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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 9, 2015 10:11:48 GMT
I remember her In a party one time and she was able to do her dps In a distance, mp the whole team after delete. It was a fast smooth grind overall so I dont see why taking hits Is necessary. Well for one MB spam generates a lot of hate, especially at that DPS. Either she's using -hate on gear or you have a pally hate eater on party, which i see you are one. Hell if an MB spam build was all about DPS i'd do the same too, max INT/DEX/STR on throwing and forget all about survivability. But if she were, say to solo or be at a party with average to poorly geared PTs, will she be able to take hits? Not all chanters have the luxury of having great party members and surely at one point an MB spammer will have to tank. Oh ok. I didn't know she were INT/DEX/STR, I just assumed she was overcapped. Yeah, that build might be a little hard to handle.
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Post by lilac on Mar 10, 2015 2:06:53 GMT
Well for one MB spam generates a lot of hate, especially at that DPS. Either she's using -hate on gear or you have a pally hate eater on party, which i see you are one. Hell if an MB spam build was all about DPS i'd do the same too, max INT/DEX/STR on throwing and forget all about survivability. But if she were, say to solo or be at a party with average to poorly geared PTs, will she be able to take hits? Not all chanters have the luxury of having great party members and surely at one point an MB spammer will have to tank. Oh ok. I didn't know she were INT/DEX/STR, I just assumed she was overcapped. Yeah, that build might be a little hard to handle. sorry to quote you for this. you know this point but probably missed it. I know you're better knowledgeable than *ehem* some here.
why would anyone use damage set to tank bosses if they can just use tank set?
*btw, she helped me on my mq. sianas slaps her pretty nicely but still its just another 5 hits away so I call that better than what these guys suggest with assumption.*
I don't think she's INT>DEX>STR as she once mention about Schwartz and her CRT dmg while im busy selling gerust.
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Post by lilac on Mar 10, 2015 2:14:44 GMT
Cool, now let's see how many hits she can take from bosses. who mention taking hit as a topic here? she deals damage? so she sucks big time tanking. same to you. you're tanking? so you sucks bit time at dealing damage. you are not someone who set the standard.
if she decided that she want to deal damage why should you be commenting this jealousy words about tanking which she aren't interested in?
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 10, 2015 2:53:42 GMT
Cool, now let's see how many hits she can take from bosses. who mention taking hit as a topic here? she deals damage? so she sucks big time tanking. same to you. you're tanking? so you sucks bit time at dealing damage. you are not someone who set the standard.
if she decided that she want to deal damage why should you be commenting this jealousy words about tanking which she aren't interested in?
I don't know how you're related to her, probably you are even the owner of this toon. Clearly you're missing one big point here: MB's hate generation. No offense, but when chanters switched to MB spam they almost assume semi-tank role due to the fact that THEY WILL STEAL HATE ALL THE TIME. It is not a standard i set, it is a game mechanic that she has to face every time she spams MB. It could have been so easy going for the same build if MB was like sin's backstab or snip's AR. If that's how she/you(?) want to play her MB then by all means go. But talking of it as if it is ideal, i wouldn't agree. And oh, the jelly thing. She might own on normal mobs with 70-90k DPS, if that is her only goal then she has gained it. My goal has always been to solo bosses and Almas is the only thing i can't atm. I don't think hitting on puny mobs is something i should be jealous of.
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 10, 2015 4:17:42 GMT
Oh ok. I didn't know she were INT/DEX/STR, I just assumed she was overcapped. Yeah, that build might be a little hard to handle. sorry to quote you for this. you know this point but probably missed it. I know you're better knowledgeable than *ehem* some here.
why would anyone use damage set to tank bosses if they can just use tank set?
*btw, she helped me on my mq. sianas slaps her pretty nicely but still its just another 5 hits away so I call that better than what these guys suggest with assumption.*
I don't think she's INT>DEX>STR as she once mention about Schwartz and her CRT dmg while im busy selling gerust.
Since you go about undermining everyone's experience in defense of this particular toon, maybe it's time you go chanter so you'd know what we talk about instead of implying that we(me) are "less knowledgeable". My damage set leaves me at 30k HP unbuffed and 40-50k consistent damage no shennanigans. Damage set. 7k base hp on full hp 5-slot set will get you probably 20k tops and drastically lowering your damage output to, what, 40-50k tops? Guessing even 30k here. 20k HP i tell you isn't enough to tank, especially without def. Need MQ help on sianas? I would do that with my low-dps-less-knowledgeable-build ten times over without dying. Wicktrace + schwartz + base crit rate = 45 crit rate. Critical hit in 1 or 2 swings. MB doesn't crit with the exception of spellburst so you might have been told of her normal attack crit which would naturally go high as throwing benefits from INT/DEX/STR. Nobody boosts CRT on MB spam build, and she definitely doesn't care for VIT or AGI. Be that class before you imply that we have less knowledge. Then you will know.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 10, 2015 5:16:37 GMT
Oh ok. I didn't know she were INT/DEX/STR, I just assumed she was overcapped. Yeah, that build might be a little hard to handle. sorry to quote you for this. you know this point but probably missed it. I know you're better knowledgeable than *ehem* some here.
why would anyone use damage set to tank bosses if they can just use tank set?
*btw, she helped me on my mq. sianas slaps her pretty nicely but still its just another 5 hits away so I call that better than what these guys suggest with assumption.*
I don't think she's INT>DEX>STR as she once mention about Schwartz and her CRT dmg while im busy selling gerust.
I wouldn't say I'm better knowledgeable. I don't even have an MB spammer. I'm not a big fan of high damage, I am a big fan of DPS (because that is the bottomline, and that determines the number of mobs/bosses you can grind over a span of time). Although high damage can have impact on DPS, it is not always the case, because DPS is a complex thing. Like for a simple example, using ignition will provide you high damage but will ultimately provide insignificant DPS because of the cooldown, since we are talking about damage over time. In another sense, survivability also affects DPS. The vid shows the potential damage of an MB, which is good info in my opinion. It would help understand trade-offs between damage/survivability/versatility. As to whether builds are concerned or if her build performs, that I think can only be answered by her. If she cannot solo bosses, but performs well on a party and/or solo grinding mobs then it is good enough for me. Each build has their own purpose anyway and playability is determined by the user to his/her enjoyment.
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Post by lilac on Mar 10, 2015 9:01:07 GMT
sorry to quote you for this. you know this point but probably missed it. I know you're better knowledgeable than *ehem* some here.
why would anyone use damage set to tank bosses if they can just use tank set?
*btw, she helped me on my mq. sianas slaps her pretty nicely but still its just another 5 hits away so I call that better than what these guys suggest with assumption.*
I don't think she's INT>DEX>STR as she once mention about Schwartz and her CRT dmg while im busy selling gerust.
I wouldn't say I'm better knowledgeable. I don't even have an MB spammer. I'm not a big fan of high damage, I am a big fan of DPS (because that is the bottomline, and that determines the number of mobs/bosses you can grind over a span of time). Although high damage can have impact on DPS, it is not always the case, because DPS is a complex thing. Like for a simple example, using ignition will provide you high damage but will ultimately provide insignificant DPS because of the cooldown, since we are talking about damage over time. In another sense, survivability also affects DPS. The vid shows the potential damage of an MB, which is good info in my opinion. It would help understand trade-offs between damage/survivability/versatility. As to whether builds are concerned or if her build performs, that I think can only be answered by her. If she cannot solo bosses, but performs well on a party and/or solo grinding mobs then it is good enough for me. Each build has their own purpose anyway and playability is determined by the user to his/her enjoyment. for this aspect, hats up to you. you think deep. if she love dying, its her choice entirely. even sniper die easy yet do good damage so different build do serve differently. dont kill her with fire just because she choose to deal damage instead of tanking.
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Post by Rascally on Mar 10, 2015 10:29:11 GMT
I wouldn't say I'm better knowledgeable. I don't even have an MB spammer. I'm not a big fan of high damage, I am a big fan of DPS (because that is the bottomline, and that determines the number of mobs/bosses you can grind over a span of time). Although high damage can have impact on DPS, it is not always the case, because DPS is a complex thing. Like for a simple example, using ignition will provide you high damage but will ultimately provide insignificant DPS because of the cooldown, since we are talking about damage over time. In another sense, survivability also affects DPS. The vid shows the potential damage of an MB, which is good info in my opinion. It would help understand trade-offs between damage/survivability/versatility. As to whether builds are concerned or if her build performs, that I think can only be answered by her. If she cannot solo bosses, but performs well on a party and/or solo grinding mobs then it is good enough for me. Each build has their own purpose anyway and playability is determined by the user to his/her enjoyment. for this aspect, hats up to you. you think deep. if she love dying, its her choice entirely. even sniper die easy yet do good damage so different build do serve differently. dont kill her with fire just because she choose to deal damage instead of tanking. Perhaps you should try not to be so emotionally involved. This doesn't add anything to the discussion which is pretty much: "what is the best build for Magic Blade Spam that you can think of". Magic Blade spam involves a huge amount of hate building. This cannot be avoided unless a user focusses on minus hate% gear, which then makes the build pointless as you'd lack DPS anyway. This is a valid point being raised by all. DPS is an interesting area to look at too, but not the only area to consider when discussing different builds. That said, it is completely reasonable for people here to question the lack of survivability in this thread. People are sharing their ideas so that others can criticise (that is not a negative word) and suggest improvements. That is the point of the discussion. Of course people may prefer to focus on high damage or DPS output and that may work for you, but we are all well within our rights to question this in this thread for our own use. We are looking for the best over all ideas to share with one another to advise others on what to work towards. I advise you to take this to a "best m blade damage" thread if you wish to discuss the damage numbers in that video, without the valid criticism you will receive here of the potential lack of survivability - one of the most important factors in a general M Blade build. Mili is quite clearly not shooting anyone down in fire, it seems that the post was more in agreement with what you were saying, but just adding another perspective to it. Some people get so defensive!
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Post by Rascally on Mar 10, 2015 16:27:42 GMT
My damage set leaves me at 30k HP unbuffed and 40-50k consistent damage no shennanigans. Damage set. Just wondering, have you over capped VIT or is that just your stat with 256 VIT? I'm level 259 with 220 VIT and I'm nowhere near that HP xD not sure what I'm realistically working towards with max VIT
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Post by amaterasu on Mar 10, 2015 17:48:05 GMT
I don't get it. So she has a dps build. And some ppl who don't think shes weak? And can't solo? one person says she helped sianas and died... and another claims he can solo every boss except almas with his vit build so another build sucks? Lol. From what i know of that player. Shes beta and famous. You sheep. To think that your way is the only right way. Good luck with that.
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Post by Rascally on Mar 10, 2015 18:09:47 GMT
I don't get it. So she has a dps build. And some ppl who don't think shes weak? And can't solo? one person says she helped sianas and died... and another claims he can solo every boss except almas with his vit build so another build sucks? Lol. From what i know of that player. Shes beta and famous. You sheep. To think that your way is the only right way. Good luck with that. Like I said, a pure DPS build is fine, but it doesn't mean we can't discuss it and debate whether that's the best option for ourselves. No matter whether someone is 'famous'. There's no need to get so defensive over this one build and become rude to others for suggesting downsides. Thats all it is, a downside to a pure DPS build is lack of survivability. That can become a difficulty when considering the more or less forced tank position M Blade presents so it's a good idea to discuss this if anyone else was considering following a pure DPS build too. They didn't even list the build and set anyway so I don't really know why we're talking about it. I'd be interested in your set, for the sake of discussion.
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Post by amaterasu on Mar 10, 2015 18:59:09 GMT
Wasnt aware that i was being rude by makin a comment that just because someone plays different doesnt mean they suck. And the beta and famous comment is simply a notation that her years of experience and skill is proven.. now before you all start arguing for the sake of egos and justifying whatever. I have a max gladiator and a max bishop. And before i used to swear by int vit dex or int dex vit. But 50-60k hp still cant tank some bosses or solo. Some just kill me cuz i cant heal fast enough. Others useless because i cant deal enough damage. So i tried agi build. And whoa .. consistently solo bosses ganei and higher. Not all bosses. But many more than vit build. and w 4-12k hp... also my matk was higher. Like 4.7k matk vs 4300. But i switched back to int stats now. why? Because bored. Bish agi still slower than glad in killing bosses. Just like ur enchanters... all im saying is a dps enchanter will die on some bosses and a tank enchanter will too. ultimately you all suck because bishops and gladiators ftw. lmao. XD
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Post by Rascally on Mar 10, 2015 21:04:31 GMT
I don't see where people said she sucks o.o we were all told we suck ^_^ For what it's worth, I'm also a shiny shiny Beta player. Go me
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Post by JunJunPow on Mar 10, 2015 23:54:25 GMT
I don't get it. So she has a dps build. And some ppl who don't think shes weak? And can't solo? one person says she helped sianas and died... and another claims he can solo every boss except almas with his vit build so another build sucks? Lol. From what i know of that player. Shes beta and famous. You sheep. To think that your way is the only right way. Good luck with that. In case you haven't read the lecture about MB's hate generation i'll say this again. Pure DPS build on MB would be awesome if it's hate generation were that of assassin's backstab or sniper's AR, but hell naw. IT IS ALMOST GREATER THAN PALADIN'S HATE GENERATION. She would have to MB every other second or pause just for others to keep up hate. Okay, tanking aside and DPS wise would you think that someone who pauses bit by bit just to stay alive would deal more dps than someone who just MBs away bosses until they die? And as far as i'm concerned being a beta player and famous has nothing to do with skill. I've been playing since beta too but not famous, am i great now? Don't call me sheep just yet, i haven't called your friend names so don't go all defensive. I am merely stating the biggest weakness of that particular build, which is the whole point of this thread. There is no right way to play this game, like i said if that's how she wants to play her MB then by all means go. I didn't even say it was wrong, i said it was not ideal. Before you judge me butthurt fans you might wanna view from other's perspective too. Goodluck with that.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 11, 2015 0:41:26 GMT
Wasnt aware that i was being rude by makin a comment that just because someone plays different doesnt mean they suck. And the beta and famous comment is simply a notation that her years of experience and skill is proven.. now before you all start arguing for the sake of egos and justifying whatever. I have a max gladiator and a max bishop. And before i used to swear by int vit dex or int dex vit. But 50-60k hp still cant tank some bosses or solo. Some just kill me cuz i cant heal fast enough. Others useless because i cant deal enough damage. So i tried agi build. And whoa .. consistently solo bosses ganei and higher. Not all bosses. But many more than vit build. and w 4-12k hp... also my matk was higher. Like 4.7k matk vs 4300. But i switched back to int stats now. why? Because bored. Bish agi still slower than glad in killing bosses. Just like ur enchanters... all im saying is a dps enchanter will die on some bosses and a tank enchanter will too. ultimately you all suck because bishops and gladiators ftw. lmao. XD Tank Enchanter can tank everything and not with insane gear or stats or anything . Hardly ever need Resurrect on anything as well as long as there's no ohko skills(mean Kaiser 2). It's also completely within the realm of possibility that they can solo everything like Paladin can(literally like the same speed on most stuff lol). Just thought I would point that out there. Everyone here is talking about an optimal build overall. A pure DPS build isn't it because of the way the class is designed. However I'm in the same guild as her in game and she still gets parties and everything and does fine. She just really likes alternative builds in my experience. However this is not a build people newer to the game(yes people can be 220+ and still new, very new) should try. It also has more challenges along the way and is more expensive to build. Also you are choosing between 500 ATK and 13-15k HP with 256 STR/VIT. While 500 ATK seems like a lot you gotta remember we use both ATK and MATK and have a better weapon for MATK builds currently.
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