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Post by Almas on Aug 1, 2018 20:35:34 GMT
So I haven't actually played actively since September or October of 2016 I think. I only came back once to switch and try SK build as a lot of JP players I've been following then were using said build. I was a bit surprised when I came back and found out about the changes that was recently implemented and if I may say, I am not entirely happy with it but hey change is something constant and we just have to deal with it. I've already tried different ways of playing ninja — traditional auto-attack claw ninja, interfike ninja, special bow ninja, doc spammer ninja, PF before switching to SK build. I really enjoyed the short time I played as an SK ninja, I liked the damage output. I think this is the last time I tried it with friends:
Right now, I feel unimpressed of SK because who wouldn't? Lol. I do not have the best gear nor the highest levelled ninja but I know my nin is pretty decent. ![]()  My latest SK damage to a crappy mob with self buffs
Buffed stats
Crystas Anyway, as I've said, I'm fine with changing build again but what's the current meta now? What's the most viable with in terms of solo and party play? So, I've read that when it comes to weapon, special claw is the new meta. Question is would that be better than, let's say a fully equipped Elemental Bow ninja? Because I also wanna be realistic, I just came back and I don't really have the resources to get slotted special suited for Spec Claw. Or would Orichal Bangle Slotted work for the meantime and outdamage Normal Elemental Bow with Adamantite Slotted? I have seen and read the changes but I haven't had the time to figure things out since I've been busy as well. So any inputs would be greatly appreciated. |
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Post by Done~with~forums on Aug 1, 2018 20:45:04 GMT
My opinion is at 340 magic skills just are more effective in dps and survivability due to being able to get mp buff without swaping sets makeing it better to be the tank of a pt or yin pf yin 0 clones yin pf....
I also say throw is the best wep for ninja doc/magic/sk dont matter
My build is for the 340 skills and i do 600-700k doc pf with
Int 380
Dex 300+
Crt 301
Vit 110
Str 98
Lvl 320
If i put my dex stats into str i would have way more doc pf dmg....
Also my al are set for evasion not atk/matk but thats just my preference
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 1, 2018 21:28:09 GMT
Summon Dragsbro senpai :3 Not sure about current meta now, but yea SK got nerfed a lot. As Done~with~forums said, magic ninja skill (read: jutsu) will be best damaging skill once skill lv.340 released. For now, sk need more matk than crt, so struggler > ultimi. |
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Dragsbro
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 2, 2018 9:35:34 GMT
Almas I think in terms of DPS the easier to get is DoC. Next comes not-out-yet magic skills and then SK. I'm just talking about how EASY getting a decent DPS is since they all globally have the same DPS anyway x) With very few gears, there are lv 200ish ninjas attaining 100k DoC, spammable. Yup >.> About magic ninjas, it's ok from lv100 but the MP drain will hurt you until 220. And then again you'd need the lv320 to get your damages boosted, and even then it wouldn't even come close to DoC and SK. It only catches up at the not out yet 340 skills. About SK, i say it's hard to get dmgs because of the big amount of skill points you need as well as expensive stuff. But if you take everything at a meta point, they all have kinda same dps. Although i think in general, DoC is better/handier. The only problem being, one clone get kicked away and you lose 1/3 of your dmgs. In short: -DoC: Worst solo option (without good eva), Easiest damages to get, much weaker when you lose a clone -SK: Best solo option, hardest dmgs to get, the less clones the more dmgs (i did go up to 820k+ solo with good equipments, and still not the best ones) -Magic: OK solo option, really shines in parties where your ailments help everyone out. DPS is ok to get as well and your dmg don't rely on clones at all.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 2, 2018 9:57:58 GMT
My opinion is at 340 magic skills just are more effective in dps and survivability due to being able to get mp buff without swaping sets makeing it better to be the tank of a pt or yin pf yin 0 clones yin pf.... I also say throw is the best wep for ninja doc/magic/sk dont matter My build is for the 340 skills and i do 600-700k doc pf with Int 380 Dex 300+ Crt 301 Vit 110 Str 98 Lvl 320 If i put my dex stats into str i would have way more doc pf dmg.... Also my al are set for evasion not atk/matk but thats just my preference use monty+cgb and max int/crt instead of putting str and you'll have a better atk than with like, 100 str x) |
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Post by Almas on Aug 2, 2018 16:44:45 GMT
Almas I think in terms of DPS the easier to get is DoC. Next comes not-out-yet magic skills and then SK. I'm just talking about how EASY getting a decent DPS is since they all globally have the same DPS anyway x) With very few gears, there are lv 200ish ninjas attaining 100k DoC, spammable. Yup >.> About magic ninjas, it's ok from lv100 but the MP drain will hurt you until 220. And then again you'd need the lv320 to get your damages boosted, and even then it wouldn't even come close to DoC and SK. It only catches up at the not out yet 340 skills. About SK, i say it's hard to get dmgs because of the big amount of skill points you need as well as expensive stuff. But if you take everything at a meta point, they all have kinda same dps. Although i think in general, DoC is better/handier. The only problem being, one clone get kicked away and you lose 1/3 of your dmgs. In short: -DoC: Worst solo option (without good eva), Easiest damages to get, much weaker when you lose a clone -SK: Best solo option, hardest dmgs to get, the less clones the more dmgs (i did go up to 820k+ solo with good equipments, and still not the best ones) -Magic: OK solo option, really shines in parties where your ailments help everyone out. DPS is ok to get as well and your dmg don't rely on clones at all. 1. You got any video about this unreleased magic ninja skill? 2. When you say with very few gears, what exactly do you mean? When I was a DoC spammer, I believe I was able to do up to 200K/sec. So how was the DoC mechanic changed? Let's say there's no balance update, what do you think is the damage output of those ninjas? 3. About the expensive SK ninja gears, how expensive? If I show my gears would you be able to take a look what needs changing? I have read that Imseti is now outdated and it's better to focus on magic attack now? Now I'm thinking I just might have to stay as SK ninja and just tweak some gears if that's the case. Thanks for the input! |
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Post by Almas on Aug 2, 2018 16:46:43 GMT
My opinion is at 340 magic skills just are more effective in dps and survivability due to being able to get mp buff without swaping sets makeing it better to be the tank of a pt or yin pf yin 0 clones yin pf.... I also say throw is the best wep for ninja doc/magic/sk dont matter My build is for the 340 skills and i do 600-700k doc pf with Int 380 Dex 300+ Crt 301 Vit 110 Str 98 Lvl 320 If i put my dex stats into str i would have way more doc pf dmg.... Also my al are set for evasion not atk/matk but thats just my preference Okay, you're dealing 600-700K at what interval? Back then, you'd have to keep buffing Phantom Flame and getting your clones up, how is it how? |
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Post by NightBreeze on Aug 2, 2018 17:28:44 GMT
My opinion is at 340 magic skills just are more effective in dps and survivability due to being able to get mp buff without swaping sets makeing it better to be the tank of a pt or yin pf yin 0 clones yin pf.... I also say throw is the best wep for ninja doc/magic/sk dont matter My build is for the 340 skills and i do 600-700k doc pf with Int 380 Dex 300+ Crt 301 Vit 110 Str 98 Lvl 320 If i put my dex stats into str i would have way more doc pf dmg.... Also my al are set for evasion not atk/matk but thats just my preference Okay, you're dealing 600-700K at what interval? Back then, you'd have to keep buffing Phantom Flame and getting your clones up, how is it how? There are 2 ways: 1. Yin -> DoC then repeat PF -> DoC. PF min delay is 3s, so that's the interval for spamming explosion. 2. Yin -> DoC then repeat Yin X2 -> DoC. This gets the interval down to 2s, since Yin delay is 1s. The downside is when you deactivate Yin your clones are erased, so you're left vulnerable for 1s. After the balance update, PF doesn't consume clones when using DoC. |
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Post by Almas on Aug 2, 2018 18:05:48 GMT
Okay, you're dealing 600-700K at what interval? Back then, you'd have to keep buffing Phantom Flame and getting your clones up, how is it how? There are 2 ways: 1. Yin -> DoC then repeat PF -> DoC. PF min delay is 3s, so that's the interval for spamming explosion. 2. Yin -> DoC then repeat Yin X2 -> DoC. This gets the interval down to 2s, since Yin delay is 1s. The downside is when you deactivate Yin your clones are erased, so you're left vulnerable for 1s. After the balance update, PF doesn't consume clones when using DoC. Thank you. So it looks like they got the bigger numbers while in reality, the actual DPS is not really that far with properly geared SK nin then since SK is spammable. |
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 2, 2018 18:06:19 GMT
Almas i'll be answering in a moment, excuse my absence pwp
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 3, 2018 12:19:35 GMT
Almas I think in terms of DPS the easier to get is DoC. Next comes not-out-yet magic skills and then SK. I'm just talking about how EASY getting a decent DPS is since they all globally have the same DPS anyway x) With very few gears, there are lv 200ish ninjas attaining 100k DoC, spammable. Yup >.> About magic ninjas, it's ok from lv100 but the MP drain will hurt you until 220. And then again you'd need the lv320 to get your damages boosted, and even then it wouldn't even come close to DoC and SK. It only catches up at the not out yet 340 skills. About SK, i say it's hard to get dmgs because of the big amount of skill points you need as well as expensive stuff. But if you take everything at a meta point, they all have kinda same dps. Although i think in general, DoC is better/handier. The only problem being, one clone get kicked away and you lose 1/3 of your dmgs. In short: -DoC: Worst solo option (without good eva), Easiest damages to get, much weaker when you lose a clone -SK: Best solo option, hardest dmgs to get, the less clones the more dmgs (i did go up to 820k+ solo with good equipments, and still not the best ones) -Magic: OK solo option, really shines in parties where your ailments help everyone out. DPS is ok to get as well and your dmg don't rely on clones at all. 1. You got any video about this unreleased magic ninja skill? 2. When you say with very few gears, what exactly do you mean? When I was a DoC spammer, I believe I was able to do up to 200K/sec. So how was the DoC mechanic changed? Let's say there's no balance update, what do you think is the damage output of those ninjas? 3. About the expensive SK ninja gears, how expensive? If I show my gears would you be able to take a look what needs changing? I have read that Imseti is now outdated and it's better to focus on magic attack now? Now I'm thinking I just might have to stay as SK ninja and just tweak some gears if that's the case. Thanks for the input! 1) (If you have any comments to leave under the japanese guy's videos, please leave it in japanese or a polite english) 2) Kodachi 3, ira, barbaro all ganei and atleta ns with 6 trash yellow AL x) I think the dmg got increased, although i can't test how much it did, and you don't need huge -delay to spam DoC at max power now, only 2 seconds x) 3) Well.. Aster l4/l5 sauro II, Struggler/fred, spin shield (i' advise it over faw, it became super cheap) or faw dunk 2, and spec 2 agiras or president mezza, with ouvel/gk/sauro ii/sauro III/enina/zazel/parazaia etc |
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