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Post by ❄️Misaki❄️ on Jul 19, 2017 14:47:44 GMT
Does this mean it's the death of parties for non-mainstream classes? Seeing this thread makes me feel like it.
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Post by ☆Rinリン on Jul 19, 2017 15:33:52 GMT
Does this mean it's the death of parties for non-mainstream classes? Seeing this thread makes me feel like it. Might be lol, but hey the 340 skill might change the party setup |
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Post by pingrek on Jul 19, 2017 15:37:34 GMT
Does this mean it's the death of parties for non-mainstream classes? Seeing this thread makes me feel like it. No, it's just most people prefer the main setups right now because it's what they know to be fastest at the moment, just remember almost no one wanted magic ninjas until sk so maybe whenever newer skills are released it will shift the party dynamics enough that what is considered nonmainstream will be what is prefered in party |
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Post by nic123 on Jul 19, 2017 21:32:22 GMT
it depends on alot of things.
imagine 3is xp is 500k
and lux mushroom xp is 20k
full pt 3is may give me 250k each 3i, if i kill 7 3is a minute thats 1.75m in the minute
lets say every 2 seconds i kill 3 lux mushrooms now as a solo, thats 60k every 2seconds, 300k every 10 seconds, 1.8m every minute
these values are off, 3is one is relative, but lux give more xp
also i dont think u can hate on parties for wanting fastest jobs to kill
for now meta is really op
hw for aoe, mp heal
bish for aoe, hp heal, buffs
mins for buffs
anither hw cuz even more damage
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Post by bikini on Jul 20, 2017 7:49:06 GMT
I grind solo all my chars xd, i lving now my servant at bw, its slow kill than other classes, but at least never search party and i got decent exp with some apostolia exp  . Nicky, not all clases got aoe or large aoe. Training my alts with bish vs hw there are big diference at lux mushrooms. |
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Jul 20, 2017 10:24:24 GMT
I'll try the idea above.
Btw, is my concept about party is wrong?
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Post by Katatora on Jul 21, 2017 0:46:49 GMT
A pt based of non-mainstream classes may not be effective as a meta, but think about this: While in a meta pt you probably know exactly what you have to do, in an alternative pt the players are forced to adapt themselves towards the situation and figure out how to optimize their moves to achieve the goal.
Even if I like to do the standard, I already experienced the other side and things went in a surprisingly good way. Besides, the second situation can make you understand more the other classes and increase your knwowledge, what is always welcome.
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Jul 21, 2017 2:39:27 GMT
Yep^^ I ran around 60 Tests on different leveling locations. I made a lot of Non-MS Party and watched their behaviors. Later before disbanding I asked how they felt.
90% Said - It was very great
Around 5% said - I could farm better EXP than that
And others - Laggy o.o
But yeah, comparing the happinness meter with all players, all of them said they were good. None is unhappy with parties so far in my test.
I ran tests with : BS Assassin, Beast Knight, Ninja, Sniper, Servant, Gladiator, Monk, Samurai.
I was a Tank Minstrel.
The test showed that partying is worth something. So I created this thread to raise awareness. But u know how it's going...
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Post by Brown on Jul 21, 2017 3:28:40 GMT
The current so called 'meta' which is 0/sk/mins/bish, this setup puts the bishop in the most pressure as its the party's sole life line
The 'non-meta' classes however bring something different onto the table, be it a gimmick or easing the support's role or heck even possible to do a hard boss farm with just an off-support as the main support or even no support at all. (up to current available skills in iruna)
Paladins- Has very high hate gain with guardian, and the ability to protect the pt from AoE
Gladiators- Has high dps, great self-sustain (its one of the classes that goes reaaallyy well with little to no support in a party)
Beast Knights- Its an off-tank, off-dps and depending on the needs of the party with the capability to give pt members their own AoE mitigation buff
Snipers- Gives the party immunity to 5 of the most common debuffs (poison,paralyze,blind,frozen,burn), along with skills that affect the party's hate
value (smoke drop for individual, Faint arrow affects the whole party)
Assassins-Very high dps, gives 2 immunity (Poison,paralyze), very good self-sustain, dark element buff and along with giving the party a head-start
with sicarius
Monks- A physical dps class with an advantage towards high def bosses, can increase the party's heal reward and its an off-support
Servant- Has many utilities with great hate control
Enchanters- Has great self-sustain, can be a decent tank, mp-er if need be, can sustain itself with no supports at all along with some utility
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Post by ❄️Misaki❄️ on Jul 21, 2017 4:34:43 GMT
I completed my Veleno set just because I could form parties. Usually collecting around 500m takes a lot time but i could do it in just two weeks. I think people should form parties of their own. Just needs 1 Tank, 2 DPS and a Support.
The above post should explain it a lot.
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Post by HaT®eD on Jul 21, 2017 7:56:05 GMT
Pally+cleric best 3i party ever... 1.8m-ish exp/15sec with good spawn... Harharhar
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Post by Katatora on Jul 21, 2017 18:06:23 GMT
Yep^^ I ran around 60 Tests on different leveling locations. I made a lot of Non-MS Party and watched their behaviors. Later before disbanding I asked how they felt. 90% Said - It was very great Around 5% said - I could farm better EXP than that And others - Laggy o.o But yeah, comparing the happinness meter with all players, all of them said they were good. None is unhappy with parties so far in my test. I ran tests with : BS Assassin, Beast Knight, Ninja, Sniper, Servant, Gladiator, Monk, Samurai. I was a Tank Minstrel. The test showed that partying is worth something. So I created this thread to raise awareness. But u know how it's going... Don't let comments against your argument discourage you. You're doing a good job of raising this kind of question and suggesting ways to solve the problem. |
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Post by nic123 on Jul 21, 2017 22:23:13 GMT
jus saying, walking might be fun or even running
but when u got 10 miles to travel the fastest way is by car or train, so why would you walk (this is basically meta players logic)
in jp the logic they use the anime fairy tales logic, friendship, friendship, friendship
even if its 4 assasins, they will get pots and grind together.
anyway addressing people saying meta puts strain on bishop
does it really?, there are different bosses, lets look at cordal, bishop just has to buff when boss is killed, and spam ressu inside, literally has to press one button during entire fight
lets look at sauro 2, same thing basically, i would say hw has hardest time in sauro2
gotta keep alive first of all, so u gotta keep distance, gotta use thunderbolt, bliz, then zero spam
if u die as a hw in sauro 2, u need to rebuff grigori which takes 10 seconds.
ive only played sauro 2 as hw perspective so i may be off
at parazaia i duo with hw and bish and bish definitely doesent have a large strain lol
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Post by rizen on Jul 22, 2017 1:32:18 GMT
jus saying, walking might be fun or even running but when u got 10 miles to travel the fastest way is by car or train, so why would you walk (this is basically meta players logic) in jp the logic they use the anime fairy tales logic, friendship, friendship, friendship even if its 4 assasins, they will get pots and grind together. anyway addressing people saying meta puts strain on bishop does it really?, there are different bosses, lets look at cordal, bishop just has to buff when boss is killed, and spam ressu inside, literally has to press one button during entire fight lets look at sauro 2, same thing basically, i would say hw has hardest time in sauro2 gotta keep alive first of all, so u gotta keep distance, gotta use thunderbolt, bliz, then zero spam if u die as a hw in sauro 2, u need to rebuff grigori which takes 10 seconds. ive only played sauro 2 as hw perspective so i may be off at parazaia i duo with hw and bish and bish definitely doesent have a large strain lol I disagree w/ you regarding bishops. I have experienced playing bishop in party farming( ie. raton, ouvel, cordal). Yes, most of the time you spam resu but you have 3 players to spam resu on. Next is maintaining the hp of minstrel ( most of the parties need/ require minstrel), having to switch from resu to heal then resu again while maintaining my, our hw, the other hw, and the minstrel' health and minding the debuffs of the boss+ stuns+hate+delay buff. Man i think that's hard. |
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Post by ♪Sumire on Jul 22, 2017 2:35:06 GMT
bishop with knowledge on how to adapt to multiple pt combination
minstrels that doesn't completely rely on bish(bring ur own pots for gods sake)(if bish is strained then there's lge use at least when there's an issue of an area or field DMG)(bring ur own veltria)
Hw - don't just stand there doing ur own stuff -support ur teammates(either help on reviving one of ur dead pt/mp healing/mirage(this can save ur tanks life and also ur bish when things goes south in just 1 sec)
Ninjas( sk or not ..bring ur own pots and veltria- being a bishop is not easy especially if there's 3 of u needing to be buffed/heal/cure with bright heal)
oh well that's how I see things should be done in my perspective..pretty sure its different for each one of us specially on the ms meta standards
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