ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on Feb 14, 2016 0:11:49 GMT
Welcome Nins (or curious snipers...or even Throw Nins)
I have gone through lots of builds..before delay allowed for high clone DoC
But Now
I hear delay allows for 9 DoC spam
(if thats wrong...lets see how close it is later)
My questions since it has been awhile since i had reg bow (dex/str)
1) Which bows are ruling the reg bow nin world? ( I was using diabolos)
2) Gears you're using? (bows, exe3, add, thimble/AAS etc.)
3) How much eva are you sacrificing and does throw doc nin have better survival chances?
*remember having to clone alot if I didnt 1hit a boss because I had no stats in agi.
**I know Dex does not affect DoC delay please don't make up random info about that xD
gogogo
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Post by Umaru-chan on Feb 14, 2016 5:09:20 GMT
Raijodo(bow from prod) seems nice Reg Bow Nin kinda rare so mostly ive seen use 2s bows or those with -sd, like illusion/Symbios/Failnaught im really tempted to make my ench either a samu or DoC spam or fike Nin but sadly dont have access to stefly idk how many secs is needed to fully spam 9clones but im thinking of the regular set Barb Up Raton Exe 3 Dorry raijodo/illusion/failnaught/symbios Pulis or Ganei accessory QC5 AAns/s if lucky Core Al: Chetil and other -skill delay als others equips with QC abi if -sd not enough  |
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Roxzen
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Post by Roxzen on Feb 14, 2016 5:26:57 GMT
Raijodo(bow from prod) seems nice Reg Bow Nin kinda rare so mostly ive seen use 2s bows or those with -sd, like illusion/Symbios/Failnaught im really tempted to make my ench either a samu or DoC spam or fike Nin but sadly dont have access to stefly idk how many secs is needed to fully spam 9clones but im thinking of the regular set Barb Up Raton Exe 3 Dorry raijodo/illusion/failnaught/symbios Pulis or Ganei accessory QC5 AAns/s if lucky Core Al: Chetil and other -skill delay als others equips with QC abi if -sd not enough 8 seconds bc 1 clone = 1 sec of delay |
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Post by Cerulean on Feb 14, 2016 21:38:58 GMT
Welcome Nins (or curious snipers...or even Throw Nins)
I have gone through lots of builds..before delay allowed for high clone DoC
But Now
I hear delay allows for 9 DoC spam
(if thats wrong...lets see how close it is later)
My questions since it has been awhile since i had reg bow (dex/str)
1) Which bows are ruling the reg bow nin world? ( I was using diabolos)
2) Gears you're using? (bows, exe3, add, thimble/AAS etc.)
3) How much eva are you sacrificing and does throw doc nin have better survival chances?
*remember having to clone alot if I didnt 1hit a boss because I had no stats in agi.
**I know Dex does not affect DoC delay please don't make up random info about that xD
gogogo Any weapon type can be doc spam without Agi and survive pretty well, just need 8 green lines (or 4green 4 yellow if you have quick turn) and green line boost and it'll put you with Agi 650-700 eva |
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ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on Feb 14, 2016 21:51:53 GMT
Any weapon type can be doc spam without Agi and survive pretty well, just need 8 green lines (or 4green 4 yellow if you have quick turn) and green line boost and it'll put you with Agi 650-700 eva This is great. Yes to having quick turn of course I forgot about GR line boost xD |
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Post by Umaru-chan on Feb 15, 2016 6:08:51 GMT
Welcome Nins (or curious snipers...or even Throw Nins)
I have gone through lots of builds..before delay allowed for high clone DoC
But Now
I hear delay allows for 9 DoC spam
(if thats wrong...lets see how close it is later)
My questions since it has been awhile since i had reg bow (dex/str)
1) Which bows are ruling the reg bow nin world? ( I was using diabolos)
2) Gears you're using? (bows, exe3, add, thimble/AAS etc.)
3) How much eva are you sacrificing and does throw doc nin have better survival chances?
*remember having to clone alot if I didnt 1hit a boss because I had no stats in agi.
**I know Dex does not affect DoC delay please don't make up random info about that xD
gogogo Any weapon type can be doc spam without Agi and survive pretty well, just need 8 green lines (or 4green 4 yellow if you have quick turn) and green line boost and it'll put you with Agi 650-700 eva This might be better than pure yellow since from what i know, yellow is not atk% but just gives some +atk |
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Post by Cerulean on Feb 15, 2016 8:14:01 GMT
Any weapon type can be doc spam without Agi and survive pretty well, just need 8 green lines (or 4green 4 yellow if you have quick turn) and green line boost and it'll put you with Agi 650-700 eva This is great. Yes to having quick turn of course I forgot about GR line boost xD it might even offer better then an Agi build due to the added effect of absolute evasion and magic evasion |
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Post by Cerulean on Feb 15, 2016 8:15:46 GMT
Any weapon type can be doc spam without Agi and survive pretty well, just need 8 green lines (or 4green 4 yellow if you have quick turn) and green line boost and it'll put you with Agi 650-700 eva This might be better than pure yellow since from what i know, yellow is not atk% but just gives some +atk I think it adds it before atk+% so it could add potentially a good amount but I think the increased survivability would be more effective |
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ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on Feb 17, 2016 6:54:22 GMT
Picking up some momentum with the build and gears.
Now just to buy the last of the abilities (or farm. meh)
Looking at either Raijodo or Diabolos2 (cause I already have 1)
pros of raijodo: it has -1sec sd
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I hear that diabolos still puts out the most dmg. That will be personal preference though.
For those curious- since dex does not actually affect DoC I'll be primarily focused on Str (to make up for qc -atk) and Crit (since doc is affected) with dex as 3rd or even 4th after GL
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ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on Feb 17, 2016 6:56:47 GMT
Any weapon type can be doc spam without Agi and survive pretty well, just need 8 green lines (or 4green 4 yellow if you have quick turn) and green line boost and it'll put you with Agi 650-700 eva This might be better than pure yellow since from what i know, yellow is not atk% but just gives some +atk From past as a fike nin yllw does add a surprising amount of dmg (not more than 2k+) but it does add it directly to your attack stat number. |
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Post by Cerulean on Feb 17, 2016 16:57:13 GMT
Picking up some momentum with the build and gears. Now just to buy the last of the abilities (or farm. meh) Looking at either Raijodo or Diabolos2 (cause I already have 1) pros of raijodo: it has -1sec sd but I hear that diabolos still puts out the most dmg. That will be personal preference though. For those curious- since dex does not actually affect DoC I'll be primarily focused on Str (to make up for qc -atk) and Crit (since doc is affected) with dex as 3rd or even 4th after GL I don't think rai would be a good choice cause the con is mp cost up if Agi is low and it's a big percent I believe |
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 20, 2016 6:44:46 GMT
From a sniper stand point elemental bows do the most damage. However these lack skill delay, but doesn't diablos have +0.5 second skill delay?
There is Rising ray, with thunder element and -0.5 second skill delay, which would be optimal at megaroche.
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Post by Cerulean on Feb 20, 2016 17:50:31 GMT
From a sniper stand point elemental bows do the most damage. However these lack skill delay, but doesn't diablos have +0.5 second skill delay? There is Rising ray, with thunder element and -0.5 second skill delay, which would be optimal at megaroche. For doc since it's your normal attack crit damage that hits 9 multipul times and not as a whole, element doesn't offer as much as a atk+% would, it's like arrow rain you gain more if you increase a base and most doc spam hits 17-20k per doc clone depending on mob the atk-% from all the quick cool would be better cut with atk+% vs element +% And yeah it has a +.5 sd but Diablos2 pulis QC -.6 Tentasion (whichever) QC -2.6 Barb QC -1.6 Acc QC -.6 Cheltil -1 Maelriel -.5 D.stone QC (what I prefer) -.6 Puts you at -7.5 which is only off of max speed with 9 clones by .5 so either food for solo or pt a bish with quick and swap out that tents for ex3 and spam 9 anyways |
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 20, 2016 20:43:41 GMT
From a sniper stand point elemental bows do the most damage. However these lack skill delay, but doesn't diablos have +0.5 second skill delay? There is Rising ray, with thunder element and -0.5 second skill delay, which would be optimal at megaroche. For doc since it's your normal attack crit damage that hits 9 multipul times and not as a whole, element doesn't offer as much as a atk+% would, it's like arrow rain you gain more if you increase a base and most doc spam hits 17-20k per doc clone depending on mob the atk-% from all the quick cool would be better cut with atk+% vs element +% And yeah it has a +.5 sd but Diablos2 pulis QC -.6 Tentasion (whichever) QC -2.6 Barb QC -1.6 Acc QC -.6 Cheltil -1 Maelriel -.5 D.stone QC (what I prefer) -.6 Puts you at -7.5 which is only off of max speed with 9 clones by .5 so either food for solo or pt a bish with quick and swap out that tents for ex3 and spam 9 anyways Would it not be better to permanently use exe3 QC? I think it would be more effective to spam with 8 clones and +3% atk rather than lacking the .5 of 9 clones and -6% atk. As you said it's more beneficial to increase your base atk, the -6% on tentacion might not seem like a lot but combined with 5 QC this puts you at -21% atk. |
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ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on Feb 20, 2016 20:53:07 GMT
From a sniper stand point elemental bows do the most damage. However these lack skill delay, but doesn't diablos have +0.5 second skill delay? There is Rising ray, with thunder element and -0.5 second skill delay, which would be optimal at megaroche. For doc since it's your normal attack crit damage that hits 9 multipul times and not as a whole, element doesn't offer as much as a atk+% would, it's like arrow rain you gain more if you increase a base and most doc spam hits 17-20k per doc clone depending on mob the atk-% from all the quick cool would be better cut with atk+% vs element +% And yeah it has a +.5 sd but Diablos2 pulis QC -.6 Tentasion (whichever) QC -2.6 Barb QC -1.6 Acc QC -.6 Cheltil -1 Maelriel -.5 D.stone QC (what I prefer) -.6 Puts you at -7.5 which is only off of max speed with 9 clones by .5 so either food for solo or pt a bish with quick and swap out that tents for ex3 and spam 9 anyways This ^ I really prefer just 1 or 2 weapons with high +atk/+crit. (I'd like to use raijodo to offset qc but it seems like the mp cost is too much xD )multiple gears just gets to be too much of a hassle imo Currently I'll be using pretty much that gear set Cerulean said: except instead of D.Stone I'll have Kongo Arrows (1.1 atk per str) and armor exe3 (maybe tentacion after the event comes around) Bows for solo it looks like it will be between Vio reup pulis atk5 and Diabolos2 pulis QC the vio gives my set more than -8sec and the diabolos would put me around 7... so I'd use mainly for pt with bish or if I need to 1hit a mob the biggest question I have atm is if raton would actually give me more damage than vida (crit% vs atk%) due to qc lowering atk so much. |
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