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Post by Evira on Sept 16, 2021 7:31:41 GMT
I’m seeing a lot of negativity about HW lately, and I’m curious to know if it’s actually all that bad from a general view or is it just a specific play style that’s been affected?
Only curious because I wanted to remake into Bishop but my magic gear is better suited for HW and it’s easier to solo MQ as Wiz without spending absurd amounts of spina for bishop counter set or mq “service”
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Post by senoragi on Sept 16, 2021 14:05:07 GMT
I’m seeing a lot of negativity about HW lately, and I’m curious to know if it’s actually all that bad from a general view or is it just a specific play style that’s been affected? Only curious because I wanted to remake into Bishop but my magic gear is better suited for HW and it’s easier to solo MQ as Wiz without spending absurd amounts of spina for bishop counter set or mq “service” hw only has two great skills to use: Imperial ray (skill 240/320) and zero ray (skill 300), both are weak compared to geo monk, enchanter (even after nerfed), ninja magic (HW biggest rival because hes everything HW should be), Necromancer and summoner (yes, a job with skills capped at lv 280 can dealt more dmg and tank more than u lmao) Hw has a lot of negatives, for example his skills only deal good damage against earth, fire, wind and water, When other classes use their skills against wrong elements the damage is reduced by 30~50%, but for imperial ray it is reduced by up to 87~88% 😂 if you are going to level up, you can only go up vs Baum warrior (earth) cuz yarde is light, 3i is neutral and moss golem is dark. All final eps bosses are neutral, dark or light Sianas: light then dark Raton: Neutral both ratons. Ouvel: neutral Gk: neutral then dark then light Joshuca: Dark then light Sauros wibo: neutral The choice of elements that the Dev makes doesn't help HW 😂 Cast time is too high, no survival, no support skills for party, no great heal, low mana heal Compared to Enchanter or Alchemist (they have more hp than you so the mana heal is much higher), Earthquake's 5s Paralysis erase thunderbolt 11s paralysis (Wtf, fix it asobimo), grigori apply ailments once a month, Bandersnatch will fail (troll) the Assault buff When you need it most, Imperial ray "Law of element%" is hard to up to 100% vs Mobs and almost IMPOSSIBLE/UNVIABLE vs Boss (unlike ninja's sekyoku, ninja is a super buffed hw) multicast negative forces you to cast an imperial ray with at least 4s cast time, if you lower it to 3.9s the final damage is automatically decreased by 10% And it can decrease more until reaching 1s cast time (this negative is called Multicast attenuation), Force boost has 30s power up buff and after this time end, you die or disconnected you receive 60 fuc#ing seconds real life recast time (your full party will love to wait your 60s LMAO) the basic dmg of all elemental skills is lower than Bishop's Nemesis: Earthquake matk x8 Thor hammer matk x8 Meteor storm Matk x8 Blizzard basic 4 hits matk x8 (x10 if hit 6times) Bishop's nemesis: matk x9 Zero ray: matk x10 Imperial ray lv2(standard, no elemental): matk x5.25 The equipment with quaternary magic element (wind/fire/earth/water) are most enjoyed/used100% For ninja etc There are still many other negatives, but if I tell I will cry and you who are reading too so have mercy for this "High" Wizard. .............. Well for your mq...a lv 120 bish vs lv120 hw, bishop is better. lv 140 bish vs lv 140 hw, hw dealt much more dmg but can die, while bishop can kill slow and super safer (If you die you waste a lot of time) A lv 180 bishop has Nemesis so will tank, heal and dealt more dmg and more damage per second than a lv 180 hw, hw will only win in terms of DMG (only) if it spell burst, But it will keep losing in damage per second even if lv 220 (Manastock),240(imp ray) or 260 (bandersnatch) These are the details that make HW the worst job in the game, be the Top16 best job (but the game has only 16 job hahaha)
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Post by Aza on Sept 16, 2021 15:25:34 GMT
Most people believe HW is at the bottom now. Imagine #2 class drop to #16 so people are pretty pissed off 😂 RIP investment.
Also, HW is glass, but no 'cannon' to compensate, only AOE that can be cast twice and standard dmg zero ray.
HW has no unique trait, if HW can do something, other class can do better.
AOE farm on low lv mobs we have servant AOE farm on high lv mobs we have sniper Ailment we have alchemist Free MP recharge, alchemist too (higher HP, top survival) Magic DPS, enchanter maybe necro soon
HW is a generalist.. but currently, generally useless, people tend to seek the best toget their jobs done. HW is only welcomed on MG grind, if there is geo in the team, as a freeze slave. For bossing, alchemist or even sniper are preferred. Most HW die quite often on boss farm.
On the other hand, the best 2s equip for HW is superbly hard to get. Braid and scroll case are not from common mobs. Best 2s spec for zero ray is nearly impossible to get if you don't buy slotter from shop and skr is from prod. Meanwhile, geo monk best 2s are dropped from ep.1 mobs and some card dude, both are common mobs.
And even after wearing their best 2s, HW is not that OP, because they die alot 😂 While geo, after they get the schmuck and wild ring, they can readily farm s450.
There are more but I'll stop here.
If you're a budget player, I advise you to not to play Hw. Bishop is better. Or servant, but most likely hard at MQ.
To answer your question, both zero and imperial are hard to play. You can build it so you don't die much but if you look another class, they are better. Hw life is tough.
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Post by senoragi on Sept 16, 2021 16:48:18 GMT
Most people believe HW is at the bottom now. Imagine #2 class drop to #16 so people are pretty pissed off 😂 RIP investment. Also, HW is glass, but no 'cannon' to compensate, only AOE that can be cast twice and standard dmg zero ray. HW has no unique trait, if HW can do something, other class can do better. AOE farm on low lv mobs we have servant AOE farm on high lv mobs we have sniper Ailment we have alchemist Free MP recharge, alchemist too (higher HP, top survival) Magic DPS, enchanter maybe necro soon HW is a generalist.. but currently, generally useless, people tend to seek the best toget their jobs done. HW is only welcomed on MG grind, if there is geo in the team, as a freeze slave. For bossing, alchemist or even sniper are preferred. Most HW die quite often on boss farm. On the other hand, the best 2s equip for HW is superbly hard to get. Braid and scroll case are not from common mobs. Best 2s spec for zero ray is nearly impossible to get if you don't buy slotter from shop and skr is from prod. Meanwhile, geo monk best 2s are dropped from ep.1 mobs and some card dude, both are common mobs. And even after wearing their best 2s, HW is not that OP, because they die alot 😂 While geo, after they get the schmuck and wild ring, they can readily farm s450. There are more but I'll stop here. If you're a budget player, I advise you to not to play Hw. Bishop is better. Or servant, but most likely hard at MQ. To answer your question, both zero and imperial are hard to play. You can build it so you don't die much but if you look another class, they are better. Hw life is tough. stop, Aza. we are humiliating too much the poor "Low Wizard". lmao
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Post by blackghost on Sept 16, 2021 21:46:24 GMT
Quick reminder: Adventurer is the worst class. HW is only #15. I used to think paladins have it rough until I read this thread.
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Post by senoragi on Sept 16, 2021 22:17:57 GMT
Quick reminder: Adventurer is the worst class. HW is only #15. I used to think paladins have it rough until I read this thread. Adventurer top17 hehehe Paladin lmao, just watch my paladin light magic on youtube dealing 500~600k dps and tanking like a god lmao, Hail Light pally!! Hail Holy Thrust!! 200iq build
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Post by AnTz on Sept 17, 2021 6:19:58 GMT
Quick reminder: Adventurer is the worst class. HW is only #15. I used to think paladins have it rough until I read this thread. Paladin is far from worst class LOL. Yes, it isn't belong to top 10 DPS. But it can lvling faster than HW (thx to immortal set), soloing MQ/non MQ much easier than HW, and it is far easier to get PT than HW. (Every class when being compared to HW feels like god )
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Post by Hsaputro (Retired) on Sept 17, 2021 10:49:59 GMT
Wow
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Post by blackghost on Sept 18, 2021 1:50:48 GMT
Quick reminder: Adventurer is the worst class. HW is only #15. I used to think paladins have it rough until I read this thread. Paladin is far from worst class LOL. Yes, it isn't belong to top 10 DPS. But it can lvling faster than HW (thx to immortal set), soloing MQ/non MQ much easier than HW, and it is far easier to get PT than HW. (Every class when being compared to HW feels like god ) lvling for paladins only gets remotely decent when you're at lvl240. Before that enjoy getting your ass clapped by Yardes for days then lvl up once in that whole time. I'm not even going to talk about 3yes. You need damage to actually farm exp from a moss golem. If you don't have knight's gauge you'd be lucky if you could do 10k damage with an immo set. Pots are needed for like EVERYTHING. From mp restorers, HP restorers, vaccines, maybe a stat boost or nah. Burn is the biggest paladin menace and the most available thing to cure it is moist dirt and thats not even a guaranteed cure. Theres like, 2 realistically viable paladin armors and 2 paladin weapons. Special equips? M Y R I C A fuckin W R I S T L E T Because variation is gay. Every other class has to focus on one specific game mechanic. Paladins: max HP+% and Melee and magic res+% sprinkled with rate cut+% with a side of equipment defense stats on ailment res+%. With a light magic+% milk shake to wash down the dry ass atk stats to go boss fighting pls. Oh don't forget my hate rise+% that comes with the purpose of my whole class. Oh and don't give me the "just party with a-" nah bro stfu. You think its that easy mofucka? I'm tryna solo a boss you think I have the time to sit and wait for a minstrel or bishop to coincidentally pop up? Or you think friends are always going to be online? Nah Bruh, that is not this works. The next problem is definitely the damage. Like, do you know what my main problem was mqing? Never dying but not being able to kill the boss then end up running out of time. I was effectively Saitama but limited to using farts. But compared to HW that's almost nothing. No damage AND can't tank? Bruh.
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Post by blackmoon on Sept 19, 2021 13:44:59 GMT
Have u ever playing HW before? Do play HW, until capped preferred and well geared, and do please comment here.
With full resistance set, doing MQ will do smooth sailing, until u meet a certain freezing aunty with whip. Hell mode started.
Long time ago, when HardHit is the only dmg skill u have, with VIT and few INT on the stat, that was the real really hard time. Peck! Peck! Peck! Peck! Peck! Hitting Albrero days in days out. Same as ManaWave sound effect. Rejected here and there. Me, with one move of my staff Albrero vanished! I laughed so hard.
But now, they transformed into being which is almost unkillable. Meanwhile here we still doing Peck! The same ManaWave visual and sound effect On our 340 skill. And died every 5 seconds. Rejected here and there.
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Post by AnTz on Sept 19, 2021 19:52:19 GMT
Paladin is far from worst class LOL. Yes, it isn't belong to top 10 DPS. But it can lvling faster than HW (thx to immortal set), soloing MQ/non MQ much easier than HW, and it is far easier to get PT than HW. (Every class when being compared to HW feels like god ) lvling for paladins only gets remotely decent when you're at lvl240. Before that enjoy getting your ass clapped by Yardes for days then lvl up once in that whole time. I'm not even going to talk about 3yes. You need damage to actually farm exp from a moss golem. If you don't have knight's gauge you'd be lucky if you could do 10k damage with an immo set. Pots are needed for like EVERYTHING. From mp restorers, HP restorers, vaccines, maybe a stat boost or nah. Burn is the biggest paladin menace and the most available thing to cure it is moist dirt and thats not even a guaranteed cure. Theres like, 2 realistically viable paladin armors and 2 paladin weapons. Special equips? M Y R I C A fuckin W R I S T L E T Because variation is gay. Every other class has to focus on one specific game mechanic. Paladins: max HP+% and Melee and magic res+% sprinkled with rate cut+% with a side of equipment defense stats on ailment res+%. With a light magic+% milk shake to wash down the dry ass atk stats to go boss fighting pls. Oh don't forget my hate rise+% that comes with the purpose of my whole class. Oh and don't give me the "just party with a-" nah bro stfu. You think its that easy mofucka? I'm tryna solo a boss you think I have the time to sit and wait for a minstrel or bishop to coincidentally pop up? Or you think friends are always going to be online? Nah Bruh, that is not this works. The next problem is definitely the damage. Like, do you know what my main problem was mqing? Never dying but not being able to kill the boss then end up running out of time. I was effectively Saitama but limited to using farts. But compared to HW that's almost nothing. No damage AND can't tank? Bruh. Why you sounds like it is very hard? Just do MQ till lv260-280 n u can start grinding at MG. Yes, ur damage is low, but u can't die and u hav infinite mp. It's a privilege that not every class can get (unless u have high lv chasing n can produce private gears). Don'r talk about hard if u never feels the real hard way. Back then in 2013, players choose to become paladin is either hardcore boss farmer or totally noob. I'm included in that second category. Special sword isn't released yet. So our only option is normal sword (which is not recommended by almost all guides of that time, every guide said to go int build) and magic sword. The only magic sword at that time is Hexe Espada n Sinbad. Already can imagine the hardness? No one farm boss colon, and u can't solo it efficiently (lv cap is 140ish). Sinbad isn't an option unless u're super rich. How I lvl my pally? By finishing MQ, then I could do ATG quest til lv120, then went grind naga till like forever
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Post by AnTz on Sept 19, 2021 20:01:34 GMT
Have u ever playing HW before? Do play HW, until capped preferred and well geared, and do please comment here. With full resistance set, doing MQ will do smooth sailing, until u meet a certain freezing aunty with whip. Hell mode started. Long time ago, when HardHit is the only dmg skill u have, with VIT and few INT on the stat, that was the real really hard time. Peck! Peck! Peck! Peck! Peck! Hitting Albrero days in days out. Same as ManaWave sound effect. Rejected here and there. Me, with one move of my staff Albrero vanished! I laughed so hard. But now, they transformed into being which is almost unkillable. Meanwhile here we still doing Peck! The same ManaWave visual and sound effect On our 340 skill. And died every 5 seconds. Rejected here and there. I never play as HW, but I have HW frens, so I do realize their problem. HW isn't really good at anything other than mob farmer (which realistically speaking, bishop stil better due to they simply can't die n no need to recharge mp). Now they are the broken glass cannon. Hopefully the dev make the correct adjustment to bring back the old glass cannon
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Post by blackghost on Sept 20, 2021 13:13:58 GMT
lvling for paladins only gets remotely decent when you're at lvl240. Before that enjoy getting your ass clapped by Yardes for days then lvl up once in that whole time. I'm not even going to talk about 3yes. You need damage to actually farm exp from a moss golem. If you don't have knight's gauge you'd be lucky if you could do 10k damage with an immo set. Pots are needed for like EVERYTHING. From mp restorers, HP restorers, vaccines, maybe a stat boost or nah. Burn is the biggest paladin menace and the most available thing to cure it is moist dirt and thats not even a guaranteed cure. Theres like, 2 realistically viable paladin armors and 2 paladin weapons. Special equips? M Y R I C A fuckin W R I S T L E T Because variation is gay. Every other class has to focus on one specific game mechanic. Paladins: max HP+% and Melee and magic res+% sprinkled with rate cut+% with a side of equipment defense stats on ailment res+%. With a light magic+% milk shake to wash down the dry ass atk stats to go boss fighting pls. Oh don't forget my hate rise+% that comes with the purpose of my whole class. Oh and don't give me the "just party with a-" nah bro stfu. You think its that easy mofucka? I'm tryna solo a boss you think I have the time to sit and wait for a minstrel or bishop to coincidentally pop up? Or you think friends are always going to be online? Nah Bruh, that is not this works. The next problem is definitely the damage. Like, do you know what my main problem was mqing? Never dying but not being able to kill the boss then end up running out of time. I was effectively Saitama but limited to using farts. But compared to HW that's almost nothing. No damage AND can't tank? Bruh. Why you sounds like it is very hard? Just do MQ till lv260-280 n u can start grinding at MG. Yes, ur damage is low, but u can't die and u hav infinite mp. It's a privilege that not every class can get (unless u have high lv chasing n can produce private gears). Don'r talk about hard if u never feels the real hard way. Back then in 2013, players choose to become paladin is either hardcore boss farmer or totally noob. I'm included in that second category. Special sword isn't released yet. So our only option is normal sword (which is not recommended by almost all guides of that time, every guide said to go int build) and magic sword. The only magic sword at that time is Hexe Espada n Sinbad. Already can imagine the hardness? No one farm boss colon, and u can't solo it efficiently (lv cap is 140ish). Sinbad isn't an option unless u're super rich. How I lvl my pally? By finishing MQ, then I could do ATG quest til lv120, then went grind naga till like forever did this man just say "Do MQ till lvl 260-280"? Wow Bruh. Such a high IQ strat. Why didn't I think of that? "Back then in 2013..." OK boomer *laughs in idgaf*
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Post by Random.Num.Generator on Sept 21, 2021 4:55:42 GMT
Back to the topic. HW were really popular in the past for the high amount of damage and the AoE they did. Earthquake for example, hitting the party-targeted mobs even if they were all the way across the map from the user. With the updates made in recent years and the addition of higher level skills, HW's were severely left behind on the damage scale due to a lot of factors. Yes, they are still useful but when comparing it to the damage they were able to produce back in the lower level days it just can't compete with some of the other classes nowadays. While most of the other classes got skills which greatly benefitted their gameplay, HW's didn't get such benefits and in some cases even got disadvantages. Hopefully the new changes coming for HW will make them more likable again. If you do still enjoy being a HW then just figure out how you want to play it as. Sometimes the "standard" of what everyone thinks isn't all there is.
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Post by ishayel on Sept 28, 2021 6:01:45 GMT
Hw ecen not good to farm monsters. His best aoe is earth and you loose 1% max hp at each use..... For less dmg than nemesis without hp loss
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