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Post by ✧ on Jun 17, 2014 2:16:33 GMT
So, my guildmates and I were having a discussion over the Paladin skill, Guardian (Level 1) and its calculated damage. So after some time, I came up with a formula calculating the damage output of Guardian Level 1. So I need your help, if possible, to test and see of this formula and if works or not. So here is the formula:
Guardian Level 1 Damage
(((Current HP) x .02) x .11) + (Base Attack + STR) = G
(Value of "G") x 4 = X
X - (Enemy Defense x 4) = Guardian Level 1 Damage
(Value of guardian level 1 damage) x Attribute Value (Depends on element of attack and element of enemy, if any)
EXAMPLE
42000 x .02 = 840
840 x .11 = 92.4
92.4 + (2114 base attack + 1 STR) = 2207.4
2207.4 x 4 = 8829.6 <-- BASE Guardian Damage
8829.6 - (4 x 330 Megaroche DEF) = 7509.6 Damage
7509.6 x (1) = About 7509.6 Damage output on megaroche (a water element) when using Guardian (Neutral Attribute) <-- TOTAL OUTPUT DAMAGE
Formula for Guardian Level 2:
(((Current HP) x .02) x .16) + (Base Attack + STR) = G
(Value of "G") x 4.2 = X
X - (Enemy Defense x 4.2) = Guardian Level 1 Damage
(Value of guardian level 1 damage) x Attribute Value (Depends on element of attack and element of enemy, if any)
Please test it out, I want to find out if this works. Please place results below, thanks! o.o/
Please allow damage to range about 250-500 damage above and below the BASE total output damage
If you don't think this formula works, tell me why and what you think the formula is...I'm open to new ideas so that I can learn :3
This formula may or may not work...at least I tried :c
In addition, if I put this post in an incorrect spot, I'm sorry... ><
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Post by Prayerz on Jun 17, 2014 2:56:39 GMT
Guardian (ambient attack)
Technique to attack the enemy of all hostile. To perform non-attribute attack to target, and to direct the hostility to itself. Power changes at HP currently. (Upon activation, HP consumption)
HP2% SLV1 MP50 current [law surgery guardian] Quest (Lv160) clear
※ damage calculation = - (HP × 0.11 current) {(ATK + STR) × 4 enemy DEF} × attribute value} +
HP2% SLv2 MP70 current quest skill acquisition trial [!] (Lv200) clear
(HP × 0.16 currently) ※ damage calculation = {(ATK + STR) × 4.2-enemy DEF} × attribute value} +
Enemy during cure even (purple aura) through part of the formula for current HP, and (defense ignored)
Damage decreases Azcans in × 0.8 in the case of × 0.9,3 body target in the case of two-body target
This is the skill and formula on the wiki, as it's written. It's already been tested, so this is why it's listed with the skill.
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Post by ✧ on Jun 17, 2014 3:03:58 GMT
Guardian (ambient attack) Technique to attack the enemy of all hostile. To perform non-attribute attack to target, and to direct the hostility to itself. Power changes at HP currently. (Upon activation, HP consumption) HP2% SLV1 MP50 current [law surgery guardian] Quest (Lv160) clear ※ damage calculation = - (HP × 0.11 current) {(ATK + STR) × 4 enemy DEF} × attribute value} + HP2% SLv2 MP70 current quest skill acquisition trial [!] (Lv200) clear (HP × 0.16 currently) ※ damage calculation = {(ATK + STR) × 4.2-enemy DEF} × attribute value} + Enemy during cure even (purple aura) through part of the formula for current HP, and (defense ignored) Damage decreases Azcans in × 0.8 in the case of × 0.9,3 body target in the case of two-body target This is the skill and formula on the wiki, as it's written. It's already been tested, so this is why it's listed with the skill. That formula is confusing QAQ that's what I'm trying to decipher...maybe...you could help me with it?
A Paladin has about 70,000 HP and about 1062 ATK and uses Dragon Roar. What is the total output damage on chako? My formula calculated about 5k but the Paladin did about 7k-ish damage .__.
The one I used within the example worked but why not this? e.e I'm testing it over and over and over and over.... x.x
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Post by Prayerz on Jun 17, 2014 3:19:44 GMT
Here, I'll give you my details of my Paladin.
Paladin Lv. 176
Vit 256
Int 60
Dex 222
Attack I believe is 760s with dragon roar 187a+8 (might have attack wrong on my weapon as I cannot remember correctly, and I can't get on atm).
At Roches, with about 44k hp being max in the gear set I use, I hit about 3.7k at max hp with guardian.
Your miscalculation probably lies with the .02 that you added to compensate for the 2% hp loss. Take that out of the equation. Your equation is of damage output from current hp. That .02 will throw that off entirely. I'm personally not an equatin guy, but I'm pretty sure that's where the error lies.
Edit: If I use my Katzbalger II 180+7/Schlingel, my attack is about 1452 if I remember correctly. I was using it at roches the other night and I was hitting about 6.5-6.6k hp at 35k hp.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 18, 2014 0:11:12 GMT
I would like to verify this too because I seem to miscalculate my guardian dmg. I understand the formula the same way prayerz does.
My stats at 193.
Max vit
Max str
Dex 77
I have katz 2s, exelis up, lion shield with suigetsu x 4 and knight gauntlet ganei.
My atk is 2396 my hp is 36k. (With warcry buff).
Af full hp I do 9.8k to 10k single mega.
8.8k to 9k double mega.
7.8k to 8k triple mega.
There is a random factor that is not mentioned in the formula which is probably why I dont have fixed damage.
Can somebody show the math for me because I end up with the wrong figure in my calculation.
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Post by ✧ on Jun 18, 2014 12:53:02 GMT
I would like to verify this too because I seem to miscalculate my guardian dmg. I understand the formula the same way prayerz does. My stats at 193. Max vit Max str Dex 77 I have katz 2s, exelis up, lion shield with suigetsu x 4 and knight gauntlet ganei. My atk is 2396 my hp is 36k. (With warcry buff). Af full hp I do 9.8k to 10k single mega. 8.8k to 9k double mega. 7.8k to 8k triple mega. There is a random factor that is not mentioned in the formula which is probably why I dont have fixed damage. Can somebody show the math for me because I end up with the wrong figure in my calculation. Hmm...if I used my formula and plugged your stats into this, I would get:
36000 * .02 = 720
720 * .11 = 79.2
79.2 + (2396 + 256) = 2731.2
2731.2 * 4 = 10924.8
10924.8 - (330 * 4) = 9604.8 (Megaroche DEF is ~330)
I don't how this worked...but how in the world could this work? @.@
I think, like every skill, or something, there is a small damage increase/decrease, etc. It happens with me when I use clone dance...where I do one set of low damage, the next higher, and the next set even higher, then back down to low/medium damage, etc. Yeah, maybe, aside from crit and such, there is a "damage multiplier" where the values could range from .8/.9 - 1.1/1.2 times your "base damage"...
I'm not sure though :c
Just putting in what I thought c:
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 18, 2014 16:38:46 GMT
Although you are near to the figures, I doubt your formula primarily because you made hp a very insignificant factor. Pallys with hp gears might contest on your equation.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 27, 2014 15:06:13 GMT
Here, I'll give you my details of my Paladinadin Lv. 176 Vit 256 Int 60 Dex 222 Attack I believeis 760s with dragon roar 187a+8 (might have attack wrong on my weaponas I cannot remember crrectly, and I can't get on atm). At roches, with about 44k hp being max in the gear set I use, I hit about 3.7k at max hp with guardian. Your miscalculation probably lies with the .02 that you added to compensate for the 2% hp loss. Take that out of the equation. Your equation is of damage output from current hp. That .02 will throw that off entirely. I'm personally not an equatin guy, but I'm pretty sure that's where the error lies. Edit: If I use my Katzbalger II 180+7/Schlingel, my attack is about 1452 if I remember correctly. I was using it at roches the other night and I was hitting about 6.5-6.6k hp at 35k hp. Mixed my gear to get 1453atk and 35.6k. I get roughly the same figure at 6.6k to 6.7k using guardian 1. Which leads me to believe that str Is not a factor (you have 1str, I have max str) and that the formula Is false (or guardian Is nerfed). what I can seem to verify so far Is that gloria only affects the atk part of the equation, the hp part will remain the same with or without gloria. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 27, 2014 16:51:03 GMT
So my guildmates and I wng a discussion over the Paladin skill, Guardian (Level 1)and its calcuifated damage. So after some time, I came up with a formula calculating the damage output of Guardian Level 1. So I need your help, if possible, to test and see of this formula and if works or not. So here is the formula:
Guardian Level 1 Damage
(((Current HP) x .02) x .11) + (Base Attack + STR) = G
(Value of "G") x 4 = X
X - (Enemy Defense x 4) = Guardian Level 1 Damage
(Value of guardian level 1 damage) x Attribute Value (Depends on element of attack and element of enemy, if any)
EXAMPLE
42000 x .02 = 840
840 x .11 = 92.4
92.4 + (2114 base attack + 1 STR) = 2207.4
2207.4 x 4 = 8829.6 <-- BASE Guardian Damage
8829.6 - (4 x 330 Megaroche DEF) = 7509.6 Damage
7509.6 x (1) = About 7509.6 Damage output on megaroche (a water element) when using Guardian (Neutral Attribute) <-- TOTAL OUTPUT DAMAGE
Formula for Guardian Level 2:
(((Current HP) x .02) x .16) + (Base Attack + STR) = G
(Value of "G") x 4.2 = X
X - (Enemy Defense x 4.2) = Guardian Level 1 Damage
(Value of guardian level 1 damage) x Attribute Value (Depends on element of attack and element of enemy, if any)
Please test it out, I want to find out if this works. Please place results below, thanks! o.o/
Please allow damage to range about 250-500 damage above and below the BASE total output damage
If you don't think this formula works, tell me why and what you think the formula is...I'm open to new ideas so that I can learn :3
This formula may or may not work...at least I tried :c
In addition, if I put this post in an incorrect spot, I'm sorry... ><
I did some tests and I think that guardian was probably nerfed from the formula. Please try this new formula: guardian 1: (atk x 3.6) x (1.5 If you have gloria vs dark mob) + (current hp x 0.55) guardian 2: (atk x 3.8) x (1.5 gloria vs dark) + (current hp x 0.8) its still a bit off but It should be quite near for estimate purposes. This Is probably due to the fact that I did not Include mob def. |
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Post by ✧ on Jun 27, 2014 16:57:05 GMT
So my guildmates and I wng a discussion over the Paladin skill, Guardian (Level 1)and its calcuifated damage. So after some time, I came up with a formula calculating the damage output of Guardian Level 1. So I need your help, if possible, to test and see of this formula and if works or not. So here is the formula:
Guardian Level 1 Damage
(((Current HP) x .02) x .11) + (Base Attack + STR) = G
(Value of "G") x 4 = X
X - (Enemy Defense x 4) = Guardian Level 1 Damage
(Value of guardian level 1 damage) x Attribute Value (Depends on element of attack and element of enemy, if any)
EXAMPLE
42000 x .02 = 840
840 x .11 = 92.4
92.4 + (2114 base attack + 1 STR) = 2207.4
2207.4 x 4 = 8829.6 <-- BASE Guardian Damage
8829.6 - (4 x 330 Megaroche DEF) = 7509.6 Damage
7509.6 x (1) = About 7509.6 Damage output on megaroche (a water element) when using Guardian (Neutral Attribute) <-- TOTAL OUTPUT DAMAGE
Formula for Guardian Level 2:
(((Current HP) x .02) x .16) + (Base Attack + STR) = G
(Value of "G") x 4.2 = X
X - (Enemy Defense x 4.2) = Guardian Level 1 Damage
(Value of guardian level 1 damage) x Attribute Value (Depends on element of attack and element of enemy, if any)
Please test it out, I want to find out if this works. Please place results below, thanks! o.o/
Please allow damage to range about 250-500 damage above and below the BASE total output damage
If you don't think this formula works, tell me why and what you think the formula is...I'm open to new ideas so that I can learn :3
This formula may or may not work...at least I tried :c
In addition, if I put this post in an incorrect spot, I'm sorry... ><
I did some tests and I think that guardian was probably nerfed from the formula. Please try this new formula: guardian 1: (atk x 3.6) x (1.5 If you have gloria vs dark mob) + (current hp x 0.55) guardian 2: (atk x 3.8) x (1.5 gloria vs dark) + (current hp x 0.8) its still a bit off but It should be quite near for estimate purposes. This Is probably due to the fact that I did not Include mob def. Hmm, I'll try testing this, thanks. 
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 27, 2014 17:37:49 GMT
Ok I tried with low lvl mobs and the atk multiplier might still be 4 and 4.2 ( I had reduced to 3.6 and 3.8 which is wrong). I'll try to get mob def in the formula. And perhaps str.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 27, 2014 17:55:01 GMT
I think this is better now:
G1
((((Atk -mob def) x 4) + str ) x elemental bonus) + (current hp x 0.055)
G2
((((Atk -mob def) x4.2)+str) x elemental bonus) + (current hp x 0.08)
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Post by ✧ on Jun 27, 2014 18:39:08 GMT
I think this is better now: G1 ((((Atk -mob def) x 4) + str ) x elemental bonus) + (current hp x 0.055) G2 ((((Atk -mob def) x4.2)+str) x elemental bonus) + (current hp x 0.08) I see o.O
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 28, 2014 0:58:49 GMT
Ok let me know what you find out so we can tidy up or correct the formula if needed.
What I can confirm so far is the current hp multiplier, which was done by getting the difference of damage between full hp and 1%hp and that the damage due to hp is not increased by gloria.
The only remaining puzzle now is the atk part of the formula.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 29, 2014 0:22:23 GMT
Also noticed that the hp part dmg is thru physical penetration, so for high def/barrier bosses, you will only see the hp part dmg since the atk part will land 1dmg.
Im not a fan of hp gear so if anyone else can send data we can try to confirm the formula or correct it.
We would probably need info on:
LVL
ATK STAT
MAX HP
WEAPON USED
DAMAGE ON SINGLE MEGAROCHE AT MAX HP
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