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Post by Prayerz on Apr 1, 2014 18:24:31 GMT
Magic ninja test.
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Post by drrockso on Apr 1, 2014 22:42:44 GMT
Look at what I started  every thread I make turns into a debate lol tilt vs prayers idk I say both are right I just like the information both are giving |
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Apr 1, 2014 23:18:06 GMT
Look at what I started every thread I make turns into a debate lol tilt vs prayers idk I say both are right I just like the information both are giving Nah its not your fault...tilt being nub e3e. Anyways I'm just sayin if a magic ninja grabs aggro from ganei for example. Your ninja Say 7k hp+3 clones = death in 4-7 hits My Ninja 1 hp+9 clones = death in 9 hits alwaus guaranteed. (If he don't stun lol) All I'm saying is that if a ninja got 9 clones, hes gonna defend better and last longer than a 3 clone ninja with 7k hp. And although a bishops main purpose is to heal, does that mean its not gonna atk as well? You may not know (idk if u have nemsis yet) but when bishops go farming mech they do almost a equal amount of healing and atking so idk what u mean... Healing is a means of defence. With your 3 clones build, those three clones will die fast af while using those slow casts that a ninja has if u manage to get aggro. But with my 9 clones build, it allows you to cast and still have 5-6 clones even if u grab aggro ^^ Peace~ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 0:13:45 GMT
Look at what I started every thread I make turns into a debate lol tilt vs prayers idk I say both are right I just like the information both are giving Nah its not your fault...tilt being nub e3e. Anyways I'm just sayin if a magic ninja grabs aggro from ganei for example. Your ninja Say 7k hp+3 clones = death in 4-7 hits My Ninja 1 hp+9 clones = death in 9 hits alwaus guaranteed. (If he don't stun lol) All I'm saying is that if a ninja got 9 clones, hes gonna defend better and last longer than a 3 clone ninja with 7k hp. And although a bishops main purpose is to heal, does that mean its not gonna atk as well? You may not know (idk if u have nemsis yet) but when bishops go farming mech they do almost a equal amount of healing and atking so idk what u mean... Healing is a means of defence. With your 3 clones build, those three clones will die fast af while using those slow casts that a ninja has if u manage to get aggro. But with my 9 clones build, it allows you to cast and still have 5-6 clones even if u grab aggro ^^ Peace~ Go look ninja build sub board. You say a ninja cant stop to make clones as a means of defence? A bishop cant stop to heal bc its too busy spamming nemesis? An ench cant ss cuz its too busy attacking? I just used bow nin as an exaple of max dex = 1sec+ delay Try a magic ninja then you might understand what im saying. Btw a bishop is a support/healing class not nessasarly a nemesis spammer class. Enchanter has an auto attack offense so it has plenty of room to cast stone skin obliviously. And you keep bringing up a bow ninja on a magic ninja thread like it matters. Again i will say it, the main prob is NOT the fact that magic ninja does not use clones, because, as i included, they do use clones. The prob is the CAST/COOLDOWN of the spells in relation to having to cast clones on top of that and how hard it would be for a MAGIC ninja to get 9 clones while in a fight. you CANT change gear while casting spells, altera ring WONT work on spell use, so how would you get 9 clones in the heat of a fight? thats why VIT or AGI is needed, as an additional defense with the clones. Bishoop has fast spells/cooldowns, High heals, ressurection and natural durability so its easy to attack and defend simultaneously. H.wiiz has drain which heals it over time while it is attacking. Paralyze also slows the enemy down enough to cut down on the enemies dps. Again Magic Ninja does not use claws or any normal attacks and it is a spell caster (Not a bow user) so it uses clones and vit/agi to stay alive while attacking. Ganie and other hp reducing gear serves almost no purpose since you cant switch gear while attacking. How do you survive with 3 clones and vit or agi? Paralyze from raiton slows the enemy down. Anyways just make one. Theres no debate at all. Aro, just read what i already post. |
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Post by bahamut on Apr 2, 2014 0:27:40 GMT
Since I'm not a magic ninja I can't say how fat the cool down is or cast time is for a ninja with max dex but i can say that it's still considerably slower then a bishop or h wiz and since you have to cast the spells in order so earth does more damage faster mobs/ bosses still could take out all 9 clones or stun/poison you meaning instant game over. If you have a 3 clones and some hp you are actually in a safer position since you can survive poison or stun. Also with max dex getting clones would be faster. And you don't need crit or str since your not physically atking anything. And if you think a bishop could have low hp and just keep spamming healing but they don't. I'd just like to add that a Mage ninja is more party based it's not meant for soloing high end bosses.
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Post by aroxis on Apr 2, 2014 1:54:04 GMT
Since I'm not a magic ninja I can't say how fat the cool down is or cast time is for a ninja with max dex but i ca"n say that it's still considerably slower then a bishop or h wiz and since you have to cast the spells in order so earth does more damage faster mobs/ bosses still could take out all 9 clones or stun/poison you meaning instant game over. If you have a 3 clones and some hp you are actually in a safer position since you can survive poison or stun. Also with max dex getting clones would be faster. And you don't need crit or str since your not physically atking anything. And if you think a bishop could have low hp and just keep spamming healing but they don't. I'd just like to add that a Mage ninja is more party based it's not meant for soloing high end bosses. When a ninja gets stunned doesn't it take dmg and clones leave as well? |
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Post by Prayerz on Apr 2, 2014 2:15:43 GMT
aroxis give up the debate, because you didn't provide any argument this time around, bro. Tilt won versus you. As for me, I wasn't debating against Tilt, I was just adding on. She isn't wrong, but because of lack of experience, she's just lacking in a bit of knowledge about the build. Magic Ninja does have a vit build that can work with 1 clone as well. I personally prefer agi as my third stat for evasion, as my gears give evasion bonuses. But a magic ninja can be effective with 3 clones and vit. It's difficult though, as magic ninja tends to be.
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Post by aroxis on Apr 2, 2014 3:21:35 GMT
Go look ninja build sub board. You say a ninja cant stop to make clones as a means of defence? A bishop cant stop to heal bc its too busy spamming nemesis? An ench cant ss cuz its too busy attacking? I just used bow nin as an exaple of max dex = 1sec+ delay Try a magic ninja then you might understand what im saying. Btw a bishop is a support/healing class not nessasarly a nemesis spammer class. Enchanter has an auto attack offense so it has plenty of room to cast stone skin obliviously. And you keep bringing up a bow ninja on a magic ninja thread like it matters. Again i will say it, the main prob is NOT the fact that magic ninja does not use clones, because, as i included, they do use clones. The prob is the CAST/COOLDOWN of the spells in relation to having to cast clones on top of that and how hard it would be for a MAGIC ninja to get 9 clones while in a fight. you CANT change gear while casting spells, altera ring WONT work on spell use, so how would you get 9 clones in the heat of a fight? thats why VIT or AGI is needed, as an additional defense with the clones. Bishoop has fast spells/cooldowns, High heals, ressurection and natural durability so its easy to attack and defend simultaneously. H.wiiz has drain which heals it over time while it is attacking. Paralyze also slows the enemy down enough to cut down on the enemies dps. Again Magic Ninja does not use claws or any normal attacks and it is a spell caster (Not a bow user) so it uses clones and vit/agi to stay alive while attacking. Ganie and other hp reducing gear serves almost no purpose since you cant switch gear while attacking. How do you survive with 3 clones and vit or agi? Paralyze from raiton slows the enemy down. Anyways just make one. .......if I give up now....that would mean I would have a 1-2 recorord....>< nt today >< I'll just make one last post....plsss 1. Class comparison I made An example of a bishop spamming nemesis too much that it couldn't heal its self as a means of defense. Tilt replied to this argument that there will be no time to remake clones due to slow casting. And the bishop example didn't fit BC it has fast casting and high\fast heals. But like I said and like prays video showed, formation of clones doesn't take too long and saying that a ninja can't make clones after its done cast would be silly and I don't think a ninja would lose more than 3 clones while casting slow skills which shows that I would have 6 clones while a boss\mob is eAting away at your hp. Now I do agree that forming clones while casting is impossible but with 9 clones, u won't have to Make as many clones thus saving time and saving mp. You may respond to this by saying that , "my hp build will save time too" but from what I've seen ninja have no defeence buff meaning that hp would go alot faster than an Xtra 6 clones would agreed? noW this also has weaknesses such as stuns but each build has weaknesses lol. 2. Builds INT/DEX/VIT •Has 3 clones •cAn survive stuns •Constantly needs to make clones due to lack of defence stat (not mdef I recognize that this is very useful) •Conatantly needs to use lame heal skill or revL as q means of recovering hp INT\DEX\AGI •9 Clones (ofc only the one in talking about) •Dies to stuns •Lives longer due to 9 clones •no hp probe •Less mp use due to 9 clones •Can use clone dance 3. example Tilts m ninja goes into ganei map Tilt starts casting....o PIE tilt gets aggro Bam bam bam 3 clones gone Tilt is still casting! (lets say tilt has 7k hp) Takes 500 magic dmg takes 3k normal dmg In this situation, to avoid dieing, another set of clones will have to be made. Thus using more mp and all in all having a higher chance of death. INT\DEX\AGI I go into ganei map, get aggro and I'm in the middle of earthskaer, bam bam bam 3 clones gone bam bam 4 clones left and unlike the other build, I can start casting again BC I still have 4 protective layer Now this example has many flaws such as tilts ninja can receive a 8k crit after 3 clones leave or my build can take a Stun first hit then die but honestly I think this situation would appear more. Ty (last post) |
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Post by Prayerz on Apr 2, 2014 3:44:27 GMT
Try a magic ninja then you might understand what im saying. Btw a bishop is a support/healing class not nessasarly a nemesis spammer class. Enchanter has an auto attack offense so it has plenty of room to cast stone skin obliviously. And you keep bringing up a bow ninja on a magic ninja thread like it matters. Again i will say it, the main prob is NOT the fact that magic ninja does not use clones, because, as i included, they do use clones. The prob is the CAST/COOLDOWN of the spells in relation to having to cast clones on top of that and how hard it would be for a MAGIC ninja to get 9 clones while in a fight. you CANT change gear while casting spells, altera ring WONT work on spell use, so how would you get 9 clones in the heat of a fight? thats why VIT or AGI is needed, as an additional defense with the clones. Bishoop has fast spells/cooldowns, High heals, ressurection and natural durability so its easy to attack and defend simultaneously. H.wiiz has drain which heals it over time while it is attacking. Paralyze also slows the enemy down enough to cut down on the enemies dps. Again Magic Ninja does not use claws or any normal attacks and it is a spell caster (Not a bow user) so it uses clones and vit/agi to stay alive while attacking. Ganie and other hp reducing gear serves almost no purpose since you cant switch gear while attacking. How do you survive with 3 clones and vit or agi? Paralyze from raiton slows the enemy down. Anyways just make one. .......if I give up now....that would mean I would have a 1-2 recorord....>< nt today >< I'll just make one last post....plsss 1. Class comparison I made An example of a bishop spamming nemesis too much that it couldn't heal its self as a means of defense. Tilt replied to this argument that there will be no time to remake clones due to slow casting. And the bishop example didn't fit BC it has fast casting and high\fast heals. But like I said and like prays video showed, formation of clones doesn't take too long and saying that a ninja can't make clones after its done cast would be silly and I don't think a ninja would lose more than 3 clones while casting slow skills which shows that I would have 6 clones while a boss\mob is eAting away at your hp. Now I do agree that forming clones while casting is impossible but with 9 clones, u won't have to Make as many clones thus saving time and saving mp. You may respond to this by saying that , "my hp build will save time too" but from what I've seen ninja have no defeence buff meaning that hp would go alot faster than an Xtra 6 clones would agreed? noW this also has weaknesses such as stuns but each build has weaknesses lol. 2. Builds INT/DEX/VIT •Has 3 clones •cAn survive stuns •Constantly needs to make clones due to lack of defence stat (not mdef I recognize that this is very useful) •Conatantly needs to use lame heal skill or revL as q means of recovering hp INT\DEX\AGI •9 Clones (ofc only the one in talking about) •Dies to stuns •Lives longer due to 9 clones •no hp probe •Less mp use due to 9 clones •Can use clone dance 3. example Tilts m ninja goes into ganei map Tilt starts casting....o PIE tilt gets aggro Bam bam bam 3 clones gone Tilt is still casting! (lets say tilt has 7k hp) Takes 500 magic dmg takes 3k normal dmg In this situation, to avoid dieing, another set of clones will have to be made. Thus using more mp and all in all having a higher chance of death. INT\DEX\AGI I go into ganei map, get aggro and I'm in the middle of earthskaer, bam bam bam 3 clones gone bam bam 4 clones left and unlike the other build, I can start casting again BC I still have 4 protective layer Now this example has many flaws such as tilts ninja can receive a 8k crit after 3 clones leave or my build can take a Stun first hit then die but honestly I think this situation would appear more. Ty (last post) About 85% of this is what me and Tilt were saying.... Tilt won, dude. Accept defeat. |
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Post by aroxis on Apr 2, 2014 3:49:28 GMT
I'm just saying ones dies faster than the other making it less efficient which argument did I lose on?
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Post by Prayerz on Apr 2, 2014 4:57:57 GMT
I'm just saying ones dies faster than the other making it less efficient which argument did I lose on? It doesn't necessarily die faster.. lol you're both talking about a class/build you've never tried. This whole argument was pointless, honestly. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Apr 2, 2014 5:54:31 GMT
I don't get the purpose of survival when your role is to provide DPS and not to tank in boss grinds. It's like asking AR sniper or backstab assassin to wear heavy armors and HP gears or evasion sets so that they survive better on a rare chance that they get aggro, which is silly.
Normally, they would just die and somebody revives them and they get back to doing DPS. If they keep getting aggro then the tank should put on more hate gear.
IMO, the choice of AGI or VIT is for tanking mobs (or your mob type grind preferences), not bosses. Both would do good in their own respective field of mob types.
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Post by drrockso on Apr 2, 2014 11:40:37 GMT
I'm going vital and I can use shroom stacks to get 9 clones I'll test it but wouldn't vital give me hp and def from attacks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 19:44:05 GMT
With max dex formation of clones takes less than one second not much time wasted lol. (look up bow ninja solo minegaga) And you can use clones while casting idk what u mean by that. And why waste points on vit if you can add a dmging stat like crit for d.o.c? Also when will a m.ninja be takin a stun? Unlike agi ninj, magic ninja are less suited for ninja. And the few pro magic ninja ive seen all use 9 clones so a bossheit wont help at all lol. Would you also tell me the skill delay gear used in that video? And its a bow ninja, not a magic ninja that your comparing. Also tell me why crt is used on magic ninja. Spell boost? Because it definently is not using its normal attacks to damage. Like i said, magic ninja have to cast spells and they cant stop in the middle tobset up clones to defend or stop in the middle to change gear to reduce hp for clones. Altera ring or any other automatic hp reducers wont work since the ninja is using spells. How would it get the 9 clones? Thats where the vit or agi comes in at, to make up for the casting. the ninja in the video has max dex vio up and exelis up the gear is meant for the delay of clone dance, max dex gives almost instant clones by itself. As for crit on a magic ninja its only use would be for clone dance, it doesn't affect the ninjas magic at all. Int/dex/vit isn't a bad build either u still have access to bunshin no jutsu (3 clone base) plus the hp to back up if ur hit with a boss aoe stun. I've changed my ninjas build around quite a few times testing different things out. For the magic ninja I keep an matk set for magic dmg and a ganei set for clones and clone dance. Yes its expensive but its versatile that way. |
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every thread I make turns into a debate lol tilt vs prayers idk I say both are right I just like the information both are giving 
