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Post by Undyne on Mar 23, 2018 14:20:53 GMT
And that's pretty much my point. Hw had about the evasion rate of about 800 eva IF they're lucky with practically no defense skills.they cut both the damage and evasion bonus from the one skill that realistically keeps them alive, then halve the one time damage cut skill.I'm not mad about the damage cut, I'm mad they're taking any safety I had (wasn't much to begin with) to use my skills
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 23, 2018 14:22:19 GMT
Undyne Stone skin is not Op, especially since many rate hp attack boss. Even before clone nerfed, ench stone skin is underestimated. Honestly I feel that enchanter is more dps class rather than tanking class now. Nowday, many boss that can easily deplete ench stone skin in one hit. Lets take Ignatz, lastest mq boss for example. Unless I use my defensive apos, my stone skin easily depleted in one hit. It even worse if I use my dark set which consist 2 dajarte. Not mention that ench need dps preparation takes 5-8 sec each limit break > qadal. Best defensive mechanic so far is from gladiator. Solid skin similiar with ench stone skin but str based (also thicker than ench) plus drain hp & mp via attack/skill.
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Mar 23, 2018 14:22:54 GMT
You talking about Monk? EVA is still weak against melee skill attacks o.o Eva isnt reliable tho, I have 1.1k eva Yeah. I agree with you. If I get a Stefly's Book, I'd change to AGI CRT VIT Monk Build. Martial Arts seems too good to cover the lack of ATK.
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Post by Undyne on Mar 23, 2018 14:33:07 GMT
My point here is, every class has at least one reliable defense skill (excluding sniper/mins who are getting one, then hw and ninja) which helps them solo, or just not need a bishop/servant every second of their existence. Mirage was never a good defense buff, all it did for me was cover for that 20% chance of bander disappointing me.Then the assault buffs Eva was some consolation and look at it now. I'll take the damage nerf, but the evasion decrease honestly seems like a bit much
Makina Yuki I'm not calling stone skin op, I'm simply comparing the mirage nerf to something you'd better understand. Its a one time buff that greatly reduces damage taken, except yours activates regardless of the amount of damage, as mirage feels like pure RNG sometimes
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Post by Rocketpower on Mar 23, 2018 14:48:00 GMT
My point here is, every class has at least one reliable defense skill (excluding sniper/mins who are getting one, then hw and ninja) which helps them solo, or just not need a bishop/servant every second of their existence. Mirage was never a good defense buff, all it did for me was cover for that 20% chance of bander disappointing me.Then the assault buffs Eva was some consolation and look at it now. I'll take the damage nerf, but the evasion decrease honestly seems like a bit much I'm pretty sure asobimo is doing this for fair play. So every Jobs can get in at Party's.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 23, 2018 14:49:05 GMT
Maybe some expert that his/her first char is sniper or assasins still remember how hard playing as sin & snip at early level because they almost had no defensive skill. Indeed, they got survival skill but at high level. Also, mins almost had no defensive skill .-.
Wizard class still better, they had drain & reflect at early level. As long I use correct gear and had enough level, soloing mq as wizard until matadora is possible even with crap gear. Meanwhile sniper & assasins only relies at pots to survive without resist set.
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Post by Undyne on Mar 23, 2018 14:53:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure asobimo is doing this for fair play. So every Jobs can get in at Party's. So removing the top two most used classes survival is the solution as they increase the other classes solo ability? On top of dropping their damage as well? Now for higher level boss farms its either find a pt with a tank or go do something else(talking about lv 280 bosses as that's about as far as I go solo anyway). Edit: and as a newb wizard with crap gear I didn't make it past kleya alone, with roughly 60 vit which, at the time was alot
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Post by Rocketpower on Mar 23, 2018 14:55:40 GMT
Maybe some expert that his/her first char is sniper or assasins still remember how hard playing as sin & snip at early level because they almost had no defensive skill. Indeed, they got survival skill but at high level. Also, mins almost had no defensive skill .-. Wizard class still better, they had drain & reflect at early level. As long I use correct gear and had enough level, soloing mq as wizard until matadora is possible even with crap gear. Meanwhile sniper & assasins only relies at pots to survive without resist set. At 2016 January I level my sin at Megaroches/Nommar "-" and I was Lv.270ish since yards can kill me with 1hit, and Even with Shadow walk I always die when I go for MQ if the mobs are 1+ level higher than me "-", Snipers can still can Pt when they turn lv.240 but Assassin don't get any Pt at Leveling........and Backstab is MP eater.. 20backstab= 8-10pots or sit
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Post by Rocketpower on Mar 23, 2018 15:01:46 GMT
I'm pretty sure asobimo is doing this for fair play. So every Jobs can get in at Party's. So removing the top two most used classes survival is the solution as they increase the other classes solo ability? On top of dropping their damage as well? Now for higher level boss farms its either find a pt with a tank or go do something else(talking about lv 280 bosses as that's about as far as I go solo anyway). Edit: and as a newb wizard with crap gear I didn't make it past kleya alone, with roughly 60 vit which, at the time was alot You can still Solo with resist set, I have seen a Hw soloing Wizard(No Agi build) And HW dmg is OP thats just being balance and Ninjas can still deal High damages Asobimo is just taking their Tank capability.
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Post by Undyne on Mar 23, 2018 15:05:32 GMT
I just honestly don't see how they can call it balancing when they take probably the second worst class survival wise and remove what little it had, forcing it into pts more often than it already was while making it harder to find a pt. Im fine with less damage, I don't want this be forced into parties though. And at this point what would be the advantage of having a hw? Ench has better dps, necro has better survival. All hw has is aoe, which is literally useless in bosses
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 23, 2018 15:11:50 GMT
Undyne why you so confident that hw is solo class? I think most of us is agree that hw is not solo class (at least for solo boss battle) even before skill adjusment. I think asobimo aware with resist set gear that makes all class can solo. So they do adjusment to return class role. I mean, why ppl force hw & sk as tank? They are insane dps class. Forcing them to be tank is waste and make other class look useless in new player view.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 23, 2018 15:13:51 GMT
Ench dps still lower than sin & zero in some boss. Ench need a looooot of preparation before do damage. It takes around 5-8 sec before they can do 400k-800k per single hit.
No matter how good my ench, I still cant beat hw in term solo farm almas. Both hw & ench has its own pros & cons.
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Post by ♪Sumire on Mar 23, 2018 15:14:30 GMT
I'm pretty sure asobimo is doing this for fair play. So every Jobs can get in at Party's. So removing the top two most used classes survival is the solution as they increase the other classes solo ability? On top of dropping their damage as well? Now for higher level boss farms its either find a pt with a tank or go do something else(talking about lv 280 bosses as that's about as far as I go solo anyway). Edit: and as a newb wizard with crap gear I didn't make it past kleya alone, with roughly 60 vit which, at the time was alot ---well its also superbly unfair that they cut alchemist dot dmg --- its not even a very common job ---- we dont benefit much dmg wise on a full pt -- sure we will get a few k worth but its not even noticeable --- and its not very wise to spam blizzard cause it eats catalyst very fast ,, not sure how much dmg increase applied on curse rain yet so it might change my opinion now back to hw --- not sure what you guys means when u said crap gears --- better give an example or a list of what u consider as crap gear cause i myself as a hw managed to survive upto lvl 240--using gears starting from priest staff --archbishop hp20%--slowly changed to barotas ns until barotas s hp20%, iron armor --whch i slowly upgraded to final up slotted with sofys , clematis hp20% and a warp stone figurine -- which is considered crap wtih todays standards
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 23, 2018 15:18:08 GMT
♪Sumire crap gear that I means are: •General wand ns •Iron armor clean •monty barret ns •Idr spec Vit around 70-90 Back then, resist set isnt viable. I got hard time at matadora, but I can solo elban mq except altadora
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Post by Undyne on Mar 23, 2018 15:19:51 GMT
They WERE insane DPS classes. Testing SK on JP servers, first hit did 1m. That may sound good, but that's all 2s gear with spellboost. SK in eng can do that as is with op 1s gear. The advantage hw has over SK was more damage the longer the battle went on, which rip that now.
I don't think hw is a solo class, I haven't said I think its a solo class. I'm annoyed because every other class in the game has NATURAL solo ability, they can solo to some degree without the need for a resistance set. My monk did the entire mq in 3 days using an ira, and you're going to tell me hw needed a survival nerf? I did the entire mq as a poorly geared m blade such with no problem at all. Paladin flew through mq, as did bishop. Hw was honestly the hardest time I've ever had solo, at early levels and latest levels. I've played every class to minimum level 280, and hw was still the hardest. THAT is why I'm mad at the mirage/evasion nerf
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