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Post by Alfamale on Jan 7, 2015 6:27:46 GMT
Appreciate the effort for keeping this forum. I agree that unsavory things were said towards people running this forum, shouldn't have happened as they're not getting paid to moderate. Then again, we are entitled to our own opinions. As I think about it now, there was no need to take down those 2 boards section, could have just stopped the people causing trouble then again forum is yours and you can do whatever you want with it Agree with Deus and skene on the warning thread. Couldn't have said things better.
And no, I couldn't handle it. x.x Ehh some people don't follow the rules of the forum. All we ask is for everyone to get along and follow simple rules. It's pretty straight forward in the Community Guidlines. Yet, people think they can go against it and not get penalties. Just like irl if you screw up penalties come with your actions. |
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Post by Vashy on Jan 7, 2015 6:33:03 GMT
Show me a pic. Or something saying I was banned from refreshing. I'm in a lot of groups and fan pages on the net. I shared our guild link constantly. Also where did our guild insult mods or others players?
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Post by ۵ξχσ∂υѕ۵ on Jan 7, 2015 6:33:42 GMT
As dues had posted in another topic..
"Moderators need to learn to pick their battles.
They are too quick to use their powers.
Let adults talk and just erase/ban the obvious kids just there to cause strife.
Someone can say something funny in a thread and a simple "lol" gets erased as off topic.
The slightest heated argument gets sjw'd and locked.
Unless we are talking about favorite music in game or which fkn boss we'd like to date, the slightest deviation from original stated topic or the mearest hint of anger gets warnings and locks.
No real debates and learning happens if mods can't let conversations run their course and just pluck the obvious mischief makers away.
I loathe locked/deleted threads. Even if its the 5th thread about this topic this week... people clearly wanna talk about it. So let it happen.
Mods are quick to act and show little restraint or tact. And if you pm them and challenge their decision...
/ducks
The moderation of this board feels like children exercising a power over people they haven't even earned in real life.
If you've never managed people irl, how can u expect that mod to be tactful and educated over their management of people online.
Mod registration should include real world experience.
I don't care if you've been a successful mod on 3 other forums. Not impressed.
I don't care if u copy/pasted a useful guide from jp wiki. Not impressed.
I care about how you manage and treat people.
Period.
That's what a moderator does. Mediates problems.
Most mods on forums feel like high-school era popularity contestants.
Most became mods just for the power and noteriety.
Very few become mods for the right reasons. Cause its stressful and thankless.
A good mod you don't notice; all problems handled quietly and tactfuly in the background.
Not locked threads with that last post being the reason why. A little parental quip telling us to be good children from mods that makes me wanna scream.
You won't get rid of badbapples. They will just remake accounts. Deal with them however u can.
But when the community at large feels punished via locks/deletions/warnings, something needs to change.
And getting rid of guilds/general discussion boards is a knee-jerk over-reaction that does nothing useful.
People complaining of over-censure getting absolutely censored by deleting the conversation boards.
Wrong Solution."
The forum is like a High school "social" warzone.
The way the moderators are selected almost seemed like a popularity contest.
The fact that you made this specific forum has little to no meaning and doesnt make you right in any way.
I'd say that 95% of moderators actions here can be described as Children abusing the authority that was blindly handed to them.
Also the fact that you dont even play iruna anymore? You shold have passed the torch when you stopped playing, don't ya think? I honestly feel like the only people here that are fit to be admin or even a moderator would be:
Dues
Alfamale
CrazyKet
Or plageis (my bad if i had mis spelled your name bro)
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Post by bahamut on Jan 7, 2015 7:37:11 GMT
I'd just like to say locking the warning thread really helped. Seriously man just pass the torch already, if your not playing iruna it makes little sense to run a forum on it. If you cant find someone to be a admin/owner just pick a few of the most popular and just let them decide what happens
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Post by bahamut on Jan 7, 2015 7:38:01 GMT
Show me a pic. Or something saying I was banned from refreshing. I'm in a lot of groups and fan pages on the net. I shared our guild link constantly. Also where did our guild insult mods or others players? stop hijacking the thread lol and just pm the guy |
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Post by Alfamale on Jan 7, 2015 7:47:15 GMT
I'd just like to say locking the warning thread really helped. Seriously man just pass the torch already, if your not playing iruna it makes little sense to run a forum on it. If you cant find someone to be a admin/owner just pick a few of the most popular and just let them decide what happens It doesn't matter wether you play or not. This forum isn't the game. The admins/mods doesn't have to play in order to maintain peace on a forum. It's a place of information. |
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Post by bahamut on Jan 7, 2015 7:51:28 GMT
I'd just like to say locking the warning thread really helped. Seriously man just pass the torch already, if your not playing iruna it makes little sense to run a forum on it. If you cant find someone to be a admin/owner just pick a few of the most popular and just let them decide what happens It doesn't matter wether you play or not. This forum isn't the game. The admins/mods doesn't have to play in order to maintain peace on a forum. It's a place of information.[/quolte] Yh it's a place of information if you haven't played for 6 months you won't have updated information so you can't really contribute to the forum. Or if anyone posts fake info you won't know, won't be able to solve any info related disputes, won't be able to help in any technical/troubleshooting problems. Where as someone who is playing can contribute more and take the forums forward not backwards. |
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Post by ✧ on Jan 7, 2015 7:56:24 GMT
What would YOU do if YOU ran the forums?
What would YOU do if similar situations like this arise?
Would YOU let your own forum be filled with fights?
Shape has many more questions, however, I want it to keep it nice and simple.
Running the forums is harder than you think it is - so is running everything else, even a simple guild.
Just because one (or several) bad things happened (with a certain someone?), we don't go around pointing "naughty word YOU! naughty word YOU THIS, naughty word YOU THAT" at random people with moderator or admin that irrationally. We can do this peacefully, however, I highly and sadly doubt it as each person can perceive another's message with a much more different tone than the intended...
If a new forum comes around, that Admin and its mods would fall upon this similar situation - having their own members revolting against them like so.
Shape has more to say, however, Shape sleepy x3x
I highly doubt there would be a "perfect solution" to these cases. Making a new forum, deleting threads, banning, etc., it'll all still come. |
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Post by Alfamale on Jan 7, 2015 7:56:46 GMT
It doesn't matter wether you play or not. This forum isn't the game. The admins/mods doesn't have to play in order to maintain peace on a forum. It's a place of information.[/quolte] Yh it's a place of information if you haven't played for 6 months you won't have updated information so you can't really contribute to the forum. Or if anyone posts fake info you won't know, won't be able to solve any info related disputes, won't be able to help in any technical/troubleshooting problems. Where as someone who is playing can contribute more and take the forums forward not backwards. I rarely play Iruna and I can tell what's up to date and what's to come. In fact I've logged on for 5 days maybe 2-4 hours for each of those days in a total of 6 months. 99% of information on this forum is player based not Admin based. That's kinda the point in a "Community Forum". |
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Post by bahamut on Jan 7, 2015 8:04:39 GMT
I rarely play Iruna and I can tell what's up to date and what's to come. In fact I've logged on for 5 days maybe 2-4 hours for each of those days in a total of 6 months. 99% of information on this forum is player based not Admin based. That's kinda the point in a "Community Forum".[/quote]
there's a difference between rarely and not playing. You can tell what's upto date and help others on the forum but at this point K can't he just moderates, and that sounds boring and. And the point I was trying to make is if you cant contribute towards the community then why waste space being in it. It makes more sense to have someone who actually plays iruna and knows what there talking about. I've personally got nothing against K but it really seems like he doesn't want to be admin/ or its too much for him.
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Post by ✧ on Jan 7, 2015 8:10:50 GMT
I would also like to point out that a lot of people say that the moderators are "unfit, biased, retarded, evil, etc."
They also say that they want new admins and moderators.
Okay, sure.
How would this new Admin/Mod do differently or similarly?
What if you were them?
I don't know the answers to these, you tell me.
You say this fight should go on to express everyone's feelings and opinions?
A fire spreads.
People are going to get attacked, Guilds are going to get attacked, Reputations are going to get attacked, Feelings are going to get attacked.
Attack
Attack
Attack
Attacked.
It burns.
It burns.
It burns.
It burns...a lot.
How do you douse out this fire to stop it from causing any further harm?
I don't know, you tell me.
I'm just a simple Shape.
Sorry if this is off-topic, wanted to get this out here.
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Post by bahamut on Jan 7, 2015 8:20:46 GMT
What would YOU do if YOU ran the forums?
What would YOU do if similar situations like this arise?
Would YOU let your own forum be filled with fights?
Shape has many more questions, however, I want it to keep it nice and simple.
Running the forums is harder than you think it is - so is running everything else, even a simple guild.
Just because one (or several) bad things happened (with a certain someone?), we don't go around pointing "naughty word YOU! naughty word YOU THIS, naughty word YOU THAT" at random people with moderator or admin that irrationally. We can do this peacefully, however, I highly and sadly doubt it as each person can perceive another's message with a much more different tone than the intended...
If a new forum comes around, that Admin and its mods would fall upon this similar situation - having their own members revolting against them like so.
Shape has more to say, however, Shape sleepy x3x
I highly doubt there would be a "perfect solution" to these cases. Making a new forum, deleting threads, banning, etc., it'll all still come. well assuming everyone here is an adult and not a 4 year old then you would let them argue it out and step in if it gets out of hand. Each person has there own response to trouble K's was shutting down the two sections instead of dealing with the problem. It's like punishing a whole class of students for ones mistake. Like you said there no perfect solution but this isn't even a solution it's just avoiding the problem. Tbh I'm tired to and I'm on my phone so it's not working I'll reply later |
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Post by Alfamale on Jan 7, 2015 8:25:19 GMT
What would YOU do if YOU ran the forums?
What would YOU do if similar situations like this arise?
Would YOU let your own forum be filled with fights?
Shape has many more questions, however, I want it to keep it nice and simple.
Running the forums is harder than you think it is - so is running everything else, even a simple guild.
Just because one (or several) bad things happened (with a certain someone?), we don't go around pointing "naughty word YOU! naughty word YOU THIS, naughty word YOU THAT" at random people with moderator or admin that irrationally. We can do this peacefully, however, I highly and sadly doubt it as each person can perceive another's message with a much more different tone than the intended...
If a new forum comes around, that Admin and its mods would fall upon this similar situation - having their own members revolting against them like so.
Shape has more to say, however, Shape sleepy x3x
I highly doubt there would be a "perfect solution" to these cases. Making a new forum, deleting threads, banning, etc., it'll all still come. well assuming everyone here is an adult and not a 4 year old then you would let them argue it out and step in if it gets out of hand. Each person has there own response to trouble K's was shutting down the two sections instead of dealing with the problem. It's like punishing a whole class of students for ones mistake. Like you said there no perfect solution but this isn't even a solution it's just avoiding the problem. Tbh I'm tired to and I'm on my phone so it's not working I'll reply later The 2 boards are temporarily down. Not permanently down. |
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Post by ✧ on Jan 7, 2015 8:30:50 GMT
well assuming everyone here is an adult and not a 4 year old then you would let them argue it out and step in if it gets out of hand. Each person has there own response to trouble K's was shutting down the two sections instead of dealing with the problem. It's like punishing a whole class of students for ones mistake. Like you said there no perfect solution but this isn't even a solution it's just avoiding the problem. Tbh I'm tired to and I'm on my phone so it's not working I'll reply later K did deal with the problem - by temporarily removing it. Even though it is not the "perfect solution"
Fights tend to spread like wildfire.
More and more people will get involved.
More and more people will have themselves and their guild too (perhaps) get caught in this fire.
How would the moderators react to this?
You tell me. You get the point.
Sorry if this is off-topic. From what the intentional purpose of this thread is...
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Post by ggtalon on Jan 7, 2015 8:32:35 GMT
The only reason this is so big is due to the simple fact the beginning stages were handled poorly. There was questionable use of power and personal feeling where it should have been objective. Understanding that the Mod app's main purpose is to find those with knowledge on subject matter, it does not necessarily determine ability/application of thought or social graces and people management. When a Mod comments on your thread, you should think "oh look a useful response," not "wonder what they took offense at."
It is understood there will be issues. the Stick-in-the-mud players who want to cause trouble, but they are not many. About the discussions, players enjoy them (which include the popcorn eating debates.) Everybody likes the forum. It was a problem of certain actions occurring too quickly with too little handling experience. Just to have certain powers does not mean one has to use them.
-a timed lock warning may be useful. giving a thread 24-48hrs etc. Gives both players and mods a set. Players time to finish their discussion/popcorn. Mods just doing what they need to do while maintaining order. (Penalties are understood repercussions, but useless and counter productive if used incorrectly.)
issue should not have even reached K. Who of course reached a decision that effectively ended the problem. It's similar to letting your queen be taken first in chess. Don't.
-all opinion so far-
As for questions in K's ability to run the forum. If she has effectively run it this long (obviously over 6 months) she has the most experience and ability and is therefore fit to do it.
refreshing panes...
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