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Post by dainie on Jan 21, 2015 8:43:01 GMT
I entered a group that were discussing about monk n two monk which are throwing or geo spammer monk said they can hit like 100k damage with geo breaker. Im like O.O In your opinion, which is better? I still have a stelfy book from last event xD
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Post by Capicuo on Jan 21, 2015 11:28:48 GMT
It depends on ur play style.
Throwing monk is pretty party dependant while claw monk is mainly soloer.
And yes, geospammer can deal tons of dmg if it procs shell break
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Post by dainie on Jan 21, 2015 22:05:09 GMT
It depends on ur play style. Throwing monk is pretty party dependant while claw monk is mainly soloer. And yes, geospammer can deal tons of dmg if it procs shell break Ouh i see. Then i cant switch to throw monk since i dont hv friends to drag along =-= |
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Post by Capicuo on Jan 21, 2015 22:12:55 GMT
It depends on ur play style. Throwing monk is pretty party dependant while claw monk is mainly soloer. And yes, geospammer can deal tons of dmg if it procs shell break Ouh i see. Then i cant switch to throw monk since i dont hv friends to drag along =-= I wouldn't worry bout that cuz throwing monk r always welcome in any pt. They can deal nice dmg and its heal is pretty high ^.^ |
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 21, 2015 23:19:49 GMT
Geobreaker Monks are pure DPS. They can solo EXP fairly easily as well. AOE kite Nommars with Geo 1 and you are all good. They are welcome in parties though. They will almost always be more useful in boss farms.
Claw Monks are soloers and are probably alright tanks if they have great gear. Monk tanking is rare and don't expect to get parties like that currently. They can solo EXP decently as well but not as fast as Geo Monk.
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Post by nica on Jan 22, 2015 13:28:02 GMT
Hmmmm sorry but i have a feeling that geo Spam monk are like a wannabe assassins with heal.
I love my claw monk and dont wanna Do a throw monk Who use mainly only a few skills. Sound to me like h.wiz only recharge mp.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 22, 2015 16:09:56 GMT
Hmmmm sorry but i have a feeling that geo Spam monk are like a wannabe assassins with heal. I love my claw monk and dont wanna Do a throw monk Who use mainly only a few skills. Sound to me like h.wiz only recharge mp. It is very similar to Assassin I guess. It's damage is actually even similar so I wouldn't call it a wannabe based on that fact. Wannabe would be if it's damage sucked compared to Assassins. |
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Post by nica on Jan 22, 2015 17:55:05 GMT
I think a well geared bs assassin with throw Mastery will Do more damage then geo monk.
I like claw,throwing also but i think why Not use Main weapon (monk/claw, assassin/throw, H. Wiz/Rod, ....)
to benefit the Most from the Job u do. Thats why i said "wannabe" assassin.
IF someone wanna Do high dps with the throw weapon, why Not go assassin? Thats what i dont really understand. Why mainly use geo breaker?
U dont benefit from claw Mastery, Cant use Rush. In high Level when an crt/agi/Int monk has full 3 stats He can use claw and throwing, Not Spam geo, if u have throwing stats with maybe int/crt Str or dex u Cant use claw to benefit from.
But thats my opinion. So go out to iruna wander around and just have fun playing a good game where everyone is uniqe.
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Post by ichirou on Jan 23, 2015 13:16:11 GMT
Im monk 207 and thats my opinion better be claw/nail monk coz high survive and battle depend of ur stat,agi/crt/int agi/crt/vit agi/crt/str agi/crt/int/vit/str thats true geo monk/throw was very powerful but they lack of survivebility and they only depend on pt,cant solo boss like normal monk if u really want be monk for a long time better be claw monk but for short time play (example : only use monk class for 1-2 month for only want taste geo breaker and then sell ._.) be geo monk,majority who was build geo monk was rare to unactive now (if u u know wut im mean)
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 3:09:46 GMT
I think a well geared bs assassin with throw Mastery will Do more damage then geo monk. I like claw,throwing also but i think why Not use Main weapon (monk/claw, assassin/throw, H. Wiz/Rod, ....) to benefit the Most from the Job u do. Thats why i said "wannabe" assassin. IF someone wanna Do high dps with the throw weapon, why Not go assassin? Thats what i dont really understand. Why mainly use geo breaker? U dont benefit from claw Mastery, Cant use Rush. In high Level when an crt/agi/Int monk has full 3 stats He can use claw and throwing, Not Spam geo, if u have throwing stats with maybe int/crt Str or dex u Cant use claw to benefit from. But thats my opinion. So go out to iruna wander around and just have fun playing a good game where everyone is uniqe. There's a vid a a Geobreaker Monk hitting 58k Geo on Raaton and over 100k when it Shell Breaks. They are pretty much on par, and will beat each other depending on the boss. The game actually fully intends on Monks using either Claw OR Throwing. For 1 Chakra gets an extra bonus to ATK over all other weapons, Claw gets a higher bonus than everything else but less than Throwing. Geobreaker gets a passive -1 second just for using Throwing. Also Chakra adds ATK based on INT and clearly works really well with Throwing weapons. Monk's will probably have higher ATK than most Assassins due to this. So Monk's main weapons are actually Claw AND Throwing. Not just Claw. At least if we are going by the skills the class has. |
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 3:17:18 GMT
Im monk 207 and thats my opinion better be claw/nail monk coz high survive and battle depend of ur stat,agi/crt/int agi/crt/vit agi/crt/str agi/crt/int/vit/str thats true geo monk/throw was very powerful but they lack of survivebility and they only depend on pt,cant solo boss like normal monk if u really want be monk for a long time better be claw monk but for short time play (example : only use monk class for 1-2 month for only want taste geo breaker and then sell ._.) be geo monk,majority who was build geo monk was rare to unactive now (if u u know wut im mean) I haven't heard of tons of Geo monks quitting. I see tons of them around nowadays and they are very sought after in parties. They can also solo Exp fairly decently. Hardly anyone farms bosses solo nowadays unless its a lower leveled boss. It's just inefficient unless it's a super weak boss that dies fast. Solo ability is mostly just nifty to have and not very beneficial. Just because a class has low survivability doesn't mean people will only play it for a short time and then quit. We would never see any Snipers or Assassins at high levels if that were the case. They are still rare but strangely I actually see more Geo Monks than the hunters nowadays. Their survivability isn't even all that low anyways. |
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Post by ichirou on Jan 24, 2015 4:38:52 GMT
Im monk 207 and thats my opinion better be claw/nail monk coz high survive and battle depend of ur stat,agi/crt/int agi/crt/vit agi/crt/str agi/crt/int/vit/str thats true geo monk/throw was very powerful but they lack of survivebility and they only depend on pt,cant solo boss like normal monk if u really want be monk for a long time better be claw monk but for short time play (example : only use monk class for 1-2 month for only want taste geo breaker and then sell ._.) be geo monk,majority who was build geo monk was rare to unactive now (if u u know wut im mean) I haven't heard of tons of Geo monks quitting. I see tons of them around nowadays and they are very sought after in parties. They can also solo Exp fairly decently. Hardly anyone farms bosses solo nowadays unless its a lower leveled boss. It's just inefficient unless it's a super weak boss that dies fast. Solo ability is mostly just nifty to have and not very beneficial. Just because a class has low survivability doesn't mean people will only play it for a short time and then quit. We would never see any Snipers or Assassins at high levels if that were the case. They are still rare but strangely I actually see more Geo Monks than the hunters nowadays. Their survivability isn't even all that low anyways. Are you monk? Or are u just talk coz of freind exp or just ur opinion? I say that coz based on my exp,seriosly i hate people just talk but dun have exp in that,to many peolpe was not in monk class but talk like they was in that class for loooong time i was test both of type monk and i recommend what i think its better,its that wrong?? |
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 6:07:29 GMT
I haven't heard of tons of Geo monks quitting. I see tons of them around nowadays and they are very sought after in parties. They can also solo Exp fairly decently. Hardly anyone farms bosses solo nowadays unless its a lower leveled boss. It's just inefficient unless it's a super weak boss that dies fast. Solo ability is mostly just nifty to have and not very beneficial. Just because a class has low survivability doesn't mean people will only play it for a short time and then quit. We would never see any Snipers or Assassins at high levels if that were the case. They are still rare but strangely I actually see more Geo Monks than the hunters nowadays. Their survivability isn't even all that low anyways. Are you monk? Or are u just talk coz of freind exp or just ur opinion? I say that coz based on my exp,seriosly i hate people just talk but dun have exp in that,to many peolpe was not in monk class but talk like they was in that class for loooong time i was test both of type monk and i recommend what i think its better,its that wrong?? I have a level 226 Monk that is Geo Build. He was Claw build up until about 200ish. So I'm using my own experience. I'm also using my experience on my Enchanter with who I party with and lately I've partied with tons of Geo Monks. They are more accepted in parties in general than Claw Monks. It's fine to recommend what you think is better. I haven't even said Claw is worse than Throwing or that Throwing is better. It's just more accepted in parties at the moment. |
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Post by nica on Jan 24, 2015 13:02:19 GMT
I think a well geared bs assassin with throw Mastery will Do more damage then geo monk. I like claw,throwing also but i think why Not use Main weapon (monk/claw, assassin/throw, H. Wiz/Rod, ....) to benefit the Most from the Job u do. Thats why i said "wannabe" assassin. IF someone wanna Do high dps with the throw weapon, why Not go assassin? Thats what i dont really understand. Why mainly use geo breaker? U dont benefit from claw Mastery, Cant use Rush. In high Level when an crt/agi/Int monk has full 3 stats He can use claw and throwing, Not Spam geo, if u have throwing stats with maybe int/crt Str or dex u Cant use claw to benefit from. But thats my opinion. So go out to iruna wander around and just have fun playing a good game where everyone is uniqe. There's a vid a a Geobreaker Monk hitting 58k Geo on Raaton and over 100k when it Shell Breaks. They are pretty much on par, and will beat each other depending on the boss. The game actually fully intends on Monks using either Claw OR Throwing. For 1 Chakra gets an extra bonus to ATK over all other weapons, Claw gets a higher bonus than everything else but less than Throwing. Geobreaker gets a passive -1 second just for using Throwing. Also Chakra adds ATK based on INT and clearly works really well with Throwing weapons. Monk's will probably have higher ATK than most Assassins due to this. So Monk's main weapons are actually Claw AND Throwing. Not just Claw. At least if we are going by the skills the class has. I watched some Videos from claw monk, geo monk and assassins also. Ur Info u give is Not New to me. And i would Not say, dont use throwing. Or dont do a geo monk. The point is just most throw Monk's wanna Spam geo breaker, but thats Not all a monk can do. Its like u mainly recharge mp with a h.wiz. And like u said, when it Shell Breaks, the point is when. A bs assassin do 100k bs without Shell break and maybe more, He also has d.attack, Monk's Not. But assassins are rare, so maybe its easier to get a throw monk in pt and u also benefit from their heal. But what if, assassin become more popular? Go more pt, what does a throw monk do then maybe At high Level, He maybe get harder pt as before? Then He has it Harder as a claw monk Who is able to use throwing. Remember crt/agi/int build. |
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 25, 2015 1:11:29 GMT
There's a vid a a Geobreaker Monk hitting 58k Geo on Raaton and over 100k when it Shell Breaks. They are pretty much on par, and will beat each other depending on the boss. The game actually fully intends on Monks using either Claw OR Throwing. For 1 Chakra gets an extra bonus to ATK over all other weapons, Claw gets a higher bonus than everything else but less than Throwing. Geobreaker gets a passive -1 second just for using Throwing. Also Chakra adds ATK based on INT and clearly works really well with Throwing weapons. Monk's will probably have higher ATK than most Assassins due to this. So Monk's main weapons are actually Claw AND Throwing. Not just Claw. At least if we are going by the skills the class has. I watched some Videos from claw monk, geo monk and assassins also. Ur Info u give is Not New to me. And i would Not say, dont use throwing. Or dont do a geo monk. The point is just most throw Monk's wanna Spam geo breaker, but thats Not all a monk can do. Its like u mainly recharge mp with a h.wiz. And like u said, when it Shell Breaks, the point is when. A bs assassin do 100k bs without Shell break and maybe more, He also has d.attack, Monk's Not. But assassins are rare, so maybe its easier to get a throw monk in pt and u also benefit from their heal. But what if, assassin become more popular? Go more pt, what does a throw monk do then maybe At high Level, He maybe get harder pt as before? Then He has it Harder as a claw monk Who is able to use throwing. Remember crt/agi/int build. Assassin damage is less if it doesn't double bstab(the flash thing thats based off double attack rate) and more if it does flash on most bosses. Higher Defense bosses will take more from Monk and Lower Defense will take more from Assassin. I'm not talking about crazy high def bosses either. One will do more on certain bosses than the other, and vice versa, or they will do about the same. Shell Break rate isn't really all that low either. It's easy enough to find a Monk that does more than Sin or the other way around because the damage is pretty similar. Either way we are talking about the 2 top DPS classes/builds in the game that can even out damage some DPS classes with crappy gear. AGI CRT INT Monks shouldn't use Throwing. Auto Attack Throwing builds are a waste on Monks as Claw will just do more damage with that build. I don't think either Assassin or Geo Monk will ever have trouble finding a party compared to other DPS classes unless everyone else gets a major buff while they get nothing. EXP parties already kind of suck for Assassin but may improve in the future(hopefullyyyy, til then Sins need to make Chanter friends muahaha). Claw builds don't do everything Monks can do either considering they can't Geo spam for super high DPS. Claw Monks are probably 1 of the best solo builds in the game though they are just suuper hard to gear so they actually can do that and do it well. I think they actually have some Tanking capabilities as well considering their survivability and the Hate they can get. |
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