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Post by Done~with~forums on Jul 8, 2018 0:26:01 GMT
#Nublife
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♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Jul 8, 2018 1:59:46 GMT
most paranoid set i can think of
genius+dmail+blue epaulette ---all dmg negate counter xD
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jul 8, 2018 2:01:38 GMT
most paranoid set i can think of genius+dmail+blue epaulette ---all dmg negate counter xD what xtals should i use in it 20%hp stuff? Im looking for that heal chance |
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Post by lahunts on Jul 8, 2018 2:10:14 GMT
Negate set:
Weapon options:
Genius
Body options:
Schwermer reup (higher def)
Dragon mail reup (higher resist)
Add options:
Blue Epaulette (matk based)
Luna Epaulette (more matk based)
Ensis shield up* (Atk based)
*double counter dmg of others
Spec options:
With 400 int gaeity ring is the best imo, but you could use any spec or slotted spec you want because there isn't a spec out that has negate on it yet. (two sloted spec from mq would be great here too because u could use two jahoels or jahoel with a counter by defense crystal for more dmg)
Use autoskill abilities
Crystal options:
Fredrico
Body guard cordal
Roudolf
Pole
Jahoel
Praldy
Anything that adds autoskill or maxhp
Al options:
Cordal
Halios
Cordal 2(unreleaaed)
Jahoel(unreleased)
Anything that adds autoskill or maxhp
Purple and red lines are a must for more hp and autoskill rate
After this it's just min maxing your auto skill rate and your max hp. If the mob can one shot you, negate does not work. If you don't have enough autoskill then it may not negate. Just as long a one works your safe but if more then one activates it will heal you for the dmg you would've taken (this is what makes this set better then resist).
I recommend super refining both your armor and add. The extra defense really helps keep the dmg from getting to high. Also adding in a resist crystal or a vatendeth Al can also help with high dmg just don't overwrite the negate autoskill with say iniliba's autoskill.
I have 50k maxhp and a 96.5% chance that one of my gears will negate damage. I can get it to 98.6% with a fortune pill ;which is +10% autoskill. (alchemy level 163)
My alchemist is able to solo joshuca in a negate set, if I use ham cutlets (maxhp +35%) and snake talisman (maxhp +20%) to boost my hp. Then spam thick Rev M or L and heal. Spec Rev ale would work too. Joshuca can still kill me if I get hit by too many room effects at the same time so negate doesn't work on room effects.
***Unlike the resist set, not every class can use this set effectively. For example: This set doesn't not stack with pally's parry skill. If parry activates, negate won't.
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jul 8, 2018 2:25:32 GMT
Depend for what class. For enchanter case, you dont need too much autoskill rate since we have limit break + qadal which covers 80% our autoskill proc rate. Even I can negate 95% Jusal damage without stone skin just with 20% autoskill rate (from gear & apos) and cyan apos as ench  Best damage negate set In my opinion: • Genius • Dragon Mail reup • Blue Epaulette / Luna Epaulette • Any spec with resist / rate cut/ Autoskill stats. |
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Post by lahunts on Jul 8, 2018 2:52:07 GMT
Depend for what class. For enchanter case, you dont need too much autoskill rate since we have limit break + qadal which covers 80% our autoskill proc rate. Even I can negate 95% Jusal damage without stone skin just with 20% autoskill rate (from gear & apos) and cyan apos as ench Best damage negate set In my opinion: • Genius • Dragon Mail reup • Blue Epaulette / Luna Epaulette • Any spec with resist / rate cut/ Autoskill stats. How is your dmg in the negate set? Do you build for spec sword? Or just build normal enchanter and use negate set when things get bad then switch to dmg set to finish things off? I've thought about making a enchanter focusing on the negate set but it just doesn't seem like the dmg would be good enough... |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jul 8, 2018 3:12:36 GMT
lahunts my enchanter just common auto attack build. I rarely use damage negate set because its not realible against newest boss (unless you use SR gear). For damage, my auto attack ench can do 40k-50k Freesia rod auto damage without spellboost, also 7k Dragon mail & Blue epaulette auto. Damage negate set is esential for qadal spammer which usually utilize counter set + spam qadal for dps. I believe that ench which focused in counter build can do up to 100k-200k per counter attack, plus 100k-200k qadal damage. Not mention that qadal ignore def & mdef.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 5:38:19 GMT
My monk's current negate set:
Judgement iii curonne
D.Mail up curonne
Ensis up curonne
Ssf ns
Yeah that's also my jog set lol tho I plan to make a separate jog set coupled with resistance, then make this set better.
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Post by dalton on May 23, 2020 21:35:52 GMT
Sorry for bumping old thread.  I tried to use schwermer on my bk, and my schwermer counter can proc with my magic parry simultaneously, so i think negate set still works on pally or bk. And iniliba counter (reduce damage) still work with magic parry too. I tried moon scimitar ii counter and it's counter can negate damage too but the counter damage is not fixed like dmail or ensis. can anyone test this sword too? |
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Post by izukazu on May 26, 2020 12:26:30 GMT
Iirc moon scimitar only do counter dmg not negate like dragon mail.
The dmg increase by 200 every lvl, at lvl 400 i think this wpn can dealt 80k max counter dmg(atm testing with lvl 350 character and dealt 70k max dmg) and yeah the dmg is unstable.
The higher dmg u received,the more dmg u will counter.at least u need to get hit around 10-15k to make the counter dealt high dmg.
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Post by Loftyz47 on May 26, 2020 13:22:30 GMT
luna epaulette has estimated 12-15% proc rate, compared to blue epaulette's estimated 7%.
(based on my own testing)
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Post by dalton on May 26, 2020 17:30:09 GMT
Iirc moon scimitar only do counter dmg not negate like dragon mail. The dmg increase by 200 every lvl, at lvl 400 i think this wpn can dealt 80k max counter dmg(atm testing with lvl 350 character and dealt 70k max dmg) and yeah the dmg is unstable. The higher dmg u received,the more dmg u will counter.at least u need to get hit around 10-15k to make the counter dealt high dmg. I test it the damage is not based on lvl and it can negate sometimes too, you can see my test here: my equip moon scimitar ii mage garb sector plaster up for auto% ominous doll for auto% |
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Post by izukazu on May 26, 2020 20:06:33 GMT
I don't see any negate there.
Moon scimitar hav 2 counter.
Counter by deff and counter by evasion.
Counter by evasion is only active if u can evade atk and this counter dmg is equal to your normal crt dmg(u wouldn't receive any dmg if u evade atk).
Counter by deff is active when u receive dmg & the dmg is based on lvl(some counter based on atk stat but moon scimitar based on lvl).
Negate auto is chance by deff not evasion.
I test it on lvl 328 character,the dmg is indeed base on lvl
200 x 328=65600
Moon Scimitar dealt unstable counter dmg(by deff).
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Post by dalton on May 26, 2020 21:26:18 GMT
I don't see any negate there. Moon scimitar hav 2 counter. Counter by deff and counter by evasion. Counter by evasion is only active if u can evade atk and this counter dmg is equal to your normal crt dmg(u wouldn't receive any dmg if u evade atk). Counter by deff is active when u receive dmg & the dmg is based on lvl(some counter based on atk stat but moon scimitar based on lvl). Negate auto is chance by deff not evasion. I test it on lvl 328 character,the dmg is indeed base on lvl 200 x 328=65600 Moon Scimitar dealt unstable counter dmg(by deff). I know the difference between counter on evasion and physical counter by defense. Cross counter (counter on eva from moon scimitar) didn't have animation when triggered, physical counter do have. The physical counter from this sword have the same animation like dmail/schwermer/ensis or other negate gear. Watch my video again and skip to the time stamp that i make on comment, the second time stamp. Then focus on my hp bar when the counter triggered. Edit: damn my eyes at 00 am, didn't see that the hp bar decreasing my bad. Counter by defense damage  If using your formula that based on lvl my counter should deal lvl 367x200= 73k damage |
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Post by izukazu on May 27, 2020 0:57:21 GMT
U need to receive high dmg to achive tht counter,at least u need to get hit around 15k dmg.
Cuz if u receive low dmg,the counter dmg will dealt low dmg too.
Try do it at boss tht can hit u 10k+ every hit,i'm pretty sure u will see it.
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