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Post by GENSHIN™ on Oct 13, 2014 17:01:25 GMT
OK so it has come to mind that there aren't a lot of hybrid enchanters on iruna from what I've seen as most ppl see it as the not so popular build with sword so I was approached by someone while I was in rokoko and they asked me about this build so I decide to do a thread as most chant builds I see are claw and the odd cane user enchanter and a lot of ppl talking trash about sword enchanter which is wrong. I am not a pro by no means at all but I need a clear this up and help a few ppl with the little bit of knowledge I know of the class. So typical hybrid build is int vit agl dex! A lot of ppl say 125-135 ish agl which I thought wasn't really anuff for the basic needs of evasion I'd say put at least 150 agl in my eyes I think that's the minimum but hey each to there own! Its really straight forward tbh cap int is a must 150 agl then can either choose to opt for more dex for hit,drain,item use age etc. Vit for even better survival. Stone skin needs vit regardless for that iron wall defends we are known for if ya sword build hybrid even if I was a claw enchanter I'd still have some vit what gd is all that Eva if all it takes is 1 hit for skin to break and ya left wide open your are not going to be able to recover fast anuff if the boss/mob hits hard and rarely misses which is gunna happen sooner or later tbh prime example is at ifrit for example this is going of a enchanter around lvl200 and below ofc ya gunna have a lot more points at higher levels to do as you please with the extra points. But anyways back to the ifrit subject I was there awhile back hunting ifrit and happened to stumble a cross some claw build enchanters chatting bare ish about how he could tank better then me which doesn't really concern me tbh anyways his arrogance was soon out lived once his Eva failed yep you seen it coming boom 1 shot ko let's just say his arrogance didn't last long lol and tbh another thing I'd like to say is I'm sorry but claw enchanter is not stronger then sword build enchanter at all after the DMG is so weak hahaha all that time spent distributing them points to become just as average as a average sword enchanter I'm sorry to go on but I'm really getting pissed of with all the bs that has been going around at the end of the day do you own build and not slate other ppl build I'm slating now coz I literally had anuff of it.taking about builds can make you go of track like what has just happened hahaha my bad but I had to mention it  as far as xtals and equips go atm like I said I ain't pro and don't have no claim to be pro I just play the game tbh atm for my hybrid I have a few equips which help for different situations. Swords I have via espada grecia don't know what that xtal doing in there tbh its been there for along time lol laeviten slot ziddu but I'll take that out and replace with maybe kaiser2,dunkelis, something along them lines armor atm I have d.mail shojo,DPR up fg, and licht armor clean atm. Add I have bog standard ciel lol and aulis gale but would get maybe mir symbol,glory cloak or Rita eye patch possibly special I use lotus seed ns slot would be nice but hey can't be to picky haha mirage stone also seems to work pretty well for added tankyness from what I experienced. There is a huge range of xtals to use as enchanter tbh and I always find myself constantly messing around with them so if any other hybrid enchanter has something to add to this thread in regards to xtals and equips then feel free to holla I'd appreciate all info so we have a solid guide to this subject. If any claw enchanters were hurt in the making of this thread then my bad I guess but ya mad me mad and I ain't taking it nomore someone's gotta speak up so I thought who better then me the renegade enchanter hahahaha have fun and enjoy the game as always guys
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 3:34:16 GMT
Hey Gen its Achilles ^^/ as you kniw this is already my build but a lil diff in points but great effort in the guide bro |
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Shiruyui
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Post by Shiruyui on Oct 14, 2014 4:18:50 GMT
Well, first of all, I am a 'hybrid-dps' enchanter. I use Claws and Swords. My stats are max int, 132 agi, 200 dex and rest vit (about 7). I think 132-135ish agi is enough for max aspd with claw/sword. This is a sword build but I'm using claws, I'm not an Agi/Crt/Int enchanter. Anyways. You can put more agi, up to you, We enchanters have many different builds so yeah, we do have a lot of freedom regarding builds & equipments. As for the fact that 'claw enchanters are weaker than sword enchanters', I disagree. There aren't any better kind of enchanters, each kind has their own bad and good points. For example, I can solo take down a MegaRoche in less than 45sec with my Pramia Claws, with a 10k+ additionnal magic attack. Same with my Dia Espada, it can also take down a MegaRoche in around 60sec. I drain faster with my Dia than my Claws but whatever. Just my opinion. Back to main topic: sharing builds/equips/xtals.
In my opinion, a good build would be: Max int, 135 agi, 100ish dex, 100ish vit (could be 50vit/dex too whatever). Int for matk, Agi for max aspd, Dex for draining/spells, Vit for stone skin. Equips now. My dps set is: Pramia/Gerust, DPR up/shojo (planning to get moldus), Mir Symbol/FG. Tanking set: Judgement/HP+20% (claws) | Sinbad2/Kaiser, Leather Coat up/Sofys, Viola/HP+20%, Dragonewt/Sofys. Yes I do prefer claws over Swords but that's my choice. As for XTals, I'd say that all MATK xtals would be good: Kaiser/Kaiser2, FG, Gerust, Moldus, Isurugi, Mezza, etc. Isurugi might hurt your mp but if you have ★mp cost abilities it can help you. Counter Xtals like Sofys or Anubites would he good too, but personnally I prefer Sofys over Anubites.
P.s: Concerning the title 'Hybrid Enchanter' you mean using all Sword/Claws/Cane? o.o? If so why are you only talking about Swords?
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Oct 14, 2014 6:37:24 GMT
I'm not sure what you refer to as "Hybrid". A typical Auto-Attack Enchanter will have max INT and maxASPD AGI then DEX, with the choice of adding more VIT or AGI for their survivability. This is a normal build, there really aren't much choices aside from introducing CRT.
There is a misconception of autoattack enchanters being Claw build or Sword Build or Cane Build (I don't know who started this). When you know what you are doing, you can use all weapons (even bow or throw weaps or whathaveyou) since you don't really rely on your ATK for your DPS. You rely on the autoskill that comes with the weapon (which is usually MATK based). You only rely on your ATK when you have CRT, and that is the only time you would define your weaponry build because you will be keen on weapon-stat progression for your ATK.
Anyway, I have put my enchanter back in the drawing board and am currently considering to be pure melee build. I'm not sure if that lands as a hybrid or just a weird build. With my old cane build, I can do 35sec average mega kills at Lv160+ and I know I can push to maybe around 20sec average mega kills when I grow more levels. It is not bad but I want to do something else, which is why I plan to re-invent my enchanter. If I like the math that I see for melee, I will reset and proceed, If I don't, then I might as well build a skill spammer instead.
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 14, 2014 6:54:37 GMT
"Hybrid"? You mean the original enchanter build/set? Idk how long you have been playing, but we all have been here before; if you played long enough.
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 14, 2014 6:56:08 GMT
Btw, when you take out that Ziddu, I will buy it if you don't got any plans for it. I need to finish my set.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Oct 15, 2014 4:46:52 GMT
agree with above, your build is not hybrid enchanter. in our term, we call that "normal enchanter". that build of yours is the first build ever emerge in iruna English world.
cane is not weird at all in my opinion. it is listed on iruna wiki as enchanter weapon. just because people don't use it doesn't mean it is out of this world. once you've seen cadal alexio at 90%-99% wild magic power + extend + cane, you will see why cane is in the list.
edited: these skills above sound weird because it is not available yet and that's also the reason why cane is not usable yet.
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elias
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The strength of a knight, the wisdom of a wizard. I am a magic warrior, I am an Enchanter!
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Post by elias on Oct 15, 2014 5:28:03 GMT
cane is not weird at all in my opinion. it is listed on iruna wiki as enchanter weapon. just because people don't use it doesn't mean it is out of this world. once you've seen cadal alexio at 90%-99% wild magic power + extend + cane, you will see why cane is in the list. My counter-enchanting set uses resty rod o.o/ and its pretty cool n.n "Just touch me, i dare you." •Elias•, Counter Enchanter |
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Oct 15, 2014 5:41:07 GMT
cane is not weird at all in my opinion. it is listed on iruna wiki as enchanter weapon. just because people don't use it doesn't mean it is out of this world. once you've seen cadal alexio at 90%-99% wild magic power + extend + cane, you will see why cane is in the list. My counter-enchanting set uses resty rod o.o/ and its pretty cool n.n "Just touch me, i dare you." •Elias•, Counter Enchanter the one who try before making statement. you are a rare breed here. |
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elias
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The strength of a knight, the wisdom of a wizard. I am a magic warrior, I am an Enchanter!
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Post by elias on Oct 15, 2014 12:28:09 GMT
My counter-enchanting set uses resty rod o.o/ and its pretty cool n.n "Just touch me, i dare you." •Elias•, Counter Enchanter the one who try before making statement. you are a rare breed here. Hell yes! *-*/ We may be one in a million, but we DO exist and we ROCK!!! Check my thread "The Counter Enchanter", hope u like it  |
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 15, 2014 14:51:57 GMT
If anything, my enchanter type I invented: Counter enchanter is hybrid, not this original enchanter stuff masquerading as a hybrid. Hybrids between attack and defense autoskills.
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 15, 2014 14:55:56 GMT
Also I can't help but feel as though this post is just a rant about personal grudges against other types of enchanters/other enchanter players in general.
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elias
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The strength of a knight, the wisdom of a wizard. I am a magic warrior, I am an Enchanter!
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Post by elias on Oct 15, 2014 14:56:09 GMT
If anything, my enchanter type I invented: Counter enchanter is hybrid, not this original enchanter stuff masquerading as a hybrid. Hybrids between attack and defense autoskills. Buddy we have to meet in game *-*/ "Just touch me, i dare you." •Elias•, Counter Enchanter |
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as far as xtals and equips go atm like I said I ain't pro and don't have no claim to be pro I just play the game tbh atm for my hybrid I have a few equips which help for different situations. Swords I have via espada grecia don't know what that xtal doing in there tbh its been there for along time lol laeviten slot ziddu but I'll take that out and replace with maybe kaiser2,dunkelis, something along them lines armor atm I have d.mail shojo,DPR up fg, and licht armor clean atm. Add I have bog standard ciel lol and aulis gale but would get maybe mir symbol,glory cloak or Rita eye patch possibly special I use lotus seed ns slot would be nice but hey can't be to picky haha mirage stone also seems to work pretty well for added tankyness from what I experienced. There is a huge range of xtals to use as enchanter tbh and I always find myself constantly messing around with them so if any other hybrid enchanter has something to add to this thread in regards to xtals and equips then feel free to holla I'd appreciate all info so we have a solid guide to this subject. If any claw enchanters were hurt in the making of this thread then my bad I guess but ya mad me mad and I ain't taking it nomore someone's gotta speak up so I thought who better then me the renegade enchanter hahahaha have fun and enjoy the game as always guys 
