Gakamis
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Post by Gakamis on May 26, 2018 17:25:32 GMT
I kinda want to create a ninja account, but i cant realy decide on a build. I would like to get some extra info on builds too, since the posts seem old, so just quick summary. So I would go with normal claw ( agi-crt-str ) build, but i realy wanna try ( special ) bows ( never used them alot, but i liek bows :DD ). Could Somebody give short summary of each proes and cons?
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on May 26, 2018 18:41:08 GMT
Special Bow ninja is outclass a claw one, you need thimble and put on AGI, DEX, CRT
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 20:22:41 GMT
I kinda want to create a ninja account, but i cant realy decide on a build. I would like to get some extra info on builds too, since the posts seem old, so just quick summary. So I would go with normal claw ( agi-crt-str ) build, but i realy wanna try ( special ) bows ( never used them alot, but i liek bows :DD ). Could Somebody give short summary of each proes and cons? # Auto attack builds: • Normal claw - agi crt str gr rd • Special bow - agi crt str or dex gr rd - pro: high eva, high pf doc damage, very low mp consumption, can spam doc with another gear set, functional from lv100 - con: low dps if you follow the typical gear build; might wanna invest on interfike and/or dual blow and physical autoskills if you wanna up your overall dps as an auto attack build # Magic builds: • Sk ninja (throw) - int dex crt gr bl - pro: high damage, widely accepted in parties, mid-high pf doc damage, can play as a pure magic ninja, can spam doc with another gear set, comparably cheaper xtals than other ninja builds - con: needs lv300, low eva without investing in eva+ stuff especially with spin shield, needs constant cloning cuz sk eats one clone per use and does more damage with less clones, investing in elemental weapons can be expensive • Pure magic ninja (thow/staff) - int dex crt vit (for struggler) gr bl - pro: can paralyze enemy, can clone and do damage at the same time with domination, can play as an sk ninja, can use magic counters to do more dps when soloing/tanking, more hp so losing clones isn't as dangerous as usual, future sk build assuming that the test server balancing is final, can spam doc with another gear set - con: low eva without investing in eva+ stuff, lower overall dps without iruna jp skills and/or magic counters, counters useless if you increase evasion, skills have cast times and some are long # Doc spam: • Normal throw - int crt str gr rd - pro: mid-high dps, high pf doc damage - con: low eva without investing in eva+ stuff, low dps before lv140, needs -8sec skill delay to maximize dps, less clones = less dps, qc abi can be expensive, investing in elemental weapons can also be expensive • Special claw - str crt dex gr rd • Normal bow - dex crt str gr rd - pro: same as throw, can use normal swords - con: same as throw Anyway, this is just how I view the builds. Let the pros out there correct anything I said wrong ✌
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on May 26, 2018 21:00:00 GMT
Here my ninja overview after class adjusment:
# Auto-Attack (either bow/nail user) Lowest dps among all other build today. After adjusment, their gap even more worse. Even if you managed to get interfike, auto attack ninja need 2 minute to kill 10m hp luna. Survival wise, they had better evasion compared to other build.
#Sk build Most popular build today. Sadly, their future is dark. Sk need 24 sec to kill 10m hp luna. Seems good, but actually their dps only better than auto-attack user. Survival wise, lower than auto-attack user because you need sacrifice your clone each time you use sk.
#Doc spam Can kill 10m hp luna in 21 sec. Honestly, their dps is impressive because in future, you can do 500k+ doc damage just with 3 clone. Survival wise, better than sk since you dont need sacrifice your clones. Oh yea damage wise spec claw > normal bow > spec bow.
#Magic ninja (jutsu user) Today, their dps is low. But in future, their dps is highest among all other ninja build. Can kill 10m hp luna just in 16 sec, only lose to assassin & enchanter dps . Survival wise, maybe little bit lower than other build. But in future, clone(s) will eat mp each second. When you cast domination, clones mp cost will become 0 for 10 sec which make your clone more stable.
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Post by Ravitox on May 26, 2018 21:25:32 GMT
I kinda want to create a ninja account, but i cant realy decide on a build. I would like to get some extra info on builds too, since the posts seem old, so just quick summary. So I would go with normal claw ( agi-crt-str ) build, but i realy wanna try ( special ) bows ( never used them alot, but i liek bows :DD ). Could Somebody give short summary of each proes and cons? Lower level ninjas (under 300) are usually claw or doc spam (bow) build. Most ninjas over 300 are either Silent Kill or Doc Build (phantom flame buff). You also have the rare magic ninjas. I won't list the obvious pros and cons that are consistent across all ninja builds, like how they are all weak to poison, etc. Claw Build: Pros -CHEAP -Easy MQ and leveling early on -Very strong solo early on Cons -Very slow grind X.X -Does not fit in party well -Low damage after 200 or so -Low boss farming/ mob farming ability -also no good way to make spina
Doc Spam: Pros -Good damage -decent survivability -good solo and grinding ability -Can use Phantom Flame well at 320+ Cons -a little bit expensive -Running out of mp to spam -Not survivable enough to fully solo, but not quite dps enough to carry a party... -Decent gear will always help
Magic Ninja: Pros -You can solo just about every MQ with a pet (maybe even without) -GOOD Damage -Fits well in a party, no problem with hp healing/bless -Can adjust build for Silent Kill more easily at level 300 -You can kill 3i at level 180 (I have done it with my magic ninja) Cons -Dies often, more vulnerable -Slow grind if fully soloing mobs -Timing is strange and sometimes a bit difficult
TL;DR: Claw Nins are cheap, but weak. Doc Ninjas are well rounded, so I recommend. Magic ninjas are only good for certain types of players, so only go for them if you are daring or rich.
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Gakamis
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Post by Gakamis on May 28, 2018 6:16:02 GMT
thanks .what would doc spam equipment is ? also can u tell what equips for lowering hp to be able to clone? i dont have enough money for ganei
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Ravitox
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Editing the assassin gear sets...
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Post by Ravitox on May 28, 2018 6:52:40 GMT
thanks .what would doc spam equipment is ? also can u tell what equips for lowering hp to be able to clone? i dont have enough money for ganei
I'll give you a cheap answer, since you can't afford Ganei yet. Weapon: The most common doc spam weapon is a bow. I like Moonlight Bow, but feel others for more dmg, cheapness, or elements. Armor: Schwartz (not upgraded) -30%MaxHP Additional: Ghost Ring (not upgraded) -20%MaxHP Special: Magical Ring -40%MaxHP if under lv 200. Total: -90%MaxHP...You will need a spare piece of armor or add gear that adds hp, or is slotted with a MaxHP+700 xtal, so when you switch armors to clone, your hp drops low enough. You can only survive with this. If you want better damage, mp cost, etc, you will need to buy ganeis and gear meant for spamming. You can look at the ninja cloning guides for more gear suggestions. Edit: here's the link to the one with info on cloning too: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/6010/ninja-guide-wip
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 6:55:34 GMT
thanks .what would doc spam equipment is ? also can u tell what equips for lowering hp to be able to clone? i dont have enough money for ganei
You need to have -8 sec skill delay to be able to spam 9-clone-doc and it won't be cheap. The weapon depends on your build, but the rest are more or less the same. Currently, I use: Purity claw ii w/ cerberus qc3 (I'm a special claw build) Exe 4 magonza eva5 Schwartz ganei (for cloning) Barbarotita re up ganei Disaster stone ns Cheltil Sauro ii With this set, I could spam 7 clones and do 89k-93k per second to nommars at level 187. It's not the best set out there, but it's working great so far. You could use my set as a guideline and edit it to your preferences and make it better.
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on May 28, 2018 7:42:47 GMT
You dont need -8 sec sd since full qc abi will hurt your dps & wallet. Furthermore, with future update, 3 clones doc can do 500k+ damage with less sd recuirements. So, in my opinion, get at least -4 sec sd gear for doc for your current dps set (only use 5 clone to spam doc) & preparation for future update.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 13:15:06 GMT
You dont need -8 sec sd since full qc abi will hurt your dps & wallet. Furthermore, with future update, 3 clones doc can do 500k+ damage with less sd recuirements. So, in my opinion, get at least -4 sec sd gear for doc for your current dps set (only use 5 clone to spam doc) & preparation for future update. Using my equipment as basis: 1) current equipment, -6.3sec sd, 7 clone spam = 91,000 damage 2) current equipment without qc3 abi, -5.7sec sd, 6 clone spam = 80,412 damage 3) current equipment with another qc1 abi, -6.9sec sd, 7 clone spam = 85,371 damage 4) current equipment with two more qc1 abi, -7.5sec sd, 8 clone spam = 91,134 damage 5) current equipment with three more qc1 abi, -8.1sec sd, 9 clone spam = 95,288 damage 6) curent equipment replacing armor with ira re up, -4.5sec sd, 5 clone spam = 77,061 damage (These are not actual values and I assumed a lot of stuff. In an actual situation, the values should be higher). Having -8sec sd would give me max dps ✌. It does hurt the wallet, but not the damage especially if qc is upgraded. Btw at number 3, if you spam 8 clones, it's 97,567 damage per 1.1sec, which is the biggest number so far, but you are actually only doing 88,697 damage per one second. The reason I've stopped buying qc abis is cuz of the future updates like you said when we only need -2sec sd to spam. The thing is we don't know when these will be released, so I'll stick to my 7 clone spam for now @-@.
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Post by Makina Yuki on May 28, 2018 13:19:21 GMT
The reason I've stopped buying qc abis is cuz of the future updates like you said when we only need -2sec sd to spam. This is main reason why I suggest to just have -4 sec sd
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