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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 14, 2014 6:58:06 GMT
The only gear that will be different is your weapon(might want to consider using throwing weapons for a while) and special equip(fearsome claw instead of lotus seeds).
Crystals are different. If you want to just use Magic Swords: At first, when you have very low CRT, you are going to want to use hit xtals so you don't miss everything. Hit 20 is fine and super easy to get but you would only need like 2 tarantes if you can get those. After around 80-100 CRT you can switch to Aello/HImmel for more crit rate. Then when you feel you are doing enough crits and not misses you can start to get matk xtals. If you are willing to use throwing weapons that aren't flabellum: You can probably get away with skipping the hit xtals and go straight for the crit rate ones and then do matk xtals when you are comfortable and eventually switch to magic swords.
Throwing weapons I would recommend are: Throwing knife because it has decent attack, an EVA bonus, and is cheap, Kushifosu(don't know English translation, dropped by Rossam) because of the 20% ASPD bonus, or Fuma for the matk.
Get 200-256 INT, then 135 AGI(or what you need for max ASPD with Kushifosu), then Max CRT, finish maxing INT whenever.
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>>Mikasa<<
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Post by >>Mikasa<< on Jan 14, 2014 7:33:21 GMT
The only gear that will be different is your weapon(might want to consider using throwing weapons for a while) and special equip(fearsome claw instead of lotus seeds). Crystals are different. If you want to just use Magic Swords: At first, when you have very low CRT, you are going to want to use hit xtals so you don't miss everything. Hit 20 is fine and super easy to get but you would only need like 2 tarantes if you can get those. After around 80-100 CRT you can switch to Aello/HImmel for more crit rate. Then when you feel you are doing enough crits and not misses you can start to get matk xtals. If you are willing to use throwing weapons that aren't flabellum: You can probably get away with skipping the hit xtals and go straight for the crit rate ones and then do matk xtals when you are comfortable and eventually switch to magic swords. Throwing weapons I would recommend are: Throwing knife because it has decent attack, an EVA bonus, and is cheap, Kushifosu(don't know English translation, dropped by Rossam) because of the 20% ASPD bonus, or Fuma for the matk. Get 200-256 INT, then 135 AGI(or what you need for max ASPD with Kushifosu), then Max CRT, finish maxing INT whenever. Thanks, this guide help me a lot ^^ Kushifosu is Xiphos or wuteva, i think i'll go grab Xiphos or Flabellum...
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tasm
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Post by tasm on Jan 14, 2014 13:10:40 GMT
@hashihime 90crt, 3himmel, then remove 1 himmel for every 30crt. Or, get a throwng weapon with +30crt rate and 90crt.
You'll have 70%crt rate, and should be fine until int max and/or aspd max. ___ There are a couple build options with crt.
First, would be the dmg option where you cap crt quickly.
Second, would be the option where you only leave enough crt to crt with every hit, and, then, focus on other stats.
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jbazt
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Post by jbazt on Jan 15, 2014 8:05:27 GMT
I dont know if enchanters wanna be saw the other possible builds coming in game slowly. it might be just me and my wild imagination, but i will state some facts present in game now to support that other stats can go well too. possible other stats: INT 256 AG1 256 DEX rest VIT optional Gears: all the wepons/gears popular for your band wagon build. + Staffs,Books,Magic amplifier facts: AGI256* to increase your triggered skills damage using magic amplifier+books/cane/staff/rods -i just noticed some of this weapons can be also use by enchanters -Spellbook -Amulet -Book of Darkness -Trident -Book of the ice -Anonymous ritual manual -Dierita most of them got autoskill after the upgrades, you can still utilize the Manaban SLv1(hope it'll be here later), your max aspd will increase a bit and can utilize Magic amplifier. downside is you might loose some addition +atk dmg from your magic sword. * for evasion to dodge normal atks - evasion from 256 agi might not be enought to dodge most bosses normal atk. my enchanter got 180agi so far, when i use sinbad upg and when autoskill triggered my eva becomes 700+! with my high autoskill %, buffs is like looping automatically. i think martar xtal will do the same. take a look at this AVD value required for status / avoidancelink. thats the amount of evasion you need to dodge normal atks from specific mobs/boss listed for all class. so im wondering if having 256agi+sinbad/martar xtal be enought for me to dodge Intel filter cable's atk + i got drain + stoneskin. i will try it out soon XD. then again, this is only an option. having maxed agi doesnt destroy your enchanter, you can still use the well known recommended stuffs. only allows you to try other possible stuffs offered in game which is nice in my own opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 13:19:04 GMT
I dont know if enchanters wanna be saw the other possible builds coming in game slowly. it might be just me and my wild imagination, but i will state some facts present in game now to support that other stats can go well too. possible other stats: INT 256 AG1 256 DEX rest VIT optional Gears: all the wepons/gears popular for your band wagon build. + Staffs,Books,Magic amplifier facts: AGI256* to increase your triggered skills damage using magic amplifier+books/cane/staff/rods -i just noticed some of this weapons can be also use by enchanters -Spellbook -Amulet -Book of Darkness -Trident -Book of the ice -Anonymous ritual manual -Dierita most of them got autoskill after the upgrades, you can still utilize the Manaban SLv1(hope it'll be here later), your max aspd will increase a bit and can utilize Magic amplifier. downside is you might loose some addition +atk dmg from your magic sword. * for evasion to dodge normal atks - evasion from 256 agi might not be enought to dodge most bosses normal atk. my enchanter got 180agi so far, when i use sinbad upg and when autoskill triggered my eva becomes 700+! with my high autoskill %, buffs is like looping automatically. i think martar xtal will do the same. take a look at this AVD value required for status / avoidancelink. thats the amount of evasion you need to dodge normal atks from specific mobs/boss listed for all class. so im wondering if having 256agi+sinbad/martar xtal be enought for me to dodge Intel filter cable's atk + i got drain + stoneskin. i will try it out soon XD. then again, this is only an option. having maxed agi doesnt destroy your enchanter, you can still use the well known recommended stuffs. only allows you to try other possible stuffs offered in game which is nice in my own opinion. Magic wand is meant to be used for enchanter as well. 1 damage per int from a normal staff vs a magic staffs 2.5 is a huge diff. All those staffs listed dont have an autoskill now or they make it so that you are 90% relying on autoskill to win. Witch knife should be added to that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 13:29:41 GMT
Lol im super noob enchanter. Anyway i do hate the fact that a witch knife is slower than a magic sword -_- witch knife gives an option for another not-at-all popular enchanter build. the Int/Agi/Str. only works @ high lvl for lack of accuracy. this build makes possible to use a better autoskill rod such as the amulet sword. an upgrade of amulet. autoskill+5% matk+3%. more dmg but very unusual. Str itself already sounds weird. The STR seems sooooo unneeded. No accuracy stat and all it does is give damage. dex would have every advantage over str. i cant see why jp players would even consider that build. even if ot is maxed and they can switch to a normal sword, accuracy and autoskill damage will suffer.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 15, 2014 13:58:40 GMT
I dont know if enchanters wanna be saw the other possible builds coming in game slowly. it might be just me and my wild imagination, but i will state some facts present in game now to support that other stats can go well too. possible other stats: INT 256 AG1 256 DEX rest VIT optional Gears: all the wepons/gears popular for your band wagon build. + Staffs,Books,Magic amplifier facts: AGI256* to increase your triggered skills damage using magic amplifier+books/cane/staff/rods -i just noticed some of this weapons can be also use by enchanters -Spellbook -Amulet -Book of Darkness -Trident -Book of the ice -Anonymous ritual manual -Dierita most of them got autoskill after the upgrades, you can still utilize the Manaban SLv1(hope it'll be here later), your max aspd will increase a bit and can utilize Magic amplifier. downside is you might loose some addition +atk dmg from your magic sword. * for evasion to dodge normal atks - evasion from 256 agi might not be enought to dodge most bosses normal atk. my enchanter got 180agi so far, when i use sinbad upg and when autoskill triggered my eva becomes 700+! with my high autoskill %, buffs is like looping automatically. i think martar xtal will do the same. take a look at this AVD value required for status / avoidancelink. thats the amount of evasion you need to dodge normal atks from specific mobs/boss listed for all class. so im wondering if having 256agi+sinbad/martar xtal be enought for me to dodge Intel filter cable's atk + i got drain + stoneskin. i will try it out soon XD. then again, this is only an option. having maxed agi doesnt destroy your enchanter, you can still use the well known recommended stuffs. only allows you to try other possible stuffs offered in game which is nice in my own opinion. You will probably need to add DEX before you max AGI, but the possibility of Magic Amp does exist. The problem is that the regular staffs kind of suck and Witch Knife is pretty much crap in my experience. If they release a good magic wand I will include Magic Amp but right now nah.
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Post by crazybrker on Jan 15, 2014 19:53:11 GMT
I ended up restating my 133 Enchanter. Before Int 256 Agi 76 Dex 53 ish Vit 15
Now Int 200 Agi 185 Vit 20 Dex/Crt/Str 1
Results: Reduced INT from my previous MAX INT build definitely lowers my damage and my auto Manawaves do a lot less damage. Going from DEX over to AGI helped hit max ASPD without gear (had Auler UP + Blaiard) now that I have more choices in gear I was able to use Ciel + HIT+20. AGI also helps take a couple less hits. with the Dex build I got hit 99% of the time. Even at 185 I dodge a bit of the time. Is there a max to evasion? I do miss quite a bit even on some lower lvl mobs like bandit, but it seems like most bosses have a low dodge rate and I hit them 95+% of the time even Matar, Matadora, and Finster... Do need a better xtal for more hot for regular mobs though...
Pro: Take less hits, swing faster, able to use Ciel Cons: Can't hit certain mobs and have to switch to fire lance, slow casting and buffs (not too important), must have HIT xtals if 1 Dex build, lower per hit damage.
It's survivable, but I think with more AGI, VIT and HIT xals it will be a great build.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 21:32:43 GMT
I ended up restating my 133 Enchanter. Before Int 256 Agi 76 Dex 53 ish Vit 15 Now Int 200 Agi 185 Vit 20 Dex/Crt/Str 1 Results: Reduced INT from my previous MAX INT build definitely lowers my damage and my auto Manawaves do a lot less damage. Going from DEX over to AGI helped hit max ASPD without gear (had Auler UP + Blaiard) now that I have more choices in gear I was able to use Ciel + HIT+20. AGI also helps take a couple less hits. with the Dex build I got hit 99% of the time. Even at 185 I dodge a bit of the time. Is there a max to evasion? I do miss quite a bit even on some lower lvl mobs like bandit, but it seems like most bosses have a low dodge rate and I hit them 95+% of the time even Matar, Matadora, and Finster... Do need a better xtal for more hot for regular mobs though... Pro: Take less hits, swing faster, able to use Ciel Cons: Can't hit certain mobs and have to switch to fire lance, slow casting and buffs (not too important), must have HIT xtals if 1 Dex build, lower per hit damage. It's survivable, but I think with more AGI, VIT and HIT xals it will be a great build. Sounds a lot like my build minus all the essentials. For HIT and damage add tarante xtals. My character uses 3 at once and i can hit any regular mob ingame. I cannot hit a lot of bosses from ganji on up. HIT+20-30 wont cut it outside of elban. For more evasion a sinbad2 is best. You may or may not have one but just letting you know its definently key in this stat set.
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jbazt
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Post by jbazt on Jan 15, 2014 23:23:16 GMT
Yeah I forgot about magic wands. Thought ice/dark book will trigger skills later. But I'm 100% sure dielita does manawave now.
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Post by Lycca on Jan 15, 2014 23:54:12 GMT
whats difference magic staff and normal staff? O.O
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 0:03:43 GMT
whats difference magic staff and normal staff? O.O Magic staff gets 2.5 damage per INT and 1 damage per STR Normal staff gets 1 damage per INT and 3 damage per STR
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Post by Lycca on Jan 16, 2014 0:06:07 GMT
so whats normal staff? and whats magic?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 0:26:58 GMT
so whats normal staff? and whats magic? Witch knife is magic. any other staff out now is not magic.
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Koikoi
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Post by Koikoi on Jan 16, 2014 0:49:28 GMT
♡(ゝ。∂)♥ So Magic staff vs Magic Sword, which one is better for dex builds? 0.0
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