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Post by NightBreeze on Aug 10, 2017 17:09:53 GMT
Just like IRL, when a new product releases its price is high. After some time it gets lower.
As a consumer, I enjoy buying good gear for cheap. But if I put myself in the shoes of the producer, I'd be more than annoyed if after all the hard work of leveling my prod and farming mats I'd have to sell my products for pennies.
I think it would not be unfair if the biggest part of the price of these new high-lvl-prod items would be for the work people put in.
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Post by nic123 on Aug 10, 2017 18:36:28 GMT
First of all, get your facts str8 lol Mephisto = Demon censor This need clay (hard uncommon) Demonic splinter rare Devil tear rare And death ent wood (3 desth ent splinter) Mephisto needs 2 of those each so u need those mats x2 Ouvel uncommon Cloudy magic stone And 7 biflog common Each, thats all i made on the list so u may have more mistakes Slot is 1/10 in prod Soooo 40m to me is cheap, the only reason it is so cheap matter a fact is because only like 2 classes really utilize special claws. Eaysley Was I wrong? The only error in that one is that I forgot to mention Demonic Splinter is rare. These are straight facts. Lol nic123 Demonic Incense Clay - is a hard uncommon. Drops around 10/99 kills. Considering a stack of kills is worth 500k. This should only cost 50k each so 100k for 2 pieces. Devil Tear - rare. Rares should be worth around 1 to 2. The mob it drops from is fairly easy too. If you have tickets, you get a rare once or twice in 99 kills. I know because I have full tickets. Demonic Splinter - same. Death Ent Wood - Rokoko price for Death Ent Splinter is 100k. This should be worth 600k then for 6 pcs. Wraith Skull is from an easy boss. Many can kill this in a few seconds. Normally farm serice for boss costs 50k per common. God Evil Plume is literally just cheap in stall becausw Ouvel is overfarmed. Cloudy Magic Stone drops around 10 to 20 per 99 kills. A lot more if you have tickets. Following the 500k/99 pricing, this should be worth 500k to 1m. Math: Clay - 100k Devil Tear - 2m Dem Splinter - 2m Death Wood - 600k Wraith - 350k God Evil Plume - 1m Cloudy Magic - 1m That's just 7m. 1 out of 10? At cap level this should not be the odds. With high stats and correct equipment, the odds are a lot higher. Production slot rates are 10% as far as i know, whether cap or not, you also forget alot of these production items require another entire prod to make some of the mats, for e.g, death ent wood ifs from carp 150+. Anyway i made 25 mephistos and got 7 slots, i consider that lucky, ill probably make more if price stays good. Like i saw someone say, you are saying we are over pricing just based on mat cost- selling price Well let me list the factors or why the price is to me fair: 1. How many people even shers and botters, have the patience to cap their prods?? Not me, i only have 1 cap and 1 near cap. 2. The location of the mats... some of these mats are not just hard but spread all over, i gotta carry all my characters there which takes time.... 3. The fact that you need other prods to make some of these items 4. Lack of other sellers 5. Demand ofcourse 6. New recipe, means the difficulty is hard!! Mats break bro, even in success sets I dont mean to come across as rude or anything, but you are against the wrong group, most of the big prod people really grind hard for mats, like mucc and yuhee(who is like the only competition in stall for mephisto e,e)
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WHAT DOESN'T KILL ME, GIVES ME EXP
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Post by caporal on Aug 10, 2017 18:52:57 GMT
business men vs a nice player One is playing only for money, the other one for fun, while thinking about other players
farming mobs is the reason why you play iruna, it should be fun, if it's not then leave the game. So no matter how hard drop is a mat for a prod, it still mob farming, and it shouldn't be a reason to raise prices.
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Post by nic123 on Aug 10, 2017 21:46:35 GMT
business men vs a nice player One is playing only for money, the other one for fun, while thinking about other players farming mobs is the reason why you play iruna, it should be fun, if it's not then leave the game. So no matter how hard drop is a mat for a prod, it still mob farming, and it shouldn't be a reason to raise prices. No need to buy best equips then^^, can have alot of fun playing with equips bosses drop. I dont think pressing production staring at a green bar for months is anyones idea of "fun", but the profits and benefits of production in the long run really is fun to me. You guys cap your prod, farm for days-months and give away new equips since you have that much of a problem with it . @corporal Eaysley
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Post by Krish (Retired Player) on Aug 11, 2017 1:03:56 GMT
This is coming from a person who said himself that he only does production as a form of fun and does not see it as a form of profit making but still makes the equips anyways. You don't understand how hard people work just to make their living in the world of Iruna off of this, if everything was dirt cheap then what is even the point of levelling production anyways? I am a person who has made 7 billion spina in 2 days and everyone whom I sold to found the prices very reasonable. I really mean this but after observing you for a couple of days I do not like you one bit at all. You are a problem to the production community. This is my 7 cents to the discussion, maybe even more.
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Post by Famine on Aug 11, 2017 1:06:47 GMT
Just to be blunt here, you are also paying for the effort people spent on the way to getting cap lvl production to produce the current things. Sure they will get cheaper as competition grows, but on day 1, you are literally paying for the blood, sweat and tears of the people that currently have cap production.
It is not all about oh, mats cost this much, and chance to be slot is this much(while surely it effects it), it is also about, "I spent xxxx hours per production to be able to make this"
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asteg
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Post by asteg on Aug 11, 2017 1:25:47 GMT
If after five years you can't figure out gear prices go down after a few days maybe u deserve to waste the Spina you probably made leeching or reselling other people's gear...
I agree with paying for the prod exp and not just mats, no one would do prod if all that hard work payed out to 7m a success..and if no one did prod no one would be getting prod gears.. cuz u can make more then 7m off most rares and even some uncs
I don't wanna do prod but I want the gear so I just farm stuff, wait for price to drop, then buy nio sword for 20m instead of 100 but then waste 300m on masamunes cuz I want a mura up and my gm isn't around to prod em for me
Also can someone tell me nio swords great success name? >.< And maybe price cuz I can't find it in stall
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Post by Krish (Retired Player) on Aug 11, 2017 1:37:57 GMT
If after five years you can't figure out gear prices go down after a few days maybe u deserve to waste the Spina you probably made leeching or reselling other people's gear... I agree with paying for the prod exp and not just mats, no one would do prod if all that hard work payed out to 7m a success..and if no one did prod no one would be getting prod gears.. cuz u can make more then 7m off most rares and even some uncs I don't wanna do prod but I want the gear so I just farm stuff, wait for price to drop, then buy nio sword for 20m instead of 100 but then waste 300m on masamunes cuz I want a mura up and my gm isn't around to prod em for me Also can someone tell me nio swords great success name? >.< And maybe price cuz I can't find it in stall Fudo Myoo Sword. The great successes are impossible to make right now because you apparently need to be within 5 levels for a great success to be possible. Not sure if this is true or not but I know it didn't work out for me with 20 sets.
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Post by isntjoaquim on Aug 11, 2017 2:01:44 GMT
If after five years you can't figure out gear prices go down after a few days maybe u deserve to waste the Spina you probably made leeching or reselling other people's gear... I agree with paying for the prod exp and not just mats, no one would do prod if all that hard work payed out to 7m a success..and if no one did prod no one would be getting prod gears.. cuz u can make more then 7m off most rares and even some uncs I don't wanna do prod but I want the gear so I just farm stuff, wait for price to drop, then buy nio sword for 20m instead of 100 but then waste 300m on masamunes cuz I want a mura up and my gm isn't around to prod em for me Also can someone tell me nio swords great success name? >.< And maybe price cuz I can't find it in stall Fudo Myoo Sword. The great successes are impossible to make right now because you apparently need to be within 5 levels for a great success to be possible. Not sure if this is true or not but I know it didn't work out for me with 20 sets. Same for me with 100 sets :x also muramasa shinuchi had the same result
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Post by nic123 on Aug 11, 2017 3:22:32 GMT
On day one you are literally getting the price of people who 1. Followed blogs to know mats 2. Checked wiki for mats 3. Researched for mats
And prefarmed the mats to be able to sell to all u consumers who want gram and nio sword on the first day.
The audacity of calling our hardwork overpriced lol. As you can see alot of us prod people were really triggered, literally invested personal time and energy into it. 1. Its day 1, we capped out prods on the first day, to sell you guys the gear!!!!! 2. Its day 1, we already have the mats!!! We been researching and storing em, in extremem cases people left their original guild and had to go to their storage guild to do this. 3. Im done being triggered, i do see both sides, you see f.a.w 500m and think, wow overpriced, they made like 10 of those and selling em 500m each, greedy pigs On the flip side, the seller probably grinded meligia for weeks.
P.s. 600 sets skr used so far, no luck at all, this is depressing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 3:27:31 GMT
From my perspective as a buyer I don't mind buying overpricing item if it first time out and if it worth to get early bird. why not?. I even try to do production and not even 1 hrs already got bored. I better go grinding and boss farming as my income. But if you patience enough price will drop as there will be many other player who will eventually produce same item so the price are quite reasonable for the time being.
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Post by mystery on Aug 11, 2017 4:41:09 GMT
"I hope you guys has real life. Don't let the game eats you XD. Just enjoy it."
A Friendly advice from a friend of mine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 5:04:52 GMT
I don't really give a damn with pricing. Whether they buy it or not I don't really care to be honest.
If they don't wanna buy it then NO. As simple as that.
I'll lower my price when its needed. For as long as my price is being sold I am glad about it and I see it rewarding for my hardwork. But if not, who cares. Everyone struggles to lvl production with or without the Prod lvling method.
And... Not all producers can buy the items they need to craft their goods some farms it.
Now, in the case of an item which requires rare in worst case its from a boss I don't think anyone can imagine how hard it is to stock a pile of rares just to produce a gear and sell it for a lower price just because "Plume is 80M only in the market" Not to mention not all producers are "filthy rich" to subscribe for "Monthly tickets" to get the slight advantage of having additional RDR rate.
So, atleast people can be a little bit considerate about it? If not. I don't care as well I won't be considerate as well and be a pain and savage for everyone.
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Post by ✯✯✯ on Aug 11, 2017 5:21:20 GMT
I don't really give a damn with pricing. Whether they buy it or not I don't really care to be honest. If they don't wanna buy it then NO. As simple as that. I'll lower my price when its needed. For as long as my price is being sold I am glad about it. But if not, who cares. Everyone struggles to lvl production with or without the Prod lvling method. And... Not all producers can buy the items they need to craft their goods some farms it so atleast people can be a little bit considerate about it? If not. I don't care as well I won't be considerate as well and be a pain and savage for everyone. Lmao next he'll write, ppl sell op xtals coz mwrchant price is 1 spinas... its hilarious the way he calculate 😂
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Post by Kijimu Party on Aug 11, 2017 5:25:33 GMT
Interesting Discussion Keep them coming.. I got my popcorn
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