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Post by LeviDane on Sept 9, 2015 15:56:41 GMT
I'd love to know the formula too. Just to know if it's worth sacrificing high HP and high regenerate for extra damage. 1 thing I can confim though is that counter wont proc on missed hits. That's what I thought, thanks! I don't think level matters in terms of how often you get hit. Its hard for me to say because I normally tank 3 at a time. I would say its 50/50 for baums. The EVA buff from tempest rises with the force. The buff goes along with the attack speed buff which I believe last 5secs per tempest. So if you're at 100% force and let it drop for more than 5 seconds your EVA will go back to normal. So it works well with tempest spam. I think the formula is something like this "STR, up to I will seems about 4.4 times critical damage × o'clock AGI256." This is from a japanese blog so It doesn't make much sense when translated. Maybe someone can help translate? Click here for the Japanese Blog
He goes through each build with the stats and shows you the damage output. And the benefits and disadvantages. Really good information here! Oh and no if you don't get hit, you will not deal a counter. Counter works on hit only
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Sept 9, 2015 15:57:19 GMT
I'd love to know the formula too. Just to know if it's worth sacrificing high HP and high regenerate for extra damage. 1 thing I can confim though is that counter wont proc on missed hits. That's what I thought, thanks! doubted myself a bit and tested in game. Provoked a Kijimu near Rita, missed, no counter. Too bad miss from a mob is not included in battle log but I can confirm (again) xD Idk Im torn here. I mean with Agi being "useful". I like my gladiator gettin all the hits. Bring iiiit. Lol. I guess if it's what it takes to be a "top" gladiator. XD
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Post by LeviDane on Sept 11, 2015 10:30:13 GMT
That's what I thought, thanks! doubted myself a bit and tested in game. Provoked a Kijimu near Rita, missed, no counter. Too bad miss from a mob is not included in battle log but I can confirm (again) xD Idk Im torn here. I mean with Agi being "useful". I like my gladiator gettin all the hits. Bring iiiit. Lol. I guess if it's what it takes to be a "top" gladiator. XD Being a 'top' gladiator is subjective. I personally think the job is built around being offensive and high damage output. With being a tank a secondary role. Yet people seem to build them primarily as a tank, damager second. If you want to utilise a gladiator how it was designed I would say go down the damage route. This is where the most potential seems to be. If built like a tank gladiator will be average at damage and tanking. No int means gladiator will always be incredibly weak to magic attacks as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 7:57:37 GMT
My own vision about gladi: Gladiator is really meant to be a DPS class and tank will be a second thought like Levi says. *Tempest -- you get high evasion rate which gives you alot of chance to focus on bringing punishment to your target by the tempest bonus which is dmg and aspd. *Counter -- Just like a Pro boxer agility is your main asset to avoid getting hit while counter-punching. In this skill you get hit first before you counter which you dont want, and thats how tempest will comes in as your counter attack together with the DA4 and some auto. (Counter alot means youre being hit alot) *Solid Skin -- Supports you when you cant avoid some damages like Magic type damages and/or evasion fails, also buy you some time. *Regenerate -- Your trumph card when some/all of the main assets fails you. Since Gladi is slightly blessed with good MP pool but lacks of Item delay most of the time evasion+solid skin helps you to regain HP/MP. By being hit alot > You always spam solid skin and afterwards depletes your mp pool very quick. Again, my own vision only towards this class -- Its just it is so expensive to provide these stuffs like myrica Slot. Edit: Also this game has a gain/lose concept and each of the build mentioned above and from many people works best depends on each liking of people who play the role of GLD. In my experience I dealt like 80-100K before (not as a spammer) and due to my desires to switch into a spammer with tad of HP I only dealt 50-61K now. So really depends on which you will prefer. I gain the ability to spam and survival in exhange I lose the ability to dealt the same dmg as before.
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Post by Umaru-chan on Sept 18, 2015 22:48:38 GMT
This is awesome ^_^ with that gained eva ithink gladiators can now fully use daiginjo+Ira for an awesome AA(i maybe wrong XD) -20%melee resist hurts but with eva its kinda cool
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Post by Envy on Sept 20, 2015 8:05:20 GMT
Made a short video showing off mine and Erza's gladiators. Gladiator has a lot higher dps than most people know. 1sec tempest spam doing 115k+ (No ignite) Also I can't wait for new 260 skills! Gladiator will be one of the best solo classes. Hope you enjoy Mind if I ask what gear you use to spam tempest?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 10:49:25 GMT
Envy Try the following Dex - 230 Airstrum/ -1s Exe3/ -1.5s Scalpelo/SA/Barb/ -0.5sd ▲Maelriel You can spam tempest from the following with a one normal atk interval per tempest. Barb up soon is -1s so that adds another -0.5sd if its not still removed atk interval Pulis on Airstum surely removes it. Note: This is for 230 dex and without dex I am not certain if it can be spammable from the following.
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Post by LeviDane on Nov 17, 2015 15:41:11 GMT
I reached a new high in consistent damage. Buffs were dream and passion song, all bish buffs, gladiator buffs including Esperanza and ignite. No stat books or atk item boosts I would have done more damage with passion and nostalgia song. Considering I was doing this every second the dps was overkill lol
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Post by Umaru-chan on Nov 18, 2015 3:42:11 GMT
I reached a new high in consistent damage. Buffs were dream and passion song, all bish buffs, gladiator buffs including Esperanza and ignite. No stat books or atk item boosts I would have done more damage with passion and nostalgia song. Considering I was doing this every second the dps was overkill lol Dafuq! Hahaha x.x
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Post by The_Mormegil on Nov 18, 2015 19:22:46 GMT
Okay im planning to flip to this when i reach 300. How much agi do i need for temp?
Atm my build is
Lvl 272
Str 360 Vit 200 Dex 115 Crt 340
I Wanna do
Str 400 Vit 150? Dex 200? Agi 100? Crt 400
Can someone whos done this build confirm whats stats i need here?
Ty in advance
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Post by The_Mormegil on Nov 18, 2015 19:49:43 GMT
Also new skill gives aoe heal and the effect of the heal on other pt members is based of 20% of your own hp and mp.
The higher the hp the more your aoe heal does.
It seems with this intro to skills, to change to a agi tempest build you sacrafice vit and doing this effects the value of gladi ina party.
With my hp im currently at 40k hp with wc and aoe heal does 8k, this 8k activates on autoskill and my autoskill is decent enough to meanb bishops dont have to heal as much.
Im still gonna try agi to see how i roll with it but my ideal build is gonna be and if agi tempest dont work for my playstle ill switch to
400 str 200 vit 230 dex 400 crt
This i guess would give me very good dmg (and tempest spam with my cheltil) along with decent survival and the added bonus of healing the party for 8k+
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Post by LeviDane on Nov 19, 2015 9:18:53 GMT
Okay im planning to flip to this when i reach 300. How much agi do i need for temp? Atm my build is Lvl 272 Str 360 Vit 200 Dex 115 Crt 340 I Wanna do Str 400 Vit 150? Dex 200? Agi 100? Crt 400 Can someone whos done this build confirm whats stats i need here? Ty in advance You wouldn't have enough points to do your second build. Even at all stats capped. There is not set agi for tempest. AGI effects tempest up until 256. So how much you put is up to you. AGI build is mainly for PT play. If you want to solo you most likely won't enjoy it that much
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Post by LeviDane on Nov 19, 2015 9:20:27 GMT
Also new skill gives aoe heal and the effect of the heal on other pt members is based of 20% of your own hp and mp. The higher the hp the more your aoe heal does. It seems with this intro to skills, to change to a agi tempest build you sacrafice vit and doing this effects the value of gladi ina party. With my hp im currently at 40k hp with wc and aoe heal does 8k, this 8k activates on autoskill and my autoskill is decent enough to meanb bishops dont have to heal as much. Im still gonna try agi to see how i roll with it but my ideal build is gonna be and if agi tempest dont work for my playstle ill switch to 400 str 200 vit 230 dex 400 crt This i guess would give me very good dmg (and tempest spam with my cheltil) along with decent survival and the added bonus of healing the party for 8k+ Sacrificing VIT has not done anything to my value in a PT. If anything I am more requested now than most gladi's and people who don't know me seemed suprised when i'm in PT. I don't think they realise a gladi is strong because most gladis try to be tank VIT builds and end up being rather weak. That's my opinion. Because I tank and deal very high dps. All you need is a semi decent bish and you'll be completely fine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 9:28:50 GMT
Vit not that necessary. Gladi is meant to have a good survival. Evasion, HP (without Vit), Regen, Skill delay and most important "DPS" you just need a talented set of PT members.
Also each build has its own advantages, its just a matter of adjusting equips, stats, abilities, and crysta since were not being stucked on the same items only.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Nov 19, 2015 20:00:56 GMT
Also new skill gives aoe heal and the effect of the heal on other pt members is based of 20% of your own hp and mp. The higher the hp the more your aoe heal does. It seems with this intro to skills, to change to a agi tempest build you sacrafice vit and doing this effects the value of gladi ina party. With my hp im currently at 40k hp with wc and aoe heal does 8k, this 8k activates on autoskill and my autoskill is decent enough to meanb bishops dont have to heal as much. Im still gonna try agi to see how i roll with it but my ideal build is gonna be and if agi tempest dont work for my playstle ill switch to 400 str 200 vit 230 dex 400 crt This i guess would give me very good dmg (and tempest spam with my cheltil) along with decent survival and the added bonus of healing the party for 8k+ Sacrificing VIT has not done anything to my value in a PT. If anything I am more requested now than most gladi's and people who don't know me seemed suprised when i'm in PT. I don't think they realise a gladi is strong because most gladis try to be tank VIT builds and end up being rather weak. That's my opinion. Because I tank and deal very high dps. All you need is a semi decent bish and you'll be completely fine. I think thats really the issue for me i dont really do parties often, im mostly solo at bosses and even during grinding sometimes too (im uk time zone so sometimes when im on i cant even find grind parties, Saratobi is my IGN) so id want the dps but also survival. After i restat to get 256 agi and throw a few high dps temps at some bosses with pics im gonna change for the: 400 str 200 vit 230 dex 400 crt At least while im a solo type player, if i decide to get more involed with parties during boss farms for a bit id restat for agi. Lol i guess being an adult allows me to do that if i wanted. Ty for this Levi, keep us posted on all your findings, very helpful stuff mate.
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