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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on May 22, 2017 6:34:03 GMT
No need to because my friend did another test too and Spellbook v4 2s can't even beat Ritual Book v3 2s. And while that's that, the Spellbook v4 1s is weaker than Universe 1s and Spellbook v4 2s wins only a little against the Universe 1s. ive really been meaning to test this out for real, when im on full buff sbook, outdamages univ by a wider margin i only have 256 dex btw, so idk if its fair to test vs fbook, but ill try eventually, as for ritual book, id also have to test that tho i believe sbook would win either way i dont care, i want a universe 2s :3, goin for 2slotter wen its in shop Idk but the reason she rather keeps her ritual book and sold her spellbook coz it's weaker is very clear to me but yeah go for universe 2s is good idea but gambling for the 2 slotter.... I'm not goin to spent any money on this game 😂
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on May 22, 2017 6:41:53 GMT
No need to because my friend did another test too and Spellbook v4 2s can't even beat Ritual Book v3 2s. And while that's that, the Spellbook v4 1s is weaker than Universe 1s and Spellbook v4 2s wins only a little against the Universe 1s. You should tried atleast. If Emiriku's HW have lesser Dex than your Friend's HW then of course results FBook wins. You also say that Ritual Book 2s beats S.Book4 2s, well that depends on where he did use it against, Ritual Book gets upperhand against higher M.Def Enemies Ritual still wins regardless of enemies coz it's proven already against mobs and bosses and if according to ur formula then having cap dex wouldn't help FB becoz u make it look like universe lose on the formula yet universe is much more stronger than FB in any sense (11% MATK+350 at cap VS 9% MATK+215 at cap) the difference in raw matk for both is very clear in large gap yet FB stills manage to win against the spellbook so I still not 100% sure that ur formula accurate for zero ray without proper test (as it is already tested), if u talking about any other magic amplified by element I know that can be accurate (Imperial Blast, Mana Wave etc) As for Dark Book too it's already cleared
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Post by Zensui_X on May 22, 2017 6:43:57 GMT
So, if your friend makes a result showing that spell book is weaker. I assumes he/she does not have enough matk value to show spell book's full potential
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Post by nic123 on May 22, 2017 17:41:56 GMT
Here if we follow the formula nic123 got, Assumption: Base Matk: 10k Lets say at your lvl Universe Matk+% gives you a total of 35% alone without any xta Spell Book 4 11,000 x 9 x (1 + 3.5 + 0.1) x 1.5 x 1.2 = 819,720 Universe 13,500 x 9 x (1 + 3.5 + 0.1) x 1.5 = 838,350 we clearly see that Universe wins, but lets say we put xta for both of them, lets say any xta that boost matk by 20% Spell Book 4 13,000 x 9 x (1 + 3.5 + 0.1) x 1.5 x 1.2 = 968,760 Universe 15,500 x 9 x (1 + 3.5 + 0.1) x 1.5 = 962,550 then let's say you're in a party and was buffed by other class let's say the buff gives matk+100% Spell Book 4 23,000 x 9 x (1 + 3.5 + 0.1) x 1.5 x 1.2 = 1,713,960 Universe 25,500 x 9 x (1 + 3.5 + 0.1) x 1.5 = 1,583,550 That's the power of "Element" Magic+x%, I have shown you AizenSou [Quitting] already this formula it is somewhat in general though MATK x "ELEM" MAGIC x SKILL MULTIPLIER This is the reason why Dark Book is stronger than Necro Wand. I also manage to test out, Taenia Beret vs Druj Plume, Druj Plume wins with a little difference in damage, Although it is powerful I can't give up other stat Taenia offers. This is also the reason why Tellas beats Barotas on using other skills. with universe i have like 1k more matk than tellas, univ ger, tellas mezza on full buffs and in mobs with low defense would u guys believe the results?? tellas outdamages universe spellbook 2s outdamages universe regardless bcuz, 2s ofc i say this to say, dont sleep on magic+% lol, also zensui the end figure of the formula (1.2) idk how accurate that is, bcuz emi riko was testing all magic+10%, not neutral+10%. i can almost guarentee sbook for me will beat ritual, maybe ur friend got a low class sbook and has a high sr ritual.
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Post by nic123 on May 22, 2017 17:44:15 GMT
ive really been meaning to test this out for real, when im on full buff sbook, outdamages univ by a wider margin i only have 256 dex btw, so idk if its fair to test vs fbook, but ill try eventually, as for ritual book, id also have to test that tho i believe sbook would win either way i dont care, i want a universe 2s :3, goin for 2slotter wen its in shop Idk but the reason she rather keeps her ritual book and sold her spellbook coz it's weaker is very clear to me but yeah go for universe 2s is good idea but gambling for the 2 slotter.... I'm not goin to spent any money on this game 😂 i got 100$ gpc, didnt pay a cent :3 but even tho, im gonna buy another 50$ goc and open like 40 boxes, i enjoy the game so i dont mind paying
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Post by Zensui_X on May 22, 2017 20:24:32 GMT
with universe i have like 1k more matk than tellas, univ ger, tellas mezza on full buffs and in mobs with low defense would u guys believe the results?? tellas outdamages universe spellbook 2s outdamages universe regardless bcuz, 2s ofc i say this to say, dont sleep on magic+% lol, also zensui the end figure of the formula (1.2) idk how accurate that is, bcuz emi riko was testing all magic+10%, not neutral+10%. i can almost guarentee sbook for me will beat ritual, maybe ur friend got a low class sbook and has a high sr ritual. I always thought that all magic +x% = dark, light, neutral, fire, water, wind, earth magic +x%. Well isn't it was like that? I guess I was wrong... Tellas beats Universe well that's a news... Although effective only if against lower mdef mobs and boosted matk...
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Post by Zensui_X on May 22, 2017 23:38:01 GMT
nic123 since you are already there testing out 1s tellas vs 1s universe, with full buff from other class, try it as well with 1s spell book.. so we can have a greater view what All Magic +x% really does..
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Post by nic123 on May 23, 2017 1:56:59 GMT
nic123 since you are already there testing out 1s tellas vs 1s universe, with full buff from other class, try it as well with 1s spell book.. so we can have a greater view what All Magic +x% really does.. i dont have 1s spellbook, and my universe has iniliba in it now, i cant test it at the moment, farming mkrs mats but yea i already knew tellas beat univ on full buff, even againts sauro 350, in the beggining till around 1/4 hp, telllas hits harder on full buff (with alot if matk, i didnt take note...) as for the all magic thing, u might be right, i have no idea, tbh 3nitting band stats say magic+10%, like exorciser cocoa beans, so idk the difference
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on May 23, 2017 6:30:08 GMT
So, if your friend makes a result showing that spell book is weaker. I assumes he/she does not have enough matk value to show spell book's full potential Yeah she only had 19k MATK with full buff sorry about that i don't think her MATK can draw spellbook full potential then. Good luck with ur spellbook then, and Ciel re up has neutral magic+10% too go for it it's pretty useful.
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Post by nic123 on May 23, 2017 17:44:17 GMT
So, if your friend makes a result showing that spell book is weaker. I assumes he/she does not have enough matk value to show spell book's full potential Yeah she only had 19k MATK with full buff sorry about that i don't think her MATK can draw spellbook full potential then. Good luck with ur spellbook then, and Ciel re up has neutral magic+10% too go for it it's pretty useful. ur friend does not have 19k matk full buff lol, *unless she is using consumables and apos*etc, even emi riko level 362hw with mkrs, f.a.w, universe 2s, has 20k, sorry to be a hater, but let her ss it and post it here lol, with 19k matk sbook wud definitely beat ritual as for ciel re up, neutral magic isnt as effective as matk+% so i think f.a.w, taenia is better note: f.a.w is fallen angel wing (20%matk)
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Post by nic123 on May 23, 2017 17:51:52 GMT
So, if your friend makes a result showing that spell book is weaker. I assumes he/she does not have enough matk value to show spell book's full potential Yeah she only had 19k MATK with full buff sorry about that i don't think her MATK can draw spellbook full potential then. Good luck with ur spellbook then, and Ciel re up has neutral magic+10% too go for it it's pretty useful. Yeah but if she was to compared to LV 360 HW with same gears set up (same 2s books or even 2s Universe) ofc she would lose with little margin but if the LV 360 HW use common 1s rod like say Universe then they only doing 1M-1.2M normally that's too with full set MATK like Dunkelis II on add while my friend can easily reach 1.3M with just Tarna but another Gerust on weapon. Ofc with stronger xtal like Dunkelis II you can go more than that. u said that, 19k matk and doing 1.3m?? nahhh, i have 2k less matk than her with full buff and i hit harder with sbook so if she really does have 19k matk, sbook is really op
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on May 23, 2017 20:43:18 GMT
Yeah she only had 19k MATK with full buff sorry about that i don't think her MATK can draw spellbook full potential then. Good luck with ur spellbook then, and Ciel re up has neutral magic+10% too go for it it's pretty useful. Yeah but if she was to compared to LV 360 HW with same gears set up (same 2s books or even 2s Universe) ofc she would lose with little margin but if the LV 360 HW use common 1s rod like say Universe then they only doing 1M-1.2M normally that's too with full set MATK like Dunkelis II on add while my friend can easily reach 1.3M with just Tarna but another Gerust on weapon. Ofc with stronger xtal like Dunkelis II you can go more than that. Â u said that, Â 19k matk and doing 1.3m?? nahhh, i have 2k less matk than her with full buff and i hit harder with sbook so if she really does have 19k matk, sbook is really op 1.3M doin with no full buff I clearly didn't say it was full buffed just said can easily reach 1.3M because that's over a normal HW usually do (1.2M upper limit and normal HW means no fancy 2s stuffs and etc) and 19K with no spellbook, there's no way she reached 19K with spellbook lol and I didn't say her 19K using spellbook just said she could reach that which make, IF, with that MATK could draw the spellbook potential or not, but well I don't really care. Good luck with ur spellbook, again.
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Post by nic123 on May 23, 2017 22:23:09 GMT
Yeah but if she was to compared to LV 360 HW with same gears set up (same 2s books or even 2s Universe) ofc she would lose with little margin but if the LV 360 HW use common 1s rod like say Universe then they only doing 1M-1.2M normally that's too with full set MATK like Dunkelis II on add while my friend can easily reach 1.3M with just Tarna but another Gerust on weapon. Ofc with stronger xtal like Dunkelis II you can go more than that. u said that, 19k matk and doing 1.3m?? nahhh, i have 2k less matk than her with full buff and i hit harder with sbook so if she really does have 19k matk, sbook is really op 1.3M doin with no full buff I clearly didn't say it was full buffed just said can easily reach 1.3M because that's over a normal HW usually do (1.2M upper limit and normal HW means no fancy 2s stuffs and etc) and 19K with no spellbook, there's no way she reached 19K with spellbook lol and I didn't say her 19K using spellbook just said she could reach that which make, IF, with that MATK could draw the spellbook potential or not, but well I don't really care. Good luck with ur spellbook, again. lol alright dude.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on May 24, 2017 0:24:28 GMT
This thread... lol. A 1.3m zero..nope. 19k Matk... Super Nope And what is "full buff"? Candy bags, spell burst, spell boost, minstrel, bishop buff, servant connect etc etc etc? Because even with all of that you still shouldnt reach 19k especially in ENG version.
A High wizard's base MATK should be around 4k...BASE meaning no additives. Gear xtals buffs etc. But I'll high ball and say 5k base
Now to hit 19k Matk with a high balled 5k base you would need over 380% MATK to get to that.
Anyways to what I was really meaning to post:
There is NO WINNER. both can out damage each other. What works for me wont work for everyone else and vice versa. Why?
1.Universe is level dependent with MATK. The higher your level and the higher your base the more universe will out damage. Matk is the 2nd step to the equation and it's multiplied by 9. Because it is a pretty high multiplier, universe's high matk output can out damage Spell book at a higher level.
2. Spell book has a HIGH Magic % so in order to make that better you need to have high MATK. In that formula Magic % a multiplier at the END...BUT if you dont have enough matk then the end multiplier wont have enough MATK to multiply. SO usually this will be better at lower levels.
Best result imo would be (for PURE DAMAGE) Lv.350
Megi rod/Universe(gerust) Struggler/wargivel druj plume/Dunk 2 Magic amp or oricha hexi/agira jarma
Zolte Ouvel jusal sauro pariza or maybe enina but im not sure how thats calcuated
there you have a good mix between the highest matk and neutral magic %
Or if you are using spell book youll want to go for a more MATK base
Spellbook gerust strug mendona tiana beret dunk 2 hex or magic amp agira
pariza jusal ouvel bergen zazel
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Post by nic123 on May 24, 2017 0:57:43 GMT
This thread... lol. A 1.3m zero..nope. 19k Matk... Super Nope And what is "full buff"? Candy bags, spell burst, spell boost, minstrel, bishop buff, servant connect etc etc etc? Because even with all of that you still shouldnt reach 19k especially in ENG version. A High wizard's base MATK should be around 4k...BASE meaning no additives. Gear xtals buffs etc. But I'll high ball and say 5k base Now to hit 19k Matk with a high balled 5k base you would need over 380% MATK to get to that. Anyways to what I was really meaning to post: There is NO WINNER. both can out damage each other. What works for me wont work for everyone else and vice versa. Why? 1.Universe is level dependent with MATK. The higher your level and the higher your base the more universe will out damage. Matk is the 2nd step to the equation and it's multiplied by 9. Because it is a pretty high multiplier, universe's high matk output can out damage Spell book at a higher level. 2. Spell book has a HIGH Magic % so in order to make that better you need to have high MATK. In that formula Magic % a multiplier at the END...BUT if you dont have enough matk then the end multiplier wont have enough MATK to multiply. SO usually this will be better at lower levels. Best result imo would be (for PURE DAMAGE) Lv.350 Megi rod/Universe(gerust) Struggler/wargivel druj plume/Dunk 2 Magic amp or oricha hexi/agira jarma Zolte Ouvel jusal sauro pariza or maybe enina but im not sure how thats calcuated there you have a good mix between the highest matk and neutral magic % Or if you are using spell book youll want to go for a more MATK base Spellbook gerust strug mendona tiana beret dunk 2 hex or magic amp agira pariza jusal ouvel bergen zazel didnt wanna accuse him of lying lol, but i do 1.3-1.4m full pt, mins and bish buff, no consumables, cap hw, 2s stuff, only thing is im a sb hw with 400crit, so i thought ok 1.3m full buff seems fine for a matk hw at level 330 then he says 19k matk and not full buff. just gotta tune off at that point. as for my equips and als i have all the listed als, beside zazel and bergen (enina, sauro 2 is better than both for dmg, enina adds more matk than jusal to) anyway, check out first page, the formula for zero ray is there, as well as magical king ring notes. it has a hidden all magic+10%, which may potentailly be a better boost than matk+20% if all magic+10% is the same thing as magic+10%, mkr is gonna be beast
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