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Post by absolutezero12 on Nov 28, 2014 19:24:46 GMT
So does the Magic Blade DPS set up pretty much render the old DPR/Ciel combo obsolete? Is this build making use of any of the other Enchanter autocast features or is it's pretty much MAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAM and that's where the majority of the damage lies? Because I noticed you left the usual 135 out, will the significance of Autoskill upon attack even be a thing worth worrying about any more?
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Post by Rascally on Dec 5, 2014 8:35:44 GMT
Yeah m blade spam is instead of auto skill damage
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 5, 2014 15:53:30 GMT
Autoskill builds and Mblade spam builds are just two different builds.
As far as I can tell, Magic Blade will be more for tanking but is easier to gear to do DPS than Auto.
Auto takes tons of gear but I believe that it's damage CAN be more than Magic Blade. By tons I mean you are probably gonna want Autoskill Star abilities and those cost a lot.
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Post by Shiruyui on Dec 5, 2014 17:23:33 GMT
I'm using Fuma Shuriken/Schlingel, D.mail/Moldus, Mercure/Tarna, Dragonewt/Mezza for my dps set. Fuma + Mercure give -1sec delay, and there's some nice Atk & Matk+% on those gears o.o)b
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Post by AnTz on Dec 6, 2014 0:48:56 GMT
So does the Magic Blade DPS set up pretty much render the old DPR/Ciel combo obsolete? Is this build making use of any of the other Enchanter autocast features or is it's pretty much MAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAM and that's where the majority of the damage lies? Because I noticed you left the usual 135 out, will the significance of Autoskill upon attack even be a thing worth worrying about any more? M.blade build n Auto attack build are 2 different path for enchanter. Is Like Arrow Rain build n auto attack build for sniper. For now, if both builds are well geared, m.blade build will give u higher dps than auto attack build (dps, not highest damage. Auto atk highest dmg can be higher than m.blade). But in the near future, as more enchanter gears n xtals bcome available, auto attack build have big potential to surpass m.blade dps Another thing to notice is, with m.blade build, enchanter can simply be said as magical pally, due they generate agro very well, resulting they can tank well. This is one thing that is proved to be difficult thing for auto attack enchanter
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Post by kookz on Dec 6, 2014 17:18:59 GMT
anyone hv youtube link for magic blade ?? i try but didn't found anymore.
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Post by Tyranull on Dec 7, 2014 3:21:22 GMT
You all hyped for m blade, But I only want qadal. That is my kind of spell right there, and I cannot wait to get it.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 7, 2014 3:36:29 GMT
You all hyped for m blade, But I only want qadal. That is my kind of spell right there, and I cannot wait to get it. xD You can only use it every so often. I don't even have it on a shortcut :/ If you are excited for it then that is you lol.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 7, 2014 3:37:28 GMT
So does the Magic Blade DPS set up pretty much render the old DPR/Ciel combo obsolete? Is this build making use of any of the other Enchanter autocast features or is it's pretty much MAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAMMAGICBLADESPAM and that's where the majority of the damage lies? Because I noticed you left the usual 135 out, will the significance of Autoskill upon attack even be a thing worth worrying about any more? M.blade build n Auto attack build are 2 different path for enchanter. Is Like Arrow Rain build n auto attack build for sniper. For now, if both builds are well geared, m.blade build will give u higher dps than auto attack build (dps, not highest damage. Auto atk highest dmg can be higher than m.blade). But in the near future, as more enchanter gears n xtals bcome available, auto attack build have big potential to surpass m.blade dps Another thing to notice is, with m.blade build, enchanter can simply be said as magical pally, due they generate agro very well, resulting they can tank well. This is one thing that is proved to be difficult thing for auto attack enchanter Pretty much my exact feelings. At the moment Mblade does more but in the future Auto will probably do more and Mblade will become a tank build.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 7, 2014 3:39:28 GMT
I'm using Fuma Shuriken/Schlingel, D.mail/Moldus, Mercure/Tarna, Dragonewt/Mezza for my dps set. Fuma + Mercure give -1sec delay, and there's some nice Atk & Matk+% on those gears o.o)b Interesting setup. How much damage do you do to Megas/High Ents/Nommars?
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Dec 7, 2014 4:21:54 GMT
Any info on the formula of magic blade?
I am assuming that cane + matk will provide better dmg.
This is my hunch because matk is normally bigger in value and matk xtals provide better bonus than atk xtals.
If atk affects magic blade better then wouldnt vit dex str with special sword provide better atk. Or perhaps int str dex with throwing weapon provides best overall dmg.
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Post by Shiruyui on Dec 7, 2014 13:56:17 GMT
I'm using Fuma Shuriken/Schlingel, D.mail/Moldus, Mercure/Tarna, Dragonewt/Mezza for my dps set. Fuma + Mercure give -1sec delay, and there's some nice Atk & Matk+% on those gears o.o)b Interesting setup. How much damage do you do to Megas/High Ents/Nommars? I deal, with wind origin at Mega, around 26k. The only bad thing about this set up, in my opinion, (not talking about the xtals, still trying to get another Kaiser2), is the mercure's wind resistance -20%, it hurts a lot so when it comes to wind elemental boss I use Schlacht Helm/Hp+20% (trying to get another matk xtals here too). MiLiGRiTo, those builds x weapons look really good for the damage. But in my opinion, they both have a weak point. The first build with the special sword, I guess it'll boost the Magic Blade's Atk by a lot, but concerning the Matk part, it'll be weak without INT. I never tested that, just saying what I'm thinking. The second build, yup it'll boost thr Atk & Matk, it might be a good build for pure dps, but without VIT I think it'll be hard to survive since we steal aggro easily when we are in a party and if you're soloing, then it might be hard to kill strong bosses (who deals high damage). Yes I know you're talking about dps and I'm talking about survability, but just saying what I think about those 2 new builds. I like the ideas though, I might try them once I get a few Stelfy's Books.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 7, 2014 16:35:09 GMT
Any info on the formula of magic blade? I am assuming that cane + matk will provide better dmg. This is my hunch because matk is normally bigger in value and matk xtals provide better bonus than atk xtals. If atk affects magic blade better then wouldnt vit dex str with special sword provide better atk. Or perhaps int str dex with throwing weapon provides best overall dmg. ATK and MATK affect Mblade equally. Since there are better MATK xtals those are usually more effective in increasing damage. The MATK portion of the damage is also Neutral Magic. Cane would not do better damage UNLESS you maxed STR as well, and the difference would be negligible if it's even greater. Also there's Dia Espada UP which has insane stats for Mblade(Neutral Magic+20% and MATK+5%) that will pretty much make up the difference. The only viable cane that can compete is Resty Rod also and you will only do more when Spell Boost is active(which is most of the time). You can also just use Spell Boost with Dia anyways. Any build without very very high VIT(preferably maxed) will do poorly overall. INT DEX STR with throwing may do the highest damage but no survivability would suck. Not adding VIT on an Mblade spammer is almost as bad as not adding VIT on a Paladin because you WILL tank stuff whether you like it or not.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Dec 8, 2014 1:20:10 GMT
Without the formula, it would be hard to tell for certain which will provide best damage. We can only speculate.
If the formula was, for example, (ATK+MATK) x 5, then we would know for sure that you should put more MATK because it will provide the better boost. You can have low 800ATK and say 3.6k MATK with MATK xtals and their total would be higher (4.4k) rather than high 2.5ATK and 1.5MATK (4k) with magic sword +ATK xtals. Having high MATK base value will also provide better bonus for spellboost.
If the formula is biased on ATK (e.g ((ATKx4) + MATK)) x 2) then boosting ATK might be the better option.
So knowing the formula will allow you to select proper xtals and best weapon for optimum output.
Of course you need to balance it out with skill delay which is a vital part of DPS and it will be easier to assume the outcome and weight the tradeoffs with the formula rather than trying with a blind hit or miss approach.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 8, 2014 5:53:13 GMT
Without the formula, it would be hard to tell for certain which will provide best damage. We can only speculate. If the formula was, for example, (ATK+MATK) x 5, then we would know for sure that you should put more MATK because it will provide the better boost. You can have low 800ATK and say 3.6k MATK with MATK xtals and their total would be higher (4.4k) rather than high 2.5ATK and 1.5MATK (4k) with magic sword +ATK xtals. Having high MATK base value will also provide better bonus for spellboost. If the formula is biased on ATK (e.g ((ATKx4) + MATK)) x 2) then boosting ATK might be the better option. So knowing the formula will allow you to select proper xtals and best weapon for optimum output. Of course you need to balance it out with skill delay which is a vital part of DPS and it will be easier to assume the outcome and weight the tradeoffs with the formula rather than trying with a blind hit or miss approach. I don't know the exact formula(would be nice to know) but I know from experience based on my stats ATK and MATK have almost equal multipliers. If there is any difference it is small and the sheer amount of matk% and Neutral magic % you can get will heavily lean in the favor of gearing that way.
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