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Post by wafu on Feb 10, 2020 18:03:10 GMT
what set can heal atleast 10k+ for non bishop?
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Post by Niu on Feb 10, 2020 20:27:03 GMT
For non bishop, do you mean a heal reward set for mini heal? This is the bishop section though.
For heal reward use Heal staff, Leather coat reup, Miselatis reup, Knight necklace/Spirit statue/Fossil ring, Botaniga xtals.
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Post by wafu on Feb 11, 2020 14:26:15 GMT
For non bishop, do you mean a heal reward set for mini heal? This is the bishop section though. For heal reward use Heal staff, Leather coat reup, Miselatis reup, Knight necklace/Spirit statue/Fossil ring, Botaniga xtals. does heal reward+heal recovery set better for mini heal or full heal reward set is much better? |
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Post by x2nd on Feb 11, 2020 15:29:32 GMT
For non bishop, do you mean a heal reward set for mini heal? This is the bishop section though. For heal reward use Heal staff, Leather coat reup, Miselatis reup, Knight necklace/Spirit statue/Fossil ring, Botaniga xtals. does heal reward+heal recovery set better for mini heal or full heal reward set is much better? For job that use mini heal. Fixed heal reward usually better. For job that hv high heal then heal % is better This equip might help rising mini heal Miselatis (Strengthened 2) [Additional] 📷 ATK: 16 DEF: 21 Heal reward +2000, Heal reward +8% DEX+10 Auto recovery +15%, Cast time -25% Delay-1.4sec if INT>299. Heal Reward +2000 Heal Reward +8% DEX +10 Auto HP Recovery +15% Auto MP Recovery +15% Cast Time -25% If [INT > 300] then Skill Delay -1.4s Item Delay -1.4s Leather Coat (Strengthened 2) [Armor] 📷 DEF: 16 Absolute&Magic evasion +6%, MDEF+15% Burn time -0.5sec, Heal reward +1500 Auto MP recovery +50% Auto MP Recovery +50% Absolute Evasion +6% Magic Evasion +6% MDEF +15% Burn -0.5s Heal Reward +1500 Notes: DEF = Leather Coat (Strengthened 1) +10 ◇Botaniga [Crystas] Heal reward +100 Heal reward up based on VIT [X = VIT] [X = X / 10] [X = X · X] [X = X / 2] [X = X + 100] [Heal Reward up by X] To help giving view of botaniga. At 400vit gv heal reward +1000 Knight Necklace [Special] Melee R +2%, Neutral R +3% Heal reward up if VIT>149 Melee R +2% Neutral R +3% If [VIT > 150] then [X = VIT] [X = X · 2] [Heal Reward up by X] Heal Reward +1% At 400vit gv heal reward +800 Jade Ricus [Swords] 📷 ATK: 131 Auto HP recovery +1000&+50% MaxHP+20%, Heal reward +10% Item recovery +10% Auto HP Recovery +1000 Auto HP Recovery +50% MaxHP +20% Heal Reward +10% Item Recovery +10% ☆ Heal Reward Lv1: Heal Reward +100, Heal Reward +1% Lv2: Heal Reward +150, Heal Reward +1% Lv3: Heal Reward +200, Heal Reward +1% Lv4: Heal Reward +250, Heal Reward +1% Lv5: Heal Reward +300, Heal Reward +1% |
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Post by Niu on Feb 11, 2020 15:50:46 GMT
does heal reward+heal recovery set better for mini heal or full heal reward set is much better? Most sets I've seen are flat heal reward except for weapon because I don't think there's a decent heal reward weapon. That being said, for example if you're using veltria (mini heal 1) with ~500 basic heal amount:
Full heal reward set (the one in my last post with ns knight necklace, example 300 vit): Heal = (flat heal) * (heal reward%) * (heal recovery%)
= (500 + 1500 + 2000 + 300 * 2 + 3 * ((( 300 / 10) ^ 2 ) / 2 + 100 )) * (1 + 0.08 + 0.01) * (1 + 0.3) = 8856
If you for example change Miselatis into Gnade Tail (Heal recovery +40% with canes): Heal = (500 + 1500 + 300 * 2 + 3 * ((( 300 / 10) ^ 2 ) / 2 + 100 )) * (1 + 0.01) * ( 1 + 0.3 + 0.4)
= 7297
Now same setups, different character: mini heal 3 (~700), 450 vit: Heal reward set: 11956 Heal reward + Gnade Tail: 12038
Here your flat heal without Miselatis gets high enough to benefit more from heal recovery %, but the difference isn't much.
In conclusion removing any heal reward equip seems like a bad idea in most cases. I'm not comparing Leather Coat and the best heal recovery armor Sacred Robe because for this its 20% heal recovery is kind of sad. The +30% recovery from heal staff is good but if there was a weapon with heal reward +2000 or more that would beat it. Using Botaniga with lower vit is less useful but still good, considering the highest heal recovery xtal is (not yet in eng?) Viviana with only +12%. |
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Post by Niu on Feb 11, 2020 17:08:04 GMT
There's also Saint Rod II with heal recovery +35% that I didn't know about, that seems to be the best non-bish heal rod as of now. Yggdrasil bow has +35% too but isn't your heal lower with any weapon that isn't a rod?
Actually Sakura Petal (+50% heal recovery) is better than Knight Necklace even for mini heal. Also taking into account Saint Rod II, extra 5% heal recovery.
case 300 vit, veltria (500):
Knight Necklace: (500 + 1500 + 2000 + 300 * 2 + 3 * ((( 300 / 10) ^ 2 ) / 2 + 100 )) * (1 + 0.08 + 0.01) * (1 + 0.35) = 9196 Sakura Petal: (500 + 1500 + 2000 + 3 * ((( 300 / 10) ^ 2 ) / 2 + 100 )) * (1 + 0.08) * (1 + 0.35 + 0.5) = 11289
case 450 vit, mini heal 3 (700): Knight Necklace: (700 + 1500 + 2000 + 450 * 2 + 3 * ((( 450 / 10) ^ 2 ) / 2 + 100 )) * (1 + 0.08 + 0.01) * (1 + 0.35) = 12416
Sakura Petal: (700 + 1500 + 2000 + 3 * ((( 450 / 10) ^ 2 ) / 2 + 100 )) * (1 + 0.08) * (1 + 0.35 + 0.5) = 15060
...Yeah, that seems to be it. Use those heal reward abilities and that's a pretty high heal, if you have Sakura Petal s or any of these equips 2s it seems possible to reach over 20k with mini heal 3.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually tested any of this, my heal reward set is still missing xtals, someone correct me if I got something wrong.
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Feb 11, 2020 21:15:44 GMT
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Post by Aza on Feb 11, 2020 21:15:44 GMT
My HW has a huge 400 VIT and I have tried both sakura petal and knight necklace. Knight necklace is a bit better for self heal. At least for me. My heal set is
Heal branch 2s Botaniga Botaniga
Leather coat LU botaniga
Miselatis LU botaniga
Knight necklace
Heal around 7k
Was using Eclaire, best for self-heal, but it's a claw so it dispells my multicast buff just by switching to it. Another great weapon is sion capel for AGI user. Rods also have some good heal boost but haven't tried any.
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Post by Niu on Feb 11, 2020 22:37:15 GMT
My HW has a huge 400 VIT and I have tried both sakura petal and knight necklace. Knight necklace is a bit better for self heal. At least for me. My heal set is Heal branch 2s Botaniga Botaniga Leather coat LU botaniga Miselatis LU botaniga Knight necklace Heal around 7k Was using Eclaire, best for self-heal, but it's a claw so it dispells my multicast buff just by switching to it. Another great weapon is sion capel for AGI user. Rods also have some good heal boost but haven't tried any. Just the flat heal reward from your set should be 1500+2000+4*900+800 = 7900 though? That's strange, maybe the formulas we have for Botaniga and/or Knight necklace are wrong or heal recovery% and heal reward% are completely useless. |
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Post by x2nd on Feb 11, 2020 23:16:52 GMT
My HW has a huge 400 VIT and I have tried both sakura petal and knight necklace. Knight necklace is a bit better for self heal. At least for me. My heal set is Heal branch 2s Botaniga Botaniga Leather coat LU botaniga Miselatis LU botaniga Knight necklace Heal around 7k Was using Eclaire, best for self-heal, but it's a claw so it dispells my multicast buff just by switching to it. Another great weapon is sion capel for AGI user. Rods also have some good heal boost but haven't tried any. Just the flat heal reward from your set should be 1500+2000+4*900+800 = 7900 though? That's strange, maybe the formulas we have for Botaniga and/or Knight necklace are wrong or heal recovery% and heal reward% are completely useless. How much t heal from above? Might still useful on %heal reward but after flat heal reward maximize . %Heal recovery usefull if use jade ricus. If not using jadericus base hp recovery usualy low n need stop moving. Kinda remember cant get recovery if im running with no bless buff or on fight with no bless ◇Botaniga [Crystas] Heal reward +100 Heal reward up based on VIT [X = VIT] [X = X / 10] [X = X · X] [X = X / 2] [ X = X + 100] [Heal Reward up by X] Yea true it seems t 100 is same not different. So botaniga 900 at 400vit |
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Feb 11, 2020 23:58:18 GMT
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Post by Aza on Feb 11, 2020 23:58:18 GMT
My HW has a huge 400 VIT and I have tried both sakura petal and knight necklace. Knight necklace is a bit better for self heal. At least for me. My heal set is Heal branch 2s Botaniga Botaniga Leather coat LU botaniga Miselatis LU botaniga Knight necklace Heal around 7k Was using Eclaire, best for self-heal, but it's a claw so it dispells my multicast buff just by switching to it. Another great weapon is sion capel for AGI user. Rods also have some good heal boost but haven't tried any. Just the flat heal reward from your set should be 1500+2000+4*900+800 = 7900 though? That's strange, maybe the formulas we have for Botaniga and/or Knight necklace are wrong or heal recovery% and heal reward% are completely useless. Yeah the heal formula is strange. I'll try on my HW again later. |
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Feb 12, 2020 0:06:06 GMT
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Post by Aza on Feb 12, 2020 0:06:06 GMT
Ouch my bad. It's not botaniga on my arm and add. I'm using kaise pilz and seele zauga 2. The reason is to keep my HP and MP above resist set, so I can have full HP and nearly full MP when switching to resist set. My heal using knight necklace is 6.6k while using sakura petal 6.3k.
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Post by Niu on Feb 12, 2020 0:51:13 GMT
Ouch my bad. It's not botaniga on my arm and add. I'm using kaise pilz and seele zauga 2. The reason is to keep my HP and MP above resist set, so I can have full HP and nearly full MP when switching to resist set. My heal using knight necklace is 6.6k while using sakura petal 6.3k. Nice that sounds better. It's still not what it should be though with the % multiplier, I wonder what's up with that. I also went to test my own heal reward set and I get a little bit less than I should too, it's like the heal recovery+% only affects some small part. |
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