS. I wouldn't expect that damage from hardly anyone since most Enchanters don't even bother with Qadal at all. Most don't mention their damage with Ignition either. A lot don't even bother with Spellboost either to be honest but a lot more do than Qadal.
The numbers I'm expecting to see from more well geared Enchanters are 20-25k + 35-40k with Spell Boost as most build more to the magical side.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Mar 8, 2015 12:56:14 GMT
Spellboost:Can be kept up at all times, easily maintained as well. I personally choose not to bother with it though since it doesn't make a huge difference. It isn't bad to include it with the numbers you can hit. Maybe saying with or without spell boost would be good though Qadal+Ignition: Can be kept up at a teeny tiny % of time you are playing. It's an Enchanter skill but only for seeing pretty numbers rarely and doesn't really affect Enchanter DPS at all. Also with the time it takes to cast Qadal(I know its fast but not as fast as Mblade) it would barely even be worth it if there wasn't the Magic Overheat stuff. I'm also pretty sure no one is including these 2 without specifically saying it Basically it's nice to look at but doesn't really matter at all in terms of Chanter DPS. I wouldn't expect that damage from hardly anyone since most Enchanters don't even bother with Qadal at all. Most don't mention their damage with Ignition either. A lot don't even bother with Spellboost either to be honest but a lot more do than Qadal. The numbers I'm expecting to see from more well geared Enchanters are 20-25k + 35-40k with Spell Boost as most build more to the magical side. show me yours. special status aside, she still do 30k+40k after qadal buff ends. spellboost & apostolia. so where do you get 20-25k + 35-40k figure from?
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 8, 2015 17:06:38 GMT
Spellboost:Can be kept up at all times, easily maintained as well. I personally choose not to bother with it though since it doesn't make a huge difference. It isn't bad to include it with the numbers you can hit. Maybe saying with or without spell boost would be good though Qadal+Ignition: Can be kept up at a teeny tiny % of time you are playing. It's an Enchanter skill but only for seeing pretty numbers rarely and doesn't really affect Enchanter DPS at all. Also with the time it takes to cast Qadal(I know its fast but not as fast as Mblade) it would barely even be worth it if there wasn't the Magic Overheat stuff. I'm also pretty sure no one is including these 2 without specifically saying it Basically it's nice to look at but doesn't really matter at all in terms of Chanter DPS. I wouldn't expect that damage from hardly anyone since most Enchanters don't even bother with Qadal at all. Most don't mention their damage with Ignition either. A lot don't even bother with Spellboost either to be honest but a lot more do than Qadal. The numbers I'm expecting to see from more well geared Enchanters are 20-25k + 35-40k with Spell Boost as most build more to the magical side. show me yours. special status aside, she still do 30k+40k after qadal buff ends. spellboost & apostolia. so where do you get 20-25k + 35-40k figure from? I do 24k +31k. For some reason my phone decided not to save the screen shots I took lol so I will put one up later lol. This was with Spell Boost+Ignition. There are a couple reasons for her damage being so high with Ignition though. Main reason is Throwing Ignition is ridiculous. 20% ATK and MATK. I use Sword so mine is only 15% ATK. Also my gear isn't the best and I haven't finished capping INT(pretty close though). She was doing 34k+40k. If you take away Ignition only.... That would be 34k/1.2 and 40k/1.2. Obviously not exact but pretty close especially since Nommars have poop defenses. So without Ignition she is probably doing 28k+33k with Spell Boost. Since she is using Wicktrace the melee part will do more and the magic part will do less than someone using Dia Espada. That's pretty close to what I was guessing is the limit and I'm pretty sure she is near the limit.
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JunJunPow
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 9, 2015 2:53:08 GMT
Cool, now let's see how many hits she can take from bosses.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 9, 2015 6:01:32 GMT
Cool, now let's see how many hits she can take from bosses. I remember her In a party one time and she was able to do her dps In a distance, mp the whole team after delete. It was a fast smooth grind overall so I dont see why taking hits Is necessary.
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Post by Raika on Mar 9, 2015 6:08:28 GMT
I think the best two sets are: Dia Espada UP Kaiser II Glory Cape Ushilith Excelis Re UP or Ultimi Moldus Special Equip with Mezzaluna and Dia Espada UP Kaiser II Mercure Ushilith Heinrich Moldus Special Equip Mezzaluna Kind of just preference really. I think the 2nd one hits slightly harder but I personally prefer the first one. As for ATK vs MATK, you can get MUCH bigger bonuses towards MATK than ATK at the moment and there's Spell Boost. Couple that with the fact that MATK will clearly win if you aren't using an opposing Origin, which you probably won't be doing on a lot of bosses. Mana!! Mine is the same except I sort of want to try magonza on ultimi or another exe re up just to see the damage difference. What do you think?
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 9, 2015 6:16:33 GMT
Cool, now let's see how many hits she can take from bosses. I remember her In a party one time and she was able to do her dps In a distance, mp the whole team after delete. It was a fast smooth grind overall so I dont see why taking hits Is necessary. She either wasn't Magic Blade spam or wasn't really dpsing if she was at a distance since Magic Blade is melee no matter what. Also Magic Blade spam gets tons of hate and if you purely spamming at max speed without needing stoneskin you will likely steal and keep hate from a Paladin. Mblade Spam with Stoneskin spam=Pally Hate. Mblade spam without Stoneskin>Pally hate However stoneskin is usually spammed anyways.
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JunJunPow
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Are we gonna ride the sun home?
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 9, 2015 6:19:24 GMT
Cool, now let's see how many hits she can take from bosses. I remember her In a party one time and she was able to do her dps In a distance, mp the whole team after delete. It was a fast smooth grind overall so I dont see why taking hits Is necessary. Well for one MB spam generates a lot of hate, especially at that DPS. Either she's using -hate on gear or you have a pally hate eater on party, which i see you are one. Hell if an MB spam build was all about DPS i'd do the same too, max INT/DEX/STR on throwing and forget all about survivability. But if she were, say to solo or be at a party with average to poorly geared PTs, will she be able to take hits? Not all chanters have the luxury of having great party members and surely at one point an MB spammer will have to tank.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 9, 2015 7:05:22 GMT
I think the best two sets are: Dia Espada UP Kaiser II Glory Cape Ushilith Excelis Re UP or Ultimi Moldus Special Equip with Mezzaluna and Dia Espada UP Kaiser II Mercure Ushilith Heinrich Moldus Special Equip Mezzaluna Kind of just preference really. I think the 2nd one hits slightly harder but I personally prefer the first one. As for ATK vs MATK, you can get MUCH bigger bonuses towards MATK than ATK at the moment and there's Spell Boost. Couple that with the fact that MATK will clearly win if you aren't using an opposing Origin, which you probably won't be doing on a lot of bosses. Mana!! Mine is the same except I sort of want to try magonza on ultimi or another exe re up just to see the damage difference. What do you think? Ultimi Magonza would be 6% MATK and 9% ATK while Excelis Reup Moldus is 3% ATK and 17% MATK. Overall with Dia Espada I think it's better to focus on MATK overall. Wicktrace is good if you want to focus on ATK.
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