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Post by LeviDane on Sept 2, 2015 22:15:20 GMT
Made a short video showing off mine and Erza's gladiators.
Gladiator has a lot higher dps than most people know. 1sec tempest spam doing 115k+ (No ignite)
Also I can't wait for new 260 skills! Gladiator will be one of the best solo classes.
Hope you enjoy
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Post by •Azure• on Sept 9, 2015 1:48:09 GMT
I wanna make a glad but I'm trying to figue out was stats compliment a glad the most I thought mabie str/Dex/vit/agl Dex cause I feel like in terms of dps spamming skills can do more DMg than crit having to wait for skills and agl for aspd and Eva :0 but I know nothing of gladi can you help me out on that?  |
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 3:52:18 GMT
I wanna make a glad but I'm trying to figue out was stats compliment a glad the most I thought mabie str/Dex/vit/agl Dex cause I feel like in terms of dps spamming skills can do more DMg than crit having to wait for skills and agl for aspd and Eva :0 but I know nothing of gladi can you help me out on that? CRIT is better than DEX for dps. If you skip CRIT, that'd be one weakass gladiator. Gladiators can already be on the weak side of classes without proper gear (even with good stats), so imagine if its stats will be effed up too. You can already achieve max aspd (Interfike fast) with Berserk or Sword Tempest and evasion is less preferable than Cross Counter damage based on CRT (I personally think this one is the highest damager of all glad skills). Also, you'd want use Esperanza a lot on solo encounters, that skill turns your evasion to 1. Invest on VIT, CRT and STR. Those make a good gladiaor. What makes a great gladiator is his equipment though. Skill Delay from DEX can easily be achieved with equipment now. (You'd want to be able to spam Pillar and Solid Skin, total of 2 seconds). If you want to spam Sword Tempest without spending any stats in DEX, you can invest in good equips and Quick Cool abilities (prepare to shell out tens or hundreds of millions like those guys in the video). Just my opinion based on my personal experience. Feel free to experiment builds t hen end up deleting them. Kidding! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 6:35:41 GMT
Great post out there. I am bored already with my Gladiator seems it feels I dont make any progress from the last 5months after creating it. Seems My treatment towards my Sniper and my all time favorite Gladi will be equal now ~~ Now modifying my GLD OP Appreciated |
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Post by LeviDane on Sept 9, 2015 12:44:27 GMT
I think i'll let the secret out the bag  . I haven't seen anyone suggest the best build for gladiator yet (in my opinion) I've tried pretty much all the most common builds over the last few years and I can honestly say my current build is far superior. New gladiators should focus on STR/CRT/VIT. When you get access to more points go for some DEX. STR/CRT/VIT/DEX - This is an all round build. Not the strongest damage wise but still decent. Good survivability due to high hp. Also this is a good build for solo play. STR/CRT/DEX/AGI/VIT - *I only changed to this build 2 weeks ago* Firstly I'll say you cannot do this build unless you are a high level (270+) with decent/high apostolia levels because you need a lot of stat points. This is my new build and by far the strongest. I'll try to explain why it's so good. STR and CRT are a must for a gladiator. I don't have to explain why. DEX increases atk, and decreases skill delay (Very important for spamming) AGI *IS NOT USELESS* This is probably the most overlooked stat for a gladiator. It increases tempest damage by a lot. Tempest at 92%+ gives me roughly 1k eva. This makes up for the fact you have less vit. You will rarely be getting touched and stone skin is your back up. VIT is good for hp. In this build you don't need much at all. This build lets me do tempest at 100k+ with only gladiator buffs (no esperenza or ignite). With esperenza 120k (ish) with Ignite 155k+. Just for the record with full Bish buffs and a Mins I was spamming 186k tempest every second. I believe that's the highest so far for a gladiator. I think Erza is in second with 175k+. I would love to see everyone else attempt to surpass this. I still have a few things to get and level my apostolia so I think I could achieve 200k tempest spam very soon. Because of the high evasion from AGI and tempest you don't need much VIT. Just make sure you have Stone Skin on and If you do get hit it shouldnt matter. My hp is 15k ish with only my buffs. but 20k plus if im in a PT. Even when grinding baums, tempest spamming on 3 mobs I do 50k+ a sec with mins and bish. Or 40k ish without. Plus tempest pulls in all mobs from nearly anywhere on the map. So with a HW spamming Earthquake and me spamming Tempest all the mobs come to me instantly. Making gladiator a powerful tank. Once they're in close I just use pillar instead and do 60-70k a second each. When I'm in a PT with people they always compliment my gladiator and are suprised by how strong they can be. Now playing a gladiator is fun again. However, another downside of a gladiator is to be really good you need expensive equipment. This is all my opinion but i've only seen maybe 2/3 other gladiators that are doing this. Gladiators are under rated and we need to put them back on the map. Especially with the new skill coming out which is really helpful I can't wait. Also warcry 4 and double attack 4. It will make a gladiator even stronger! |
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 13:45:51 GMT
Thanks for sharing this.
My concern though is cost. An average player cannot afford 2 slot weapons or slotted decent specs (like the 1bil Myrica) to make an Agi or Tempest spam build viable. If you're gonna use a 'cheap set', you'd either have to deal with lower damage boost from exe3 or montol or lower level qc penalty.
Also can 1k eva stand evade against ep3 bosses? Maybe for weaker physical bosses like Vida and Beelzenoid. I was solo farming Gate Guard ealier (to get 1 uncommon for Claiomh Soalis) and its Issen-like attack (the animation looks like that) broke my 45k hp stone skin in 1 hit.
Gladiators aren't popular like the rare hunter classes, maily because it always stands in the middle. Mid survibability and mid damage. Gladiator is still better than most classes but not the superior when it comes to damage or tanking. I think a tank/damage/spam build will still be the most superior *build for gladiator. (Though will cost a crapton of spina)
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Post by LeviDane on Sept 9, 2015 14:01:24 GMT
Thanks for sharing this. My concern though is cost. An average player cannot afford 2 slot weapons or slotted decent specs (like the 1bil Myrica) to make an Agi or Tempest spam build viable. If you're gonna use a 'cheap set', you'd either have to deal with lower damage boost from exe3 or montol or lower level qc penalty. Also can 1k eva stand evade against ep3 bosses? Maybe for weaker physical bosses like Vida and Beelzenoid. I was solo farming Gate Guard ealier (to get 1 uncommon for Claiomh Soalis) and its Issen-like attack (the animation looks like that) broke my 45k hp stone skin in 1 hit. Gladiators aren't popular like the rare hunter classes, maily because it always stands in the middle. Mid survibability and mid damage. Gladiator is still better than most classes but not the superior when it comes to damage or tanking. I think a tank/damage/spam build will still be the most superior *build for gladiator. (Though will cost a crapton of spina) The build does have it's draw backs. You don't necessarily need 2 slot equipment. But seen as its only viable once a you're a high level, you might assume you could farm things yourself by then or obtained a decent amount of spina. 1k eva can evade a lot of physical attacks from ep3. I do anyway. Obviously you still get hit (i would say usually its 50/50 for most bosses i seem to farm) but it takes a bit of pressure off the bish. Only problem with tank build is yes you have lots of hp but you will be hit every time guaranteed. Meaning you will have to spam stone skin. Less time for spamming damaging attacks. Combined with the fact they are not as strong as my build as well, tank build overall damage output can really be decreased. Gladiator does not have a large mp pool so stone skin drains your mp very quickly. So a lot of pots will need to be burned. This build have less hp but you get hit a lot less. So you save mp, waste less time rebuffing and need less pots and spend more time spamming skills with a far higher damage output per hit. It's a trade off. I like to go full damage because I play part of a PT so i rarely seem to die. In a PT i think gladiator is on the higher end not mid range. In a PT i'm pretty solid tank as i said and higher damage than most. Not many other builds can tank and do 120k damage a second. I would say it's abit higher than 'mid'. But i suppose my gladiators at the top end. I guess this is to show what the top end of the spectrum can look like. It is not easy getting there however lol aslong as it helps people see it can be done. Thats all that matters |
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 14:15:59 GMT
Thanks for sharing this. My concern though is cost. An average player cannot afford 2 slot weapons or slotted decent specs (like the 1bil Myrica) to make an Agi or Tempest spam build viable. If you're gonna use a 'cheap set', you'd either have to deal with lower damage boost from exe3 or montol or lower level qc penalty. Also can 1k eva stand evade against ep3 bosses? Maybe for weaker physical bosses like Vida and Beelzenoid. I was solo farming Gate Guard ealier (to get 1 uncommon for Claiomh Soalis) and its Issen-like attack (the animation looks like that) broke my 45k hp stone skin in 1 hit. Gladiators aren't popular like the rare hunter classes, maily because it always stands in the middle. Mid survibability and mid damage. Gladiator is still better than most classes but not the superior when it comes to damage or tanking. I think a tank/damage/spam build will still be the most superior *build for gladiator. (Though will cost a crapton of spina) The build does have it's draw backs. You don't necessarily need 2 slot equipment. But seen as its only viable once a you're a high level, I you might assume you could farm things yourself by then or obtained a decent amount of spina. 1k eva can evade a lot of physical attacks from ep3. I do anyway. Obviously you still get hit (i would say usually its 50/50 for most bosses i seem to farm) but it takes a bit of pressure off the bish. Only problem with tank build is yes you have lots of hp but you will be hit every time gauranteed. This build have less hp but you get hit a lot less. It's a trade off. I like to go full damage because I play part of a PT so i never really die. In a PT i think gladiator is on the higher end not mid range. In a PT i'm pretty solid tank as i said and higher damage than most. Not many other builds can tank and do 120k damage a second. I would say it's abit higher than 'mid'. But i guess my gladiators at the top end. I guess this is to show what the top end of the spectrum can look like. It is not easy getting there however lol aslong as it helps people see it can be done. Thats all that matters I see. It really is possible. But I just want to point out that it's not going to be that readily viable to the folks who will read it here. It migt mislead them. Not everyone can buy Steltfies (agi/dex glais before 220 will be hell to level up), not everyone can readily afford high end equips (this game is so dependent on luck) not everyone likes partying, not everyone can get a party, not everyone has many friends or guild mates to play with, I am taking it from experience. I do most of my stuff alone cuz there aren't many people available to pt with also not many want gladiators in their party. Getting hit all the time isn't necessarily a bad thing. Cross counter does a lot and is underrated. A gladiator below 200 can easily hoard 4 mobs and let do counter do its thing. It's very practical for a class without AOE yet. Most gladiators can't tank rate cutters (is that what theyre called) like Larkas and Dajarte who cuts your HP to one, so you leave that to ninjas. Low HP glads can't tank magic hitters like Bergen. Without bishop help. Or without a GOOD bishop's help. Gladiators can't 1hko WOL like an imperial HW would (though HWs are so fragile). I wouldn't trade glad over any class but I wouldn't really advise people that it's like the best or something or people might get the wrong idea. I think gladiators have the best balance of tank and damage but not the best on both. I am really looking forward to the lvl260 skills. If immunity from stun is really a thing, I'd expect more gladiators walking around Iruna. |
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Post by LeviDane on Sept 9, 2015 14:25:12 GMT
The build does have it's draw backs. You don't necessarily need 2 slot equipment. But seen as its only viable once a you're a high level, I you might assume you could farm things yourself by then or obtained a decent amount of spina. 1k eva can evade a lot of physical attacks from ep3. I do anyway. Obviously you still get hit (i would say usually its 50/50 for most bosses i seem to farm) but it takes a bit of pressure off the bish. Only problem with tank build is yes you have lots of hp but you will be hit every time gauranteed. This build have less hp but you get hit a lot less. It's a trade off. I like to go full damage because I play part of a PT so i never really die. In a PT i think gladiator is on the higher end not mid range. In a PT i'm pretty solid tank as i said and higher damage than most. Not many other builds can tank and do 120k damage a second. I would say it's abit higher than 'mid'. But i guess my gladiators at the top end. I guess this is to show what the top end of the spectrum can look like. It is not easy getting there however lol aslong as it helps people see it can be done. Thats all that matters I see. It really is possible. But I just want to point out that it's not going to be that readily viable to the folks who will read it here. It migt mislead them. Not everyone can buy Steltfies (agi/dex glais before 220 will be hell to level up), not everyone can readily afford high end equips (this game is so dependent on luck) not everyone likes partying, not everyone can get a party, not everyone has many friends or guild mates to play with, I am taking it from experience. I do most of my stuff alone cuz there aren't many available people available to pt with also not many want gladiators in their party. Getting hit all the time isn't necessarily a bad thing. Cross counter does a lot and is underrated. A gladiator below 200 can easily hoard 4 mobs and do counter do its thing. It's very practical for a class without AOE yet. Most gladiators can't tank rate cutters (is that what theyre called) like Larkas and Dajarte who cuts your HP to one, so you leave that to ninjas. Low HP glads can't tank magic hitters like Bergen. Without bishop help. Or without a GOOD bishop's help. Gladiators can't 1hko WOL like an imperial HW would (though HWs are so fragile). I wouldn't trade glad over any class but I wouldn't really advise people that it's like the best or something or people might get the wrong idea. I think gladiators have the best balance of tank and damage but not the best on both. I am really looking forward to the lvl260 skills. If immunity from stun is really a thing, I'd expect more gladiators walking around Iruna. Yeah its true. I'm sure when they read it they will see its only viable once you're high level with spina to spend lol only reason I added the top end of gladiator ranks is because on this forums I only see the low/mid range being spoken about. That makes it harder for gladiators to get PT's because most people don't know how good they are. A gladiator isn't really built for pure tanking so i agree with everything you said. I can tank, but I don't like to tank. I rather be in a PT with a tank and me just going all out dps. Only problem is a ninja or anything else cannot tank against such a higher damaging gladiator. The amount of aggro you pull is crazy. Even a paladin loses aggro in longer boss fights. So that's where gladiators secondary tanking skills come in to play. Its an option i think, not it's purpose. New skill doesn't have immunity to stun. I'm sure i saw youtube videos against a gladiator and still got stunned. Maybe you can confirm. The skill is good though because apparently everyone in the pt can be healed. That sounds amazing. Especially in aoe pt grinds |
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 14:46:47 GMT
I see. It really is possible. But I just want to point out that it's not going to be that readily viable to the folks who will read it here. It migt mislead them. Not everyone can buy Steltfies (agi/dex glais before 220 will be hell to level up), not everyone can readily afford high end equips (this game is so dependent on luck) not everyone likes partying, not everyone can get a party, not everyone has many friends or guild mates to play with, I am taking it from experience. I do most of my stuff alone cuz there aren't many available people available to pt with also not many want gladiators in their party. Getting hit all the time isn't necessarily a bad thing. Cross counter does a lot and is underrated. A gladiator below 200 can easily hoard 4 mobs and do counter do its thing. It's very practical for a class without AOE yet. Most gladiators can't tank rate cutters (is that what theyre called) like Larkas and Dajarte who cuts your HP to one, so you leave that to ninjas. Low HP glads can't tank magic hitters like Bergen. Without bishop help. Or without a GOOD bishop's help. Gladiators can't 1hko WOL like an imperial HW would (though HWs are so fragile). I wouldn't trade glad over any class but I wouldn't really advise people that it's like the best or something or people might get the wrong idea. I think gladiators have the best balance of tank and damage but not the best on both. I am really looking forward to the lvl260 skills. If immunity from stun is really a thing, I'd expect more gladiators walking around Iruna. Yeah its true. I'm sure when they read it they will see its only viable once you're high level with spina to spend lol only reason I added the top end of gladiator ranks is because on this forums I only see the low/mid range being spoken about. That makes it harder for gladiators to get PT's because most people don't know how good they are. A gladiator isn't really built for pure tanking so i agree with everything you said. I can tank, but I don't like to tank. I rather be in a PT with a tank and me just going all out dps. Only problem is a ninja or anything else cannot tank against such a higher damaging gladiator. The amount of aggro you pull is crazy. Even a paladin loses aggro in longer boss fights. So that's where gladiators secondary tanking skills come in to play. Its an option i think, not it's purpose. New skill doesn't have immunity to stun. I'm sure i saw youtube videos against a gladiator and still got stunned. Maybe you can confirm. The skill is good though because apparently everyone in the pt can be healed. That sounds amazing. Especially in aoe pt grinds Just tryinna be realistic. I've seen 300k+ Issens from a same level and probably same survivability from a samurai. In the end it all boils down to options. Just making sure readers will get an understanding on what builds they'd like to use. Anyway, some people like the extra hard work (have fun leveling a fragile agi build that can't 100% evade things) It frustrates me to that glads are underestimated too. An HW at baums once told me she hasn't seen a 55k spam on 4 baums from a ladiator before. I was slightly offended. In my head I was like that's 75k! Count the 20k each time I get hit, lol. We def need to raise awareness that gladiators arent THAT bad. *looks at other classes* (oh gosh plz dont kill me) Is grinding still a thing after lvl240? XD Dang, I thought it can make immunity. Oh well, I'm still looking forward to it though. |
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Post by LeviDane on Sept 9, 2015 14:56:39 GMT
Yeah its true. I'm sure when they read it they will see its only viable once you're high level with spina to spend lol only reason I added the top end of gladiator ranks is because on this forums I only see the low/mid range being spoken about. That makes it harder for gladiators to get PT's because most people don't know how good they are. A gladiator isn't really built for pure tanking so i agree with everything you said. I can tank, but I don't like to tank. I rather be in a PT with a tank and me just going all out dps. Only problem is a ninja or anything else cannot tank against such a higher damaging gladiator. The amount of aggro you pull is crazy. Even a paladin loses aggro in longer boss fights. So that's where gladiators secondary tanking skills come in to play. Its an option i think, not it's purpose. New skill doesn't have immunity to stun. I'm sure i saw youtube videos against a gladiator and still got stunned. Maybe you can confirm. The skill is good though because apparently everyone in the pt can be healed. That sounds amazing. Especially in aoe pt grinds Just tryinna be realistic. I've seen 300k+ Issens from a same level and probably same survivability from a samurai. In the end it all boils down to options. Just making sure readers will get an understanding on what builds they'd like to use. Anyway, some people like the extra hard work (have fun leveling a fragile agi build that can't 100% evade things) It frustrates me to that glads are underestimated too. An HW at baums once told me she hasn't seen a 55k spam on 4 baums from a ladiator before. I was slightly offended. In my head I was like that's 75k! Count the 20k each time I get hit, lol. We def need to raise awareness that gladiators arent THAT bad. *looks at other classes* (oh gosh plz dont kill me) Is grinding still a thing after lvl240? XD Dang, I thought it can make immunity. Oh well, I'm still looking forward to it though. Samurai's are good but they're rare to me as well. All i see is ninja, mins and hw. Grinding will always be a thing. It gets worse the higher level you get. You know how long it takes to level from 292 > 293 lol. Even with full tickets! And apostolia is even longer because there are more stats to individually level -_- |
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 15:06:15 GMT
Just tryinna be realistic. I've seen 300k+ Issens from a same level and probably same survivability from a samurai. In the end it all boils down to options. Just making sure readers will get an understanding on what builds they'd like to use. Anyway, some people like the extra hard work (have fun leveling a fragile agi build that can't 100% evade things) It frustrates me to that glads are underestimated too. An HW at baums once told me she hasn't seen a 55k spam on 4 baums from a ladiator before. I was slightly offended. In my head I was like that's 75k! Count the 20k each time I get hit, lol. We def need to raise awareness that gladiators arent THAT bad. *looks at other classes* (oh gosh plz dont kill me) Is grinding still a thing after lvl240? XD Dang, I thought it can make immunity. Oh well, I'm still looking forward to it though. Samurai's are good but they're rare to me as well. All i see is ninja, mins and hw. Grinding will always be a thing. It gets worse the higher level you get. You know how long it takes to level from 292 > 293 lol. Even with full tickets! And apostolia is even longer because there are more stats to individually level -_- Ugh let's not shift the topic to ninjas and their SH plz :/ I would really love a diverse community too but the devs really love favoring classes ^_^ I haven't really grinded after 240. I've spent over 200m on dirty gears and I'm still 270 base, 120 str, 120 crt and 90+ rest. Lmao wonder how much I'd spend to get to cap. Recently I've played a LOT less, I think I'm 270 for over a month now, cuz bosses are being an ass by not dropping crystals I need to buy dirties. Lol. I sometims login to do MQ runs for free. The reaction they make when you kill a boss so fast is priceless. "OMG YOU KILLED ZIMOV IN LESS THAN 3 SECS *MOUTH FROTHS*". Most of the time it's getting boring esp when you're not getting rares like that 1 time I did Maelriel with a bunch of random farts for 2 hours and got nothing. It's great to meet other gladis too. Hope we can bump into each other ingame sometime. |
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Post by Jeancarlo on Sept 9, 2015 15:12:57 GMT
AGI *IS NOT USELESS* This is probably the most overlooked stat for a gladiator. It increases tempest damage by a lot. Tempest at 92%+ gives me roughly 1k eva. This makes up for the fact you have less vit. You will rarely be getting touched and stone skin is your back up. What is the formula for AGI to Tempest? Also, the 1K EVA is probably secondary to the fact that you're 20 levels above the mobs (Baums). My L240+ Nin with 1K EVA losses clone almost every other hit (not counting magic atk) Also, does counter proc on EVA? Thought it only proc' on actual hit landing on you |
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 15:34:04 GMT
AGI *IS NOT USELESS* This is probably the most overlooked stat for a gladiator. It increases tempest damage by a lot. Tempest at 92%+ gives me roughly 1k eva. This makes up for the fact you have less vit. You will rarely be getting touched and stone skin is your back up. What is the formula for AGI to Tempest? Also, the 1K EVA is probably secondary to the fact that you're 20 levels above the mobs (Baums). My L240+ Nin with 1K EVA losses clone almost every other hit (not counting magic atk) Also, does counter proc on EVA? Thought it only proc' on actual hit landing on you I'd love to know the formula too. Just to know if it's worth sacrificing high HP and high regenerate for extra damage. 1 thing I can confim though is that counter wont proc on missed hits. |
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Post by Jeancarlo on Sept 9, 2015 15:41:10 GMT
What is the formula for AGI to Tempest? Also, the 1K EVA is probably secondary to the fact that you're 20 levels above the mobs (Baums). My L240+ Nin with 1K EVA losses clone almost every other hit (not counting magic atk) Also, does counter proc on EVA? Thought it only proc' on actual hit landing on you I'd love to know the formula too. Just to know if it's worth sacrificing high HP and high regenerate for extra damage. 1 thing I can confim though is that counter wont proc on missed hits. That's what I thought, thanks! |
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